No BA On Business points if you don’t have a VAT number – the change they never told you about

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• oyster says:

  3 Jul3 July 08:20

  I agree with those who pin the blame on this to a ‘corporate’ assumption/bias in Waterside.
  I’d recommend a multi-signatory letter to the CEO’s office cc’ing Business Traveller magazine. It’ll soon get quietly dropped.

  • daniel says:

    3 Jul3 July 08:59

    very good idea oyster! I’m certainly in the multi-signatory letter

    • bee says:

      6 Jul6 July 12:07

      Hear hear – I’m in too!

• Andi says:

  3 Jul3 July 09:45

  There is probably an element of VAT which BA are quite correclty trying to reclaim. If they have had a VAT inspection HMRC have probably made it clear to BA that they need to provide the customers VAT number. So this change has probably come from HMRC winning an argument with BA..

  Charities and many Social Enteprises are not businesses and as a result mange to avoid contributing to various taxes such as business rates. Have a look down any high street in the UK and count the number of “charity” shops avoiding their taxes. So why should they benefit from these business to businees transactions with BA?

  Businesses are NOT exempt from VAT as previous posters suggested but should be declaring their VAT inputs at 0%.

  It is very easy to register for VAT as a sole proprietor and any savvy individual should be doing it regardless of their income to get 20% back on their purchases. Completing a VAT return is no more complicated than keeping an awardwallet account up to date.

  • Nick says:

    3 Jul3 July 09:59

    “Businesses are NOT exempt from VAT as previous posters suggested but should be declaring their VAT inputs at 0%.”

    I believe you’re wrong (in some cases). My business (as per 1st post above) is exempt, since all of the goods & services it sells are exempt. The business is therefore exempt and is unable to register for VAT. This also means that it can’t reclaim any VAT on business purchases or expenses.

  • Rob says:

    3 Jul3 July 23:30

    I’m sorry but that’s not true on so many levels ! Small businesses can choose whether to register for VAT or not – if the do register they can claim back the VAT they pay but must add VAT to their final prices.

    If they choose not to register they don’t have to add VAT to their final prices (and hence may be cheaper than larger companies they compete with) but are unable to reclaim VAT on the things they buy. It is there, perfectly legitimate, choice whether to register or not.

    And as for your point about charities “avoiding” their taxes – they are not. It is true that the law says they don’t have to pay business rates but to categorising that as “avoiding taxes” is wrong – unless everyone who invests in an ISA or pays pension contributions gross is avoiding their taxes.

    • Nick says:

      4 Jul4 July 07:06

      “Small businesses can choose whether to register for VAT or not – if the do register they can claim back the VAT they pay but must add VAT to their final prices.”

      I suggest you read the official HMRC guidance on VAT exempt companies.

      “Some goods and services are exempt from VAT. If all of the goods and services you sell are exempt, your business is exempt and you won’t be able to register for VAT. This means you can’t reclaim any VAT on your business purchases or expenses.”

      https://www.gov.uk/vat-exemption-and-partial-exemption

      There are some limited exceptions to this, such as for suppliers of finance or insurance services or of investment gold to customers in countries outside the EC, when you may register on a voluntary basis, in order to claim back any input tax you have paid in respect of those specified supplies. You are also able to recover input tax where your supply consists of insurance and financial services that are directly linked to the export of goods from within the EC to outside the EC.

      My company is NOT permitted to register for VAT.

• Colin JE says:

  3 Jul3 July 09:54

  I’m all for complaining but let’s take it a bit further. Why should businesses without limited company status be excluded. I have more than enough turnover to require VAT registration but chose not to be a limited company but stay as self-employed trading as a name. But a few weeks after registering on On Business I was kicked out by their ‘audit’ team. Result? I take all my transatlantic flights with Virgin, who don’t have that requirement for their Flying Company corporate scheme. Just a more sensible minimum number of miles each year for the business.

  Are BA trying to p*** off both leisure and corporate travellers at the moment?

  • Camille says:

    3 Jul3 July 15:56

    Colin, I’m surprised you even managed to register!

    Our business is run as a partnership (not an LLP) and we were not able to register as we do not have a company number, even though we do have a VAT number.

    I know many solicitors who run their practices as partnerships, so it appears they would be excluded also. Same applies for many architects, dentists, etc,.

    Utterly barmy.

• ts77 says:

  3 Jul3 July 10:11

  Whilst I can see the annoyance in this, has anyone who legitimately has a non registered VAT company spoken directly to OB to see what they’ll do?

  I have always found them to be very helpful in the past.

  • Rob says:

    3 Jul3 July 11:06

    The priest who got in touch with me had done this. They were unwilling to help. If they won’t help a priest who runs a medical charity I don’t think you’ll be getting far.

• Swissy says:

  3 Jul3 July 10:28

  “Businesses are NOT exempt from VAT as previous posters suggested but should be declaring their VAT inputs at 0%.”

  Certainly wrong.
  I own a financial services company and VAT is not a requirement.
  For example , VAT is not chargeable on stock dealing commission .

• Jo says:

  3 Jul3 July 13:55

  Our business is not VAT registered. I’ve done a dummy (new) booking for return flights LHR to HKG departing later this year. The booking does say On Business points are available.

  • Rob says:

    3 Jul3 July 14:24

    Doesn’t mean you will get them though!

• Maciek says:

  9 Jul9 July 14:24

  I’ve pasted below my response to flyertalk thread on OB changes.

  So I’ve received the following email a couple of weeks back:
  “Thank you for enrolling onto the British Airways On Business loyalty programme.

  To protect your On Business account British Airways regularly audit and check your details, and as part of this safety procedure we do ask that you provide us with the correct VAT number when you join our programme. (Please see the On Business Terms & Conditions.) However the VAT number you have provided is incorrect.

  To begin your membership, can you please advise me of your correct VAT number. As your company address is in the UK you must have a UK VAT number to hold an On Business account.

  If you do not send an email with your correct VAT number, British Airways reserve the right to close your account after 14 days.

  If you require assistance, please contact the On Business Service Centre on 0344 493 0748.
  If you would like to contact me again about this case please click on this link:
  http://www.ba.com/your case”
  I have politely responded saying that my company is not VAT registered. I’ve got the following back:
  “Thank you for your reply regarding your On Business Account.

  I am sorry but the On Business Programme requires a valid VAT number to be able to register for an account.

  As you have not provided me with the requested information, I am very sorry to say that your company will not be able to hold an On Business Account and you account has been closed.
  If you would like to contact me again about this case please click on this link:
  http://www.ba.com/your case”
  I’ve pointed out the T&C don’t mention VAT number requirement. To be fair to BA, they are free to pick and choose the companies they want to deal with under point 3.4 “Membership is offered at Our discretion and We may refuse Membership to any applicant.”. This however is a poor show (again). The final response was:
  “Thank you for your reply about the On Business programme.

  I am sorry you cannot register for an On Business account, as you do not have a VAT number.
  The terms and conditions we have are global, but a VAT number is specified in the Enrolment form as a mandatory field.

  If you wish to raise this as a complaint please use the customer relations webform found on ba.com
  If you would like to contact me again about this case please click on this link:
  http://www.ba.com/your case”

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