The Daily Mail writes about (a HFP reader?) buying Royal Mint coins for Avios and trying to cash them in!

Well, I never expected this story to reach the hallowed pages of the Daily Mail, but there you go!  I’m a bit annoyed that I didn’t get a mention :-)

I have, a couple of times, mentioned that it is possible to buy face value commemorative coins from the Royal Mint using a credit card.  I have never made a big deal of this because:

the Royal Mint doesn’t take American Express, so it was only really worthwhile if you had a ‘no longer available to new customers’ Visa or MasterCard such as the BMI Diamond Club one which pays 2.5 Avios per £1

you were 100% dependant on finding a willing bank if you wanted to pay in the coins.  It was never totally clear what the legal position was.

We now know, thanks to the Daily Mail, what the legal position is!

Royal Mint

You should read the article in full, but here are some extracts:

The reader, who wishes to be known simply has James, would buy high value commemorative coins from the Royal Mint in bulk to gain air miles on his credit card before cashing them in at the bank.

However, the Royal Mint appears to have cottoned onto his system by writing to banks and telling them not to accept the coins, which are deemed ‘legal tender’.

and

James said: ‘I am someone who has a bit of an addiction to frequent flier miles. I’ve done various things over the years to generate more miles – and the only way to generate such things is by spending on a credit card.

and

The coins, such as the £100 ‘face value’ Buckingham Palace coin issued last year are limited edition and are described by Royal Mint as legal tender. They also have a 14 day returns policy. 

But its terms and conditions section on the website describes legal tender as having ‘a very narrow and technical meaning in the settlement of debts.’

It adds: ‘In practice this means that although the face-value UK coins in denominations of £5, £20, £50 and £100 are approved as legal tender, they have been designed as limited edition collectables or gifts and will not be entering general circulation.

‘As such, UK shops and banks are not obliged to accept them in return for goods and services.’

and

A recent letter sent to a bank branch from the Royal Mint, published below, has told staff to no longer accept coins over the counter and that customers should be referred to them instead.

and

James adds that when he entered his local HSBC branch, as he usually would to cash them in, the bank accepted the deposit. This is Money has seen the deposit slip.

The branch manager then chased after him as he was leaving the branch and advised that it could no longer accept them.

It is a great story but, to avoid copyright issues, I recommend you head over to the Daily Mail site and read it in full for yourself.

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Comments

  1. I’m not sure why they would mention you anyway, but I’m more perplexed over why you’d want to be mentioned in such a vile piece of trash at all!

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      A quick search turns up LH/LX for £10-£20 more as well.

  3. Well I know of a method in which I can spend on an Amex card and return the same high value item on another Amex card and its totally legal and allowed by the retailer as I have been doing it for years. I was tempted to mention it on this site but when loud mouth idiots like to publicise it to the press like the Royal Mint, I think no, forget it, I’ll just keep it to myself.

    • Thanks for sharing that with us. Very useful.

    • While it’s totally legal, I doubt it’s allowed by the retailer. It will be an oversight by an indifferent or unknowledgable employee (even if that employee is a manager) – unless this is a small local firm?

      And am I missing something? You seem to have described the method you say you’re not going to describe?

      • No, its a company policy that you can use any Amex to return things to. Not a single employee or an oversight. All their branches allow. Saying any more will give the game away and I’ve leant now to keep my mouth shut after that idiot who went and boasted to the press (probably after being on this site) and explaining how he returns all these Royal Mint coins to the bank.

        Well, now hopefully he’s truly shafted since the rule change.