British Airways to move into Terminal 8 at New York JFK in 2022

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• Benylin says:

  7 Feb7 February 05:09

  OT: Did we get to the bottom of green/blue charge card to Plat via upgrade link? Is that route real?

  • SG says:

    7 Feb7 February 06:16

    It’s that a real upgrade route?

    • Shoestring says:

      7 Feb7 February 06:31

      nobody has reported back but it’s upgrading charge card—>charge card so should in theory be OK

      • BJ says:

        7 Feb7 February 06:41

        But did the special upgrade not refer to PRG? If so, it’s a big jump to believe it will work for green. That said, you would think amex will be even happier to see green cardholders upgrading than PRG cardholders.

      • Shoestring says:

        7 Feb7 February 06:53

        somebody needs to take it for the team – I was trying to think of a time when you might have Green card (instead of Gold credit or Plat) but logically I don’t think I ever would – people leaving a company corporate scheme might, I suppose

      • Mark2 says:

        7 Feb7 February 08:01

        Is there a benefit though, 2,000 + 20,000 MR compared with getting 35,000 for a normal application?
        Do you get 18,000 for referring Green from Plat?
        The only benefit I can see is if you don’t get charged for Plat until the charge date for green.

      • Lumma says:

        7 Feb7 February 08:26

        Isn’t the supposed benefit that you can avoid the 6 months without a MR card? If it works you could cancel the gold credit card, open a green charge to keep you MR balance alive then immediately upgrade to platinum and get the upgrade bonus

      • Charlieface says:

        7 Feb7 February 14:10

        Benefit in that you only need to spend £1k as opposed to £3k

  • DJS says:

    7 Feb7 February 08:24

    I am currently trying this method going from Green to Plat. Chat rep said it was OK. Currently on. My way to spending £1k and will report back.
    (P. S. I am long time lurker on the site and never posted, but hoping I can report something of value now)

    • Rob mc says:

      7 Feb7 February 08:42

      Did you do this via the upgrade link or over chat?

      • DJS says:

        7 Feb7 February 09:16

        via the upgrade link.

• Flying Misfit says:

  7 Feb7 February 05:53

  OT: CA fare purchased in Nov sale.
  Like a poster yesterday, booked on CA for FRA-PVG-MEL return in April.
  CA have stopped PVG-MEL route so only second legs rebooked as PEK-MEL return.
  On outbound, they have not altered my FRA-PVG, which arrives in Shanghai after the PEK-MEL has left. Only chance to make flight is to rebook on a CA FRA-PEK on outbound, in effect 24 hours earlier than originally booked. Similar problems with inbound arriving in effect 24 hours after original booking time.

  There are other codeshare flights on LH that are more convenient than leaving a whole 24 hours earlier but CA insist they cannot book on partner airline although flights offered on website. Flights are a couple of month away and CA have also offered full refund should rebooking times and flights not be convenient.

  Have to go unfortunately during these dates for family reasons, obviously any replacement booking will be more than the 1300 odd i paid back in Nov.

  Do I have any latitude here on insisting to be booked on partner flights available on their website or do I just have to suck it up given the timeframe of notification. Appreciate that any EU261 rules would be applicable on outbound and only if any of the EU261 rules apply.

  Any thoughts appreciated

  • BJ says:

    7 Feb7 February 06:21

    Your flight is not until April so no latitude on insisting anything or EU261. The airline should reroute you something sensible or offer you a full refund if that is not possible or not to your liking. You cannot insist they use a partner airline but it is possible but unlikely they might do so. Call CS and be nice, honey always works better than vinegar.

    • Shoestring says:

      7 Feb7 February 06:37

      [reroute you something sensible or offer you a full refund if that is not possible or not to your liking]

      Not quite how I see it – you have an absolute right under EC261 to be re-routed on a sensible / reasonable alternative, even if that means on a competitor airline.
      If, for example, your alternative booking offered were (say) 4 days different to the original, that’s clearly highly unreasonable.

      People say that being proactive here, ie researching the alternative route you want and presenting it to BA, ‘can you re-route me on this ticket, please?’ – is the constructive way to approach it that gets results.

      • BJ says:

        7 Feb7 February 06:59

        The reality is different from the theory though. Best results are achieved by getting a reasonable CSA and being reasonable with them too. Of course a proactive approach helps, help the CSA do their job well 🙂

      • Flying Misfit says:

        7 Feb7 February 07:28

        Cheers both

      • Louie says:

        7 Feb7 February 08:26

        Except this is not BA, it is CA…..

      • Shoestring says:

        7 Feb7 February 08:33

        Louie is right that EC261 doesn’t apply for non-EU carrier flights originating from non-EU location

        (tbh I just start guessing when I see 3 letter airport acronyms as I have far better things to do than learn those!)

  • Nick_C says:

    7 Feb7 February 11:04

    As your ticketed journey is starting in the EU, then surely EU261 does apply.

  • marcw says:

    7 Feb7 February 15:57

    You have very little margin. You either take the alternative they offer you, it must be sensible though, or you ask for a full refund. You won’t convince them to book you on another partner airline.

• Toby says:

  7 Feb7 February 06:15

  OT: how long a gap should I leave between applying for Amex Plat and SPG cards? I would have left at least a month but I’m a bit concerned that the SPG could just disappear. Is a month enough? Is a week?!

  • Louise says:

    7 Feb7 February 06:36

    You need to leave 6 months if you want the sign up bonus

    • Alan says:

      7 Feb7 February 08:46

      No, they’re different reward currencies

    • Louise says:

      7 Feb7 February 13:22

      My advice was based on you just closing Amex plat and SPG!

  • Shoestring says:

    7 Feb7 February 06:38

    No time limits involved as they are different ‘families’ (SPG doesn’t earn MR points)

  • Mark2 says:

    7 Feb7 February 06:49

    Really this depends on your credit record. Remember that UK and US cards are managed separately and are very different.

    Whatever you do, remember to refer yourself from Plat to get additional 18,000 MR.

    • TripRep says:

      7 Feb7 February 06:54

      This ^^^

      I got my Amex Plat in Dec and just successfully referred myself for the SPG, taking Harry’s advice that it may close up shop for new applications in the near future.

      If you are concerned about credit rating/approval, you can check your eligibility without applying. There’s an online tool.

      • BJ says:

        7 Feb7 February 07:10

        I think the greater concern is amex’s own files. Over the last year we have seen more comments about anexrefusing cards, suspending accounts, requiring additional details than we did previous. Might mean nothing new at amex and just be people commenting more on their negative experiences. Whatever it is, amex relationship is best managed sensibly. It is simply not common sense to apply for two credit cards from the same company a week apart. Personally I would wait at least one month.My inclination is to believe the SPG card is going nowhere soon but then it would not be the first time a card has just dropped dead in the past year, so far not at amex though.

        • Alan says:

          7 Feb7 February 08:48

          Yeah, I just got refused for Amex Nectar, despite having shut BAPP a month ago (which had a massive credit limit) so giving it a rest with them for a while. Couldn’t reapply for SPG just now anyway.

      • Shoestring says:

        7 Feb7 February 07:43

        But SPG card is not an Amex Amex card – it is a co-branded card. Therefore Amex probably can’t give 2 hoots about whether you get it shortly after getting an Amex Amex card

        • Alan says:

          7 Feb7 February 08:50

          It’s still issued by them though so from a credit check POV will still be considered…

      • Genghis says:

        7 Feb7 February 07:48

        All balances still on Amex’s BS. It’s not “normal” behaviour applying for cards so close together.

      • Lumma says:

        7 Feb7 February 09:31

        When I use the eligibility checker on the amex site I get different chances of success for different cards. They don’t seem to make sense to me but nectar is always the lowest score (3/10). They more premium cards give me a higher chance of success but I did get the gold credit card with a 5/10 chance

        • Alan says:

          7 Feb7 February 09:37

          Interesting, didn’t know about the checker on their site – plus interesting re different scores for different cards.

  • Rob mc says:

    7 Feb7 February 07:10

    Talking of SPG.. has anyone managed to get double points by calling up and trying to cancel ?

    • BJ says:

      7 Feb7 February 07:30

      Most have reported being offered 1 extra Marriott point per pound recently which falls far short of the double SPG points they used to offer.

    • Alan says:

      7 Feb7 February 08:49

      Have only heard of 1 extra point per GBP being offered.

      • Bonglim says:

        7 Feb7 February 12:00

        @Alan
        Sometimes being rejected while having a massive credit limit on a different card is because Amex wants their total liability to be a certain amount – and they have used that all up on your existing card. Therefore, if you speak to the agent (probably at the time to be fair) they might reduce the limit on your BA card and be happy to give you an SPG card.
        Alternatively when you do re-apply perhaps close the BA card first.

        • Alan says:

          7 Feb7 February 12:06

          Yep I know that but had already closed the BA card a few weeks ago as I mentioned 😉

• Dwadda says:

  7 Feb7 February 07:00

  Yeah! I hate having to go between 7 and 8.

  • Nick_C says:

    7 Feb7 February 08:24

    Makes sense to co-locate from an Alliance POV, but if you are connecting onto AA and flying J or PE, surely makes sense to fly AA all the way? More routes from the UK to JFK than BA, better J class, and LFR T3 better than T5 IMHO.

    Makes no sense at all though considering the money that has been spent on T7 and the disruption that has been caused there. But I guess BA have no choice in the matter.

    Just hope they upgrade the AA lounges at T8.

    • David says:

      7 Feb7 February 09:23

      How far along is the development at T7? We’re flying back in J early March and wonder if we’ll see the difference?

      • Alan says:

        7 Feb7 February 09:37

        Yep, lounge refurb was moving on apace when I was there in Nov.

    • Michael says:

      7 Feb7 February 10:10

      Firstly, I understand that BA’s lease on T7 expires in 2022 anyway. In addition, the current refurbishment is apparently a contractual obligation they have on their lease, so basically they had no choice in the matter.

• Nate1309 says:

  7 Feb7 February 07:06

  OT how long does the 10000MR take to deposit into account after £15000 spend on gold?
  Mine is a charge card still so hoping to upgrade via link to platinum. Will I then be charge £450 on top of the £140?

  • Rob mc says:

    7 Feb7 February 07:09

    Normally a month after the fee is hit. If you upgrade you will get the £140 refund or pro rata then charged the £450 fee

    • thehornets says:

      7 Feb7 February 07:54

      £140 pro rata refund applied immediately, £450 platinum fee applied at next bill.

      Last time I did this, I wasn’t charged the Platinum fee but did receive the pro rata refund.

  • Genghis says:

    7 Feb7 February 07:10

    A month after anniversary

  • Shoestring says:

    7 Feb7 February 07:44

    You’ll get a pro-rata fund of the £140 then (probably) get charged the £450

  • Nate1309 says:

    7 Feb7 February 08:36

    thanks all

  • Rob says:

    7 Feb7 February 09:03

    30 days after your card renewal date.

• Roger says:

  7 Feb7 February 07:50

  OT- any recent success in crediting Amex MR to SPG using last name match only i.e. crediting Mrs’ Roger’s MR points into my Marriott account?

  • Mark2 says:

    7 Feb7 February 08:04

    There is no need as you can freely transfer between accounts by ringing 020 7012 7312

    • Roger says:

      7 Feb7 February 08:17

      But limited to 100K points only?

      • Mark2 says:

        7 Feb7 February 08:59

        Transfer out yes. If she has more than that you should probably has transferred 100,000 last year.

    • Nick_C says:

      7 Feb7 February 08:26

      Thanks for that phone number! I could only find a US # on the Web site!

• Roger says:

  7 Feb7 February 07:53

  OT- Does anyone know, when does Curve’s 28 days cooling off period start for Metal upgrade?
  From the date of application in App or the date the card was received/activated in the app?

  I would have thought later, but looking for a concrete answer.
  Do not see any value in continuing to use the Metal beyond 28 days as it does not offer much coveted Amex usage, let alone unlimited!

  • Roberto says:

    7 Feb7 February 08:24

    Date of application.
    Confirmed by Maria on the curve community forum.

  • Chrisasaurus says:

    7 Feb7 February 08:29

    I’d have said the later, done people won’t even have received their cards within 14 days, perhaps even 28

  • Alan says:

    7 Feb7 February 08:51

    I believe date of subscription given the benefits (bar the lounge access and physical metal card) started then.

    • MaryJane says:

      7 Feb7 February 11:35

      Is LoungeKey access actually available? I’m hearing that Curve haven’t even signed a deal for it yet?!

      • Grant says:

        7 Feb7 February 11:41

        ‘Coming soon’…

      • Alan says:

        7 Feb7 February 11:56

        still awaited – given it wasn’t confirmed at time of metal launching i personally wouldn’t have based any of my decisions to sign up based on this. seems a pretty unappealing offering anyway to only get reduced price access.

      • Zackary says:

        7 Feb7 February 20:48

        Yet every feature advertised by curve that’s “coming soon”. That apparently includes the Mastercard World Elite status too. Whole thing is a shambles at best, a con at worst.

      • Zackary says:

        7 Feb7 February 20:49

        *another feature

  • Chas says:

    7 Feb7 February 09:59

    I saw a comment from Curve on their community thread which stated that it was the date of upgrade in app (which you can confirm as it will be the same date you got your insurance details by email).

• Tom says:

  7 Feb7 February 08:04

  I won’t miss terminal 7 – it is the pits!

  • Mikeact says:

    7 Feb7 February 08:35

    No messing around in the US….’ let’s spend €13bn and get the job done’…..how refreshing compared to the UK.

    • Callum says:

      7 Feb7 February 09:59

      Why is this refreshing compared to the UK?

    • AlexT says:

      7 Feb7 February 12:23

      Try building another runway at JFK and see what happens…
      LHR terminal space is a peach compared to the current (and very recent past) state of LGA / JFK / Newark

    • Nick_C says:

      7 Feb7 February 16:41

      One thing JFK needs is some hotels at the terminals. The ones at the Jamaica airtrain station sound like crack houses. The ones nearer the terminals need a shuttle bus.

      • Chrisasaurus says:

        7 Feb7 February 19:33

        The crowne Plaza is an odd place, nestled in a residential area – but the others pretty well all are too.

        The shuttles from the airtrain station work ok, no?

  • Liam says:

    7 Feb7 February 16:43

    Terminal 1 is worse, I think. Thankfully I’ve only ever had to use it once.

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