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Curve Card’s version of what happened with their American Express partnership

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Following on from our coverage of Curve and its split with American Express, the blog post below was published on the Curve website on Thursday morning.

As few of you will find it there by chance, I thought I would reproduce it here.  I have not edited it or added any commentary.

Curve will pay you £10 for trying it out if you use our link.

“January 31, 2019
Bringing Amex Back to Curve
By Shachar Bialick

You are probably aware that American Express has decided to block our customers from adding their Amex cards to Curve and making top-ups to their e-wallets. Amex has given no good or fair reason for their decision and we believe it to be entirely disproportionate and discriminatory to Curve and our joint customers.

Although Amex cardmembers represent a small percentage of our customers, we believe the decision by Amex to be wrong. We believe consumers should be able to decide how they wish to access their money, and that progress should not be stifled by the whims of giants. So we decided to stand for what we believe in: that real innovation can prevail. Curve is an original and groundbreaking product that gives you, the consumer, greater control over your money and we are convinced that this is worth fighting for.

Before I ask for your support of Curve in its fight for innovation and a level-playing field, let me share how this situation with Amex has come about.

Amex First Comes to Curve

In 2016, when we launched Curve in Beta, we accepted Amex cards as one of our funding options, alongside Visa and Mastercard. We soon found out that Amex did not like this operating model, and were promptly told to remove Amex support from Curve. Back then we were a small startup with limited resources and, though disappointed, we were forced to acquiesce and continue to grow our business without them. This was a time before the game-changing PSD2 came into force and regulations did not forbid Amex from doing so.

Although Amex’s market share of total card payments is less than 10% in the UK, it is a leader in the rewards market. Curve cardholders who also have an Amex card represent a small segment of our customers, but for them, Curve can’t be ‘All Your Cards in One’, and they still need to carry two cards in their wallets. Moreover, the bigger problem these users have is that Amex acceptance in the UK and Europe is low, so they can’t use their Amex as much as they’d like to. All of the above explains why many of these customers asked Curve to bring back support for the Amex network.

PSD2 Introduces a Level-Playing Field

In January 2018, the EU’s PSD2 came into law in the UK under PSR 2017, and turned the payments industry on its head. It opened up the payments market to competition and innovation. In particular, it ensured that companies could access all payment networks (including Amex) on a level-playing field along with every other fee-paying and legitimate payment service provider.

As a consequence of this radical change, Curve applied for a new merchant account with Amex and signed a Merchant Services Agreement on the 23rd of March 2018. The Amex team knew the history with Curve but were very happy to start working with us again. In fact the leadership team at Amex Europe were supportive and engaging and we jointly came up with the traditional top-up (prepaid) model approach that Curve launched this week.

In particular, I personally spoke with Amex’s Head of Merchant Services in Europe, who gave his support and endorsement to our plan, understanding that the top-up model they requested differed markedly from how we operate with other card networks. He was happy to have this distinction.

Aside from having a standard merchant agreement with Amex – allowing Curve to accept Amex cards like any other merchant – Curve never had a formal ‘partnership’ with Amex, nor have we sought such an arrangement.

On the 19th of November, we re-launched Amex to a small group of Curve customers, as we do with any product (‘Closed Beta’). It is important to note that the Closed Beta wasn’t part of an agreed roll-out with Amex, nor was there ever a discussion on needing permission from Amex to roll it out to our customer base. Based on the agreement with Amex from March 2018 and the information we had, Curve could have rolled out Amex support to all its customer base in November – when the MVP was ready. The Closed Beta results were remarkable. Around 500 customers topped-up over £1 million in less than a month and their activity on the Curve platform increased by 25%.

Daily communication with Amex employees was nothing but positive and encouraging throughout our Beta launch. They did express a desire to be involved in our launch communication plans and requested a meeting to align communications prior to our wider launch. The meeting was postponed to early January and then moved again at their request to Monday 21st of January. We continued to push back our main Amex launch accordingly, in order to respect their wishes.

The Meeting on Monday 21st of January

The official reason given for this meeting was to discuss Curve’s PR strategy for the main Amex (‘Open Beta’) launch, knowing that we planned to launch shortly. Instead, to our surprise, the Amex team stated that they were unhappy with the Beta, acting as if it were a joint operation. Amex raised concerns over customer experience without giving more details. This flew in the face of the data we had collected and our direct customer feedback.

To be absolutely clear – this was the first time Amex ever mentioned any uneasiness with the integration, and it was never the case that we required Amex approval for the launch. Curve received written approval to launch Amex support in Curve the moment Amex signed the Merchant Service Agreement.

We reminded Amex that strictly speaking we did not have a partnership but rather a Merchant Service Agreement, and if they wished to terminate it, the contract required Amex to give Curve 180 days’ notice. Moreover, we shared our legal opinion that by doing so they might be in breach of payment regulations and could demonstrate clear anti-competitive behaviour if they prevented Curve from accessing the Amex network – as they allow exactly the same functionality to other merchants, such as Paypal, Upay and Yoyo Wallet.

The meeting finished without Amex giving us any formal notice and we agreed to continue the conversation at their offices at a later date.

Amex Launch vol 2

Our launch was planned for Monday 28th January. With this in mind, we decided to regroup to reflect: what would be best for our customers? Should we delay yet once again to an unspecified date, or launch? We decided to move forward with the launch for several reasons. Our Merchant Services Agreement was perfectly valid and our top-up mechanism was known and agreed-upon with Amex. Moreover, our legal advice told us we were protected by regulations, and Amex were unable to prevent Curve from accessing its network.

The first day of the Amex launch was remarkable. Curve customers, especially those who were already Amex cardholders, gave us positive feedback on social media, and spent more than £450,000 on Curve via Amex in one day.

Then, the bombshell. On Tuesday 29th January at 4.46pm UK time, Amex notified us that they were terminating their Merchant Services Agreement with Curve with immediate effect. With that move, and based on legal advice we received, Amex breached their contract with Curve, failed to give appropriate notice, breached PSR regulations, and demonstrated clear anti-competitive and anti-innovation behaviour. Most importantly, Amex seemed to show a total disregard for its own customers’ interests.

Next Steps and What You Can Do to Support Us

We know that without your help we wouldn’t have achieved the heights we have reached to date. With your interests in mind, and our mission to deliver a truly innovative product, we intend to challenge Amex’s decision. We believe financial freedom is the future and we are prepared to fight for yours. This is not really about Curve or Amex; this is about you. It is about putting the customer at the centre and fostering a level-playing field in the financial space.

To be clear, we are not asking you to slander Amex – we are still trying to understand the reasons behind their actions and hope to reach a commercial resolution. We have already sent a letter to them to reconsider their decision and have given them reasonable time to comply. Failure to do so will mean that we will be forced to exercise our rights in the courts and to submit complaints to the relevant regulators in the UK and Europe.

You can support our cause by tweeting to the PSR and FCA, and letting Amex know your thoughts. Explain the benefits you see in supporting Amex in Curve, how it increases competition and choice, and request to review their decision.

We’re sorry for any inconvenience caused to Amex cardmembers, and we hope to resume Amex support in Curve soon. We will update you as soon as we have any further information.”


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Comments (280)

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  • Christian says:

    My amex “pendings” to Curve have all dropped off now.

    • Mr Dee says:

      and you spent the curve money?

      • John says:

        I have

        • James says:

          Me too, and HMRC’s receipts confirm successful payment. Wonder what will happen if my pending payments also ‘drop off”. Can’t believe Curve would have parted with the funds if it wasn’t guaranteed Amex honour the top up!

    • Brian W says:

      Me too, both pending top ups I did have gone now!

      Spent the money from my Amex wallet successfully.

  • Anna says:

    I’ve spoken to Amex this morning about monies “pending” since Monday. They can’t explain it (the CS agent thought it was still waiting for Curve to call on it, even though that’s not the case), and will “monitor” it. A cynic might say they somehow know people are waiting for sign up bonuses and companion vouchers to trigger!

  • Julian says:

    Personally I hope that Curve do take Amex to court as I think it it is high time that the murky workings of the Amex card payment business model were exposed to greater public scrutiny. In fact I might well attend some of the legal hearing in the public gallery if or when it goes ahead.

    However ultimately given Amex’s business model being as it is Curve should simply have capped the value per transaction and per month for Amex payments at a much lower level than Visa or Mastercard. This in turn would have allowed customers to charge normal high street transactions at Lidl, B&Q etc to Amex and the relationship could have continued without any problems.

    • Villy says:

      “it is high time that the murky workings of the Amex card payment business model were exposed” hope you’ve got a good lawyer! By the way, if you want Curve to take legal action for their own errors, you might have to chip in a few quid 😉

    • Mark2 says:

      Since you are obviously party to these murky workings why not spill the beans?
      Or are they a figment of your imagination? or NDA perchance?

    • Clockwise says:

      I trust you are well acquainted with British libel law, Julian…

      • Lady London says:

        He will be, soon?

      • Doug M says:

        I know these comments are a bit frivolous, but is it not so that case law takes into account whether you made it worse by publicizing it with a libel case. I mean you libel someone on a site read by 100 people, not suggesting HfP readership is at that level, and it would be hard to establish how many viewed a comment, but you then bring a libel case taking the remark into the much wider public domain with media outlet coverage of the libel case, and as a result instead of maybe a few hundred, the libel is known to a few million, literally as a result of your own legal action.

        • Rob says:

          Libel law only requires 1 person to have read it. This is why the UK has libel legal tourism. If 5 copies of a German magazine were posted to subscribers in the UK, someone (not a UK citizen) who appears in that magazine can sue for libel in the UK courts even though 99.99% of copies were not read or sold here.

  • Barney says:

    I am amazed that Amex management allowed the agreement with Curve and can understand Curve’s frustration with this fact. However, it is likely that the closure of the merchant agreement is more complex than simple economics. American Express is a completely different model to the other card schemes and what Curve offers blurs this differentiation and could open Amex up to the risk of adverse regulation.

  • Howard says:

    For personal reasons I find Curves position hypocritical. I had the Curve Card when it launched and used it responsibly. Can’t remember the exact transaction but Curve did not like one of my transactions. From memory it was a group dinner booking for 20 people at a greyhound track. You know what you do 19 pay you in cash and you pay the total bill. My card was linked to a Virgin Card. Anyhow they said the transaction was gambling when actually it was only food and drink and they banned me. I complained but they would not budge.

    I kept on getting emails from them and one day I reapplied and was accepted. I used a different email address but same name and home address. I was accepted and used the card. All good until I got a new iPhone. I had an IT problem. They then came back cancelling my card as I used my card for suspicious activity. Seems a meal at a dog track is suspicious activity.

    Don’t get me wrong I like Curve and I would still use them but I find it hypocrisy to still receive their emails asking me as a non customer to complain. When I complained to Curve they did not listen

    • Trader says:

      That sounds an awful lot like a breach of GDPR. I hope you’ve reported them. Curve are just going full on rogue now.

    • luckyjim says:

      Ironically, I put around £25k of actual gambling transactions through the Curve card last year. Other cards have cracked down on this sort of thing but Curve just aren’t in the ball.

      • Polly says:

        Might not be wise to admit that on such a public forum…l would ask rob to delete that comment,,perhaps…

      • luckyjim says:

        I’m not really bothered Polly. I can’t see Curve being around much longer.

        • Bazza says:

          Yes, I wouldn’t worry. What were the rest of HFPs doing to rack up such huge amounts, shopping at b n q?
          They were all at and now it’s all over…

  • luckyjim says:

    So Curve users ‘spent £450 000 via Amex on the first day’. Those outgoing (from Curve) transactions have presumably all been processed by now but the incoming payments may still be pending or even cancelled? Its the very definition of a cash flow problem.

  • Billy says:

    Ah! The arrogance of American Express strikes again! Awful company to deal with, bullies even.

    • Myer says:

      I have always found Amex to be professional and they have always provided me with excellent service. That being said I am a loyal customer not a scammer / churner!

      • Howard says:

        Totally agree from my experience customer service of Amex is 100%. Have had a few issues over the years but nothing bad and I find them very nice and decent to talk to and they try and find a way to resolve and I am churner..

    • DLR says:

      The Curve shills aren’t even trying to be subtle now!

  • Myer says:

    I would only be interested in adding my Amex to Curve if I could do so in the same way as I do with M/C and Visa. Pre loading for me is ridiculous, I only want to spend my money when I actually make a purchase. I do not want charge my Amex and hold a balance with Curve.

    It seems that only those individuals who are intent on “playing the system”, for me a form of abuse and it seems that Amex think the same, well done American Express.

    • Rob Walker says:

      It seems to have been missed that the ‘auto top-up’ feature allowed you to do just that. Albeit with the transaction possibly rounded to the nearest £10.

      I found this out to my cost when I accidentally left Curve set to my Platinum card and paid HMRC £1900 🙂

    • Polly says:

      Yes agree, thempreloading appeared to be unnecessary complex. Why did they not want the same model as mc and visa? Would be interested to see what their thinking behind that would have been. Surely they would have wanted to keep track of where spend was directed?

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