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Curve – the radical new payment card that lets you use Amex ANYWHERE

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(EDIT:  Curve has changed a lot since this article was published.  Please do not rely on the information here.  Instead, please click here to read our detailed 2020 Curve review, which includes a link for a free £10 credit when you sign up.)

The Curve card, launched yesterday into public beta, is a radical new sort of payment card.  It takes some of the best features of Supercard (which has still not launched publicly) and adds a few new twists which are bound to appeal to the Head for Points loyalty credit card readership.

Most relevant for our market, it allows you to pay for anything where a Mastercard is accepted and have it recharged – as a purchase – to an American Express card.

Even cash withdrawals are recharged, as a purchase, to your Amex.  I have been testing the card for a few days and I can confirm that this works perfectly.

Let me repeat this bit – you can buy something using the Curve card at a retailer which only accepts Mastercard, or even make a cash withdrawal at an ATM, and it will be re-charged to your American Express card (or a Visa or Mastercard) as a purchase.  It will earn miles, points or cashback and count towards any sign-up bonus.  It also works abroad, even on overseas cash withdrawals.

You must have an iOS smartphone to join up.  Android will follow later in the year but, for now, you will be missing out – sorry.  An iPad would also work – the only purpose of the app is to load up details of your other credit and charge cards and to check your transactions.

Curve is required to target the small business market rather than the personal market, although their description of “bliss for entrepreneurs, freelancers and small business owners” is a very broad one.

This is how it works:

You pay a £35 one-off fee and receive a rather snazzy Mastercard in the post

This is offset by a £10 sign-up credit if you use my refer a friend link

You download the Curve card app to your iOS device

You link as many other Visa, Mastercard and American Express cards as you wish to the app

You select which card you want to use for your next transaction

You can then use your Curve card in shops or in cash machines.  The transaction shows in the app and is recharged to your underlying card as a purchase.

Last Friday, for example, I withdrew some Euros from an ATM at Frankfurt Airport using my Curve card.  The transaction is already showing, as a purchase with Avios earned, on my BA Amex statement.

Can I use the card everywhere?

Not quite.

Curve cannot be used for “gambling transactions, dating / escort services, massage parlours, automated fuel pumps and direct marketing – inbound telesales”.

You are limited to transactions which can be processed using a prepaid Mastercard.  I tried to pay my Amex bill with it, as a test, and it failed.

It is not clear what happens if you use the card as security at a hotel or for car hire rental, as a prepaid Mastercard is normally blocked in those circumstances.

I am assuming that it does work OK as a debit card (and thus, for example, avoiding the £5 British Airways credit card fee) but I haven’t tested it yet.

What about Section 75 refund protection?

To quote from their website:

Similarly to PayPal [….] 3rd party purchases, using Curve is not a direct purchase from the user’s original card, so the purchases are not covered by Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act.

However Curve users are protected by Mastercard chargeback rights where refunds can be provided if goods are damaged, not as described, or the merchant has ceased trading.

What are the fees?

The Curve card is not entirely free, but you may find that you can avoid their fees depending on how you use your card.

Purchases made in the UK – FREE.  Remember that Curve means that you can effectively use American Express EVERYWHERE that a prepaid Mastercard would be accepted.

Purchases made outside the UK – 1% fee.  This compares with the standard 3% fee on 99% of UK credit and debit cards.

Cash machine withdrawals in the UK – FREE.  Yes, you can withdraw cash from a UK ATM and will appear on your Amex or Mastercard as a purchase, earning you miles and points and counting towards any sign-up spend target

Cash machine withdrawals outside the UK – £2 fee plus 1% FX fee.  If the ATM itself charges a fee, as often happens in the USA and some other countries, this will obviously be added on.

How does this compare to using a card with no FX fees?

In terms of making purchases abroad, you will – purely in terms of £ charged to your card – still get a better deal with the Post Office Platinum Money (free, review) or Lloyds Avios Rewards (£24, review) cards.  This is because Curve adds a 1% FX fee which those two cards have no FX fee at all.

However, if you want to put your spending onto a card other than the Post Office or Lloyds Avios then it is a no-brainer to use Curve abroad.  For working towards your BA Amex 2-4-1, for example, you will save 2% on every overseas transaction when you use Curve instead of paying directly with the BA Amex.

You also need to remember that Amex acceptance is rare in many European holiday areas and Curve is the only route to generate Amex spend from these transactions.

Overseas cash withdrawals will be a better deal on Curve because the withdrawal will be treated as a purchase and thus earn miles.  You will also avoid the cash advance fee and daily interest levied by Lloyds or the Post Office.  Halifax Clarity has no cash advance fees abroad but still charges daily interest.

Should I use the Curve card for all of my UK ATM withdrawals?

Absolutely.  Withdraw £100 in cash using Curve and it will go through your American Express or other linked card as a £100 purchase.  This will earn you, on a BA Amex, Avios points plus count towards your BA 2-4-1.

Note that ‘fair usage restrictions apply’.  I suspect that anyone withdrawing more than a couple of hundred pounds a week may find their card blocked.

How does Curve make money?

As the card is aimed at business users, the Curve card is not impacted by the EU cap on interchange fees.  There are also plans to offer additional services to users in the future.

What is the difference between the £35 and £75 Curve cards?

They seem to have screwed this up, to be honest.  There are two versions of the Curve card, a blue one and a black one.  The only difference is that the black one, which costs £40 more (a one-off fee, not annual) will apparently earn double rewards in the Curve loyalty programme.  As that programme has not yet been launched, however, it is impossible to know if you’d get £40 of value from it!

In terms of what the card does and the fees you pay to use it, both are identical.  The £35 version should do the job.

As a temporary offer, you will receive a free Tumi leather card case, worth £60, when applying for the £75 version.

Remember that you get £10 back as a credit when you sign up via my link, or any other refer a friend link.

Who is behind Curve?

The company is an independent start-up, but primarily funded by the backers of TransferWise.

What have I learned from the beta?

As I mentioned, I have had the card for the past few days and have been trying it out.

My biggest issue is that the app does not show the original foreign currency value of overseas transactions.  All you see is the £ equivalent.  I am told that this will be added to the next release but it seems to be a major oversight.

There is also an issue with how American Express transactions appear on your card statement.  Mastercard and Visa purchases made using Curve, as with Supercard, show on your statements using part of the original descriptor so you can still identify what a particular payment was for.

Amex transactions simply show on your statement as ‘Curve London’.  To work out what each transaction represents, you need to open the Curve card app – which shows the original description, eg WH Smith Heathrow – and manually match up transaction values.

I should make clear that every transaction (purchase and ATM withdrawal) I have used it for over the last 5 days in the UK, Germany and Austria has gone through without a problem.

How do I join Curve?

You can sign up here.  This link includes my referral code so you receive £10 credit.

(If you decide to sign up via the app, please add my referral code when prompted of oqb4J)

Remember that the card is aimed at “entrepreneurs, freelancers and small business owners” and you will be asked to say that you fall into one of these boxes.

Only 10,000 applications are being accepted at this stage – I suspect the HfP community will account for a fair % of these.  You will not receive your card until April.

Remember that you must have an iOS smartphone or an iPad to take part and that there is a £35 one-off fee.

Curve is still in beta mode for the next few weeks and, as I mentioned above, the app is still missing some of the functionality which it advertises.  This is a very interesting product however and I’m sure those HfP readers who qualify to get one can see the value in getting one when it comes to maximising their miles and points.

The application page is here.  If you use the app to apply instead of a desktop, please add my referral code of oqb4J.

Thanks to my resident credit card expert Andrew Seftel (@andrewseftel) for his help with this article.  The Curve card links in this article include my refer-a-friend code, which means that you will receive a £10 sign-up credit.


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Comments (396)

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  • Andi says:

    ordered one. this is great for me as i have a Tescos Mastercard i have permanently which houses some small but regular payments while churning other cards, thus meaning i dont have to constantly reset up recurring payments on new cards, although i dont get much use from the Points there days

    hang on… i can set up recurring payments cant i?

    also the fair use thing might get tested quite early on, when on holiday for example, when im gonna spend a lot of cash here and there. i guess i’ll just have to be more aware of what I’m doing

  • Matt says:

    Hopefully all the Amex/ATM withdrawals don’t stop working before an Android version comes out!

  • KK says:

    Do you know when the curve cards realistically arrive in the post by? Its says March….on the application.

    Only reason keen to know, is that i have a spend target to hit for my SPG card by 10 March the latest (£2000 in 3 months), so to determine if its worth hanging on till then or go for the kill on the Amex TC before that option shuts down.

    Any advice?

    • JamesW says:

      Where would you spend £2,000 in non Amex accepting places?

      • Tom H says:

        Exactly the same as me, have mine and the wife’s SPG cards to hit the 2k on each. What is the most amount of TC’s people have purchased and managed to bank?

      • KK says:

        Paying council tax bill, utilities, etc

        • Genghis says:

          Got a new boiler and heating system before xmas. The plumbers took credit card but not Amex. Missed out on 6k avios and hitting my 241 on BAPP a lot sooner…

  • Melvin says:

    I am sorry if the following question has already been answered but there are a lot of posts here.

    If Curve is treated as a prepaid card then does an application make a mark on your credit score?

    Background: Next month I will be cancelling my IHG Premium and applying for The Virgin Black at the same time and I don’t want to jeopardise the Virgin application. My credit score (Experian) is 999 currently.

  • Mr Cinnamon says:

    From the terms:
    “Your Account is a Business Account. Unless otherwise agreed,
    you may hold not more than one Business Account. Holders of certain Business Accounts
    may be required to upgrade their accounts (which may include providing further
    information to Curve) in order to use all of the current functionality available. By opening a
    Business Account and accepting the terms as outlined in this Agreement, you attest that
    you are not establishing the Account for personal, family, or household purposes, and its
    use by you must be limited to business expenses. You agree that your Account comprises
    the Payment Account and the Reserve Account. The Curve Card attached to your Account is
    a ‘Commercial Card’ as defined by the EU Multilateral Interchange Fee Regulation therefore
    its use by you must be limited to business expenses as set out above.”.

    I am not a lawyer but this all seems very clear. Do those applying who do not have a business or those who do but use the card for non-business purchases not lay themselves open to fraud charges or some other misdemeanor?

    Whilst Curve may “not care” maybe some other authority will and act on this?

    • JamesW says:

      Fraud? Bit strong.

      My personal opinion (and I’m not a lawyer either) is that Curve are operating these T&C’s for the reasons given in Raffles article, “As the card is aimed at business users, the Curve card is not impacted by the EU cap on interchange fees. There are also plans to offer additional services to users in the future.” so this is how Curve are making their money.

      By having these T&C’s in place, they are no doubt satisfying some legal criteria somewhere. they are effectively saying that should they choose to, they will ask you for evidence that you are a business user. Who knows what that will be but probably proof of a company, sole trader, UTR number, whatever. The reality is that they rely on people actually using the card for personal expenditure, so they can charge their fees to the merchant, pay Amex or Visa or whoever their slice and keep the balance.

      So, I suppose should “someone” of “some organisation” choose to audit Curve to ensure their customers are playing by the rules, Curve have their arses covered with their T&C’s and at worse for them, they can ask their customers to prove their expenditure is for business purposes and if they can’t, they can close their account and look like they are doing their bit, in the eyes of the aforementioned “someone” from “some organisation”

      And the worst that can happen to you, the end user? Your account gets closed. Hardly 10 years in the salt mines is it.

      • Andrew says:

        Worst case is you could face criminal charges. I admit that’s vanishingly unlikely but the risk is there. I also wouldn’t say that Curve are only trying to cover their backs. Imagine, as many people think, that the business model is unviable and the company go bust owing a large amount of money. It would be very easy to profile all of their customers to identify suspicious, personal accounts and to then persue them for some sort of recompense.

        If I was a business owner I wouldn’t hesitate to get the card, make the occasional personal charge and then play dumb if I was ever questioned. As just a regular employee working for someone else though I draw the line at knowingly misrenpresenting myself as not being so.

        • JamesW says:

          You’ll have to explain to me how you could be pursued for the money. I can’t ever see that happening.

        • Mr Dee says:

          Not obeying terms and conditions for a product from a private company hardly seems criminal and would be a civil matter.

          I would not expect to be questioned whether a transaction was personal or not, in fact if this started becoming their practise I would close the account as I am not being told what I can and can’t purchase or justify myself to a random card company.

          • Andrew says:

            Mortgage fraud is well documented and is a criminal offence. Given the misrepresentation here in claiming to be self-employed when not this could fall under the same umbrella.

            If the company goes to the wall you could imagine some desperate creditors asking customer to prove that the £100,000 (the max limit mentioned in their T&Cs) cash they removed from an ATM on an AMEX card costing them a grand or two in fees was for genuine business expenses

          • James says:

            Jesus, I don’t think I could possibly imagine a more far fetched sounding scenario. Monsters under the bed and all that. Mortgage fraud is likely to be taken far far more seriously than anything you could attempt through manufactured spend, because you are deceiving to attempt to secure a loan potentially worth hundreds of thousands. Saying you’re self employed when you’re not, actually managing to withdraw £100,000 in cash with Curve blocking you, Curve going bust, the administrators coming in and looking to take consumers to court over some fees when there aren’t actually any fees stated in the terms for ATM withdrawals, spending time and money to chase a few grand? Yeah. Again, I cannot see this ever, ever happening.

  • Chris C says:

    So does this mean that in theory now Tax payments to HMRC can be made with Curve and credited to AMEX?

    • BLT says:

      Yes, but in my past experience a prepaid M/C will incur the 1.5% credit card charge

    • Rob says:

      No-one has tried it yet but it should work, albeit I reckon you’ll be paying the 1.5% credit card fee.

  • Oly says:

    Anyone tried to verify their BA amex through the app? It says the card issuer needs extra security checks so I hit next and then it just hangs

    • Mrs Fox says:

      Worked for me. (As far as I can tell.)

    • Stron says:

      Yes – had the same problem – managed to register my Gold amex and Lloyds Premium Amex without issue though – will try again between now and the Curve card arriving.

      • Stron says:

        UPDATE: Just tried it again and managed to verify my BA PP Amex, guess it was just a glitch this morning

  • David says:

    Can anyone clarify what this is all about re mobile phones and verification codes? I signed up online, wasn’t asked for mobile number.

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