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Iberia drops Amex, gives STATUS with its new credit card – BA to follow?

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I recently wrote this l-o-n-g article on how I saw the future of airline credit cards in a world of 0.3% interchange fees.  In summary, I expected to see higher fees, lower miles earning but better benefits – I even speculated that airline status as a card benefit may be on the way.

Three months later, Iberia has done it.

Before I come on to that, let’s look back.  In early 2015, American Express held an investor day in New York which I covered here.  At that event, it was announcing a new IAG contract.  This would include launching an Iberia American Express card, to replace the existing Amex / Visa combination. It never happened.

Two year later, Iberia seems to have dumped American Express.  Whatever deal was signed appears to have been torn up.  This is not surprising, since co-brand Amex cards make little sense with a 0.3% interchange fee.  An airline is better off partnering with Visa or Mastercard because they have far better acceptance in stores and have the same 0.3% interchange fee.

The new Iberia cards are the way forward

It is rare that Iberia shows you the future, to be honest.  They have delivered here though.

Iberia has launched a new premium credit card called Iberia Icon.  It is ONLY available as a Visa.  Goodbye American Express.

It will earn 0.5 Avios per €1 spent.  This isn’t huge, but is probably the maximum that can be funded given 0.3% interchange fees.

There is a fee of €90 per year, waived in year one.

There is a sign-up bonus of 15,000 Avios which is very generous for a €90 fee card.  You get an extra 4,000 Avios if you add a supplementary card.

Full details are on this website, in Spanish.

But here is the key ….

New cardholders receive Iberia Plus Plata status – equivalent to British Airways Bronze status or oneworld Ruby status – immediately when they sign up.

After the first year, you will keep your status as long as you spend €9,000 per year, of which €100 must be on iberia.com.

Iberia Plus Plata / oneworld Ruby status doesn’t give you lounge access.  When flying BA, however, you would get access to business class check-in desks, priority boarding, 25% bonus Avios on your flights and free seat selection seven days before departure.  Not bad for €90 per year.

There are some other small benefits too – Avis Preferred Plus status, which comes with free car upgrade and free additional driver, and access to the VISA Hotels Luxury Collection.

Will British Airways follow?

These Iberia changes are a very surprising development.  Will British Airways follow?  It’s possible.

The flow chart is simple:

As I reported here, Amex recently lost what is (almost) its final appeal against co-branded credit cards being included in the 0.3% interchange fee cap imposed on Visa and Mastercard.   Only Amex own-brand cards can now charge shops high fees.

Are the BA Amex cards now loss making for Amex?  At best, on the free card, they are paying Avios 0.75p for Avios when you spend £1, yet only receiving 0.3p in pseudo-interchange fees (topped up by IT charges and interest payments and FX fees, knocked down by bad debts and admin costs).

If BA switched to Visa or Mastercard, there would be the same cut of interchange fees to play with BUT the cards could be used in far more places, increasing overall billings.

The BA Amex cards currently generate over £1 billion per month in billings.  That should mean a £10m+ monthly income stream to Avios, but presumably a far smaller – following the recent EU ruling – stream of profit into Amex.  Something has to give.

Conclusion

It will be fascinating to see how this plays out.

The Iberia card is pretty much exactly what I predicted would happen given the new market dynamics.

The questions for HfP readers are these:

Would you give up your free BA Amex with 1 Avios per £1 for a BA Visa paying 0.5 Avios per £1, with a £75 fee, but coming with BA Bronze status?

Would you give up your BA Premium Plus Amex with 1.5 Avios per £1 for a BA Visa paying, say, 0.75 Avios per £1, costing £195, but still coming with a 2-4-1 voucher and adding BA Bronze status?

Would you take out a new BA Elite Visa costing £495 but coming with 1 Avios per £1, a 2-4-1 voucher and giving BA Silver status?

None of these cards currently exist, of course. I made up the commercial details – I don’t have any inside information – but I reckon they are not far from where we will end up in a few years.


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Comments (138)

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  • W says:

    Now we are gloriously taking ourselves out of the EU to rule the waves again, surely Amex can make a pile of wonga on our money again?

    • Alex W says:

      The default position as I understand is that all EU law becomes UK law. So we have to live with the interchange fee cap.

      • W says:

        That was the position 2-3 weeks ago. I agree that in all likelihood rules will be replicated but a bit of an unknown. Could be a boon for Amex though obviously UK market isn’t massive.

    • Andrew (@andrewseftel) says:

      I assure you that retailers are better at lobbying than credit card issuers.

  • Ian says:

    What I would love to see and would happily trade for a much lower avios earning rate is BA TPs linked to spend. Say 1 TP per £50 spent (200 for £10,000).

    I travel alone so have no real value in the 2 for 1 personally. I have 2 of these vouchers sat in my BAEC account. I’d much rather have an upgrade voucher like Lloyds offer. One that allows upgrade to First would be perfect!

    But in summary I’d really like to see on going benefits for large spend and for me TPs is the way to go.

  • Carl says:

    I wouldn’t pay a £75 fee for a card with Bronze status and such a low earnings rate. Bronze is fairly useless as it is and if the number of Bronze status holders increased substantially through the credit card offering it would further devalue the one useful benefit of booking seats seven days in advance.

    In terms of whether I’d “give up” my BAPP for either of the premium Visa offerings you’ve suggested, the answer is an emphatic no. Would I accept the middle version if the existing BAPP was withdrawn? Probably. However, once I’d earned the 2-4-1 I would move all of my spending to my HSBC World Elite Card to get a better earnings rate. If spending 20k to 30k on the card then progressed you to silver status I’d probably accept the lower earnings rate and keep spending on the card.

    I think the cards will be more popular if BA gives 300 TPs rather than just Bronze status. There must be a reasonable overlap between people who earn BA status anyway and those who put large spends through the BAPP card. If status is awarded instead of TPs, the rewards package will be less valuable to the people who they most want to take up the card.

  • PointsPointsPoints says:

    Is this available to UK residents?

  • Dev says:

    Rob – are you able to enlighten us as to how the AA MBNA card can offer 1.25 miles per £1 spent on a visa for £75 per year? I would happily ditch the Amex for a visa but not for 0.75 Avi is per £1 spent.

    • Rob says:

      My best guess is that they are using your £75 to buy those miles, over and above the interchange fee. If the average cardholder charges £10k per year it would work. If they are charging £25k on average it won’t.

      • Sundar says:

        I thought that co-branded credit card issuers like Chase, Citi (in US) get avios pennies on the dollar and hence are able to issue those in large bulks (50k signups etc) while recouping from any over-running balance interest, fees (as well as annual fees).
        Potentially, could this work out that way ? Many winners along the way.
        Visa-spend based status with a starting bronze is definitely a positive step in the right direction. I would be willing to go for it upto £75. Anything beyond that, I may not get value out of the bronze.
        Likewise a duo pack of visa cards, one for bronze and one for silver (with a higher fee) would be more interesting.
        And ofcourse, MasterCard and Visa competing with each other with different offers for the share of Amex would be even more beneficial for us 🙂
        Wishes were horses and all…

        • Rob says:

          No-one is getting Avios for less than 0.75p – 1p. Not Amex, not Tesco, not Chase.

          If you order those wine bundles in the other article, Avios is paying Laithwaites 0.55p. If you book a hotel via the Avios hotel booking portal, the booking site gets 0.58p per point.

          If you’re running a shop where you are buying your stock for 55p, you won’t be selling it for less than 75p or £1 given that you have to cover your overheads (and, in Avios’ case, make a 20% profit margin).

  • Alexey says:

    I value 2-4-1 voucher at about 200 gbp , that what I really get of it , there might be better redemption opportunities but I don’t see opportunity for myself for using it .

    So currently I see card fee for premium ba amex ofset by voucher and 1.5 see as profit

    I don’t need silver as have HSBC card for lounges.

    So don’t see any suitable replacement in 3 options and would probably can only take new card for one year only if there would be any sign up bonus

  • pauldb says:

    Iberia haven’t entirely dumped Amex: Spaniards can still of course transfer MR points to IB+ or BAEC. This demonstrates the complex dynamics from Amex’s perspective too. In some ways they are better off trying to cross-sell their IB-card customers on to a MR card, than to keep them on as a 0.3% earning co-brand customer. In fact, with lower Amex acceptance in Spain, the correct strategy for a higher-value, avios-hungry consumer is to put €9k on the new visa and all your Amex spend on a Gold/Plat card. If you already have Plata, there’s less appeal to the visa. Amex just need to get their marketing right to convey that message.
    I stick with my suggestion that the most valuable outcome for BA/Amex in the UK is some sort of premium offer tagged on to the MR conversion. The only thing the falls foul of the EU rules if the BA logo on the card. How about a 241 and a 50% conversion bonus on a Plat card if you convert 10k MR points to BAEC. BA can even promote the card.

  • Dan says:

    Presumably the Iberia card is available for UK customers? Just need to translate the application page!

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