You can now earn Virgin Atlantic miles on KLM and Air France codeshares

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• Frank de Jongh Swemer says:

  5 Mar5 March 05:49

  I am still confused by the Virgin T&Cs.

  “To earn miles on KLM:
  Book your KLM flights directly online and remember to add your Flying Club membership number.”

  So implying you can earn miles on a KLM and I checked, you can indeed enter a FC number on a KLM.com booking and also an AVIOS FlyBe Ltd number ?!?!

  Are they either getting the websites ready, or are the Virgin terms not clear?

  • Rob says:

    5 Mar5 March 07:32

    Terms are unclear. Only codeshare for now.

  • RussellH says:

    5 Mar5 March 10:35

    KLM website accepted my Flying Club no. yesterday for intra-EU flights.

    • Bob says:

      5 Mar5 March 11:00

      But then is your KLM flight (with a KL code) going to be credited to your Flying Club number?

      I may think no.

      I could also add a Flying Blue (KL/AF frequent flyer programm) number to my Flybe flight, coded BE but AF operated.
      It shows the number on the boarding pass.
      Unfortunately, even if Flybe is working on codeshares with AF (that was before Flybe being bought by Virgin), there are no agreement with Flying Blue.
      So I did not have any flight/miles credited.
      And it even did not show a zero line on my Flying Blue account.

      I guess you may have the same case for you RussellH.
      You can add your Flying Club no. for your intra-EU flights.
      You may see it on your boarding pass.
      And that it: no miles credited.

      Let us know if your miles are credited.

      • RussellH says:

        5 Mar5 March 12:58

        Few months yet…

• BJ says:

  5 Mar5 March 05:53

  No analysis on the earning rates? Feels like the key point if the article is missing.

  • Rob says:

    5 Mar5 March 07:32

    Nope. They are what they are and seem to match VS, give or take.

• Alex W says:

  5 Mar5 March 06:11

  This is a bit disappointing as the Virgin website initially states “As a Flying Club member you can earn on ALL KLM operated and marketed services” however it appears earning is actually
  far more limited? I hope eventually they will cover all AF/KLM flights.

  • Alex W says:

    5 Mar5 March 06:14

    Bristol airport not even bookable on their website yet, so something is clearly not working. Own goal or what!

• MDA says:

  5 Mar5 March 06:19

  OT: looking to close amex down but dont know where to transfer the MR points. Is there a partner I can use without losing too much value?

  • Genghis says:

    5 Mar5 March 06:35

    This question can’t really be answered as it depends on which points you collect / what you want to achieve / a bit on how many you’re transferring etc. Have a search for some articles or give us some more info.

    • Jonathan says:

      5 Mar5 March 07:57

      @genghis – to be more specific in my case, I’ve got 135k MR points to move. I have 1.4m VS miles 600k Avios, 800k IHG and about 500k Marriot. I’m thinking I should transfer to Marriot. I don’t have any specific plans for any of these points but like to keep my options open. I get devaluation is a risk but for example if I want to fly upper to LAX on VS I’d pay the current points price regardless. TIA

      • BJ says:

        5 Mar5 March 08:18

        In that case I personally would choose Hilton. You already have a good diversified portfolio, no harm in diversifying it further. Singapore Airlines if you prefer an airline partner? Open the $/€ account, a deal on that at the moment, 30k bonus.

      • Neil says:

        5 Mar5 March 08:57

        I agree with BJ. The overnight increase in Marriot as well means I would only transfer to Marriot as a last resort now. But of course if you have status with Marriot then that’s different. I prefer to earn and burn miles myself

      • The Savage Squirrel says:

        5 Mar5 March 13:37

        No way I’d choose Hilton unless I had a specific redemption in mind. Burns 1/3 of the value immediately and then burns more if you take advantage of flexibility and move them out again. Radisson is the best value hotel redemption by a distance. If you want to maintain flexibility but still have a chance of achieving 1p/mile or more then Avios/Virgin is still the answer.

      • Axel says:

        5 Mar5 March 18:29

        You’ve got a fridge full of yoghurts.

        I would burn 25% – 30% over next 9 months and enjoy the experiences.

    • Alex Sm says:

      5 Mar5 March 22:06

      I have both Flying Blue and Aeroflot accounts but I would prefer to accumulate everything in my VS FC as it simply makes more sense and more chance to accrue reasonable mileage through a combination of flights, card spend and special offers which is simply unavailable with AF or SU for a UK resident. Am I not right? Challenge me!

  • Simon says:

    5 Mar5 March 06:35

    It depends on your definition of value. eg can you combine them with an existing balances somewhere to get enough for a particular redemption?
    I value a day out at the Emirates in the box so I put a slug there for redemption at some point in the next three years. Clearly I run the risk of that offer disappearing.
    The rest went to BA as I know they’ll never expire there (given my activity) and it lets me share them with my household account members.

  • TripRep says:

    5 Mar5 March 06:50

    MDA could you be a little more vague?

    What do you intend to spend them on, hotels, flights…???

    • MDA says:

      5 Mar5 March 07:29

      I would still like a bit of flexibility, so I was thinking SPG or Heathrow rewards.

      It would most likely be hotels but not Hilton as im still using the barclaycard visa for non amex purchases and not IHG (although partner is ambassador member)

      • Genghis says:

        5 Mar5 March 08:11

        Marriott is a reasonable partner for flexibility, c.0.75p / MR. HR is not a partner. Have you looked into Radisson (c.1p/MR, but not as wide a footprint and no pluripotency)?

  • Rob says:

    5 Mar5 March 07:31

    See

    https://headforpoints.com/2018/12/03/what-is-the-best-use-of-american-express-membership-rewards-points-2/

    You can also get an Amex Rewards Credit Card to keep them alive.

    • Jtz says:

      5 Mar5 March 08:28

      Am I right that the Amex $/€ account, to gain extra krisflyer, has a yearly fee and income requirement?
      Thanks

      • Rob says:

        5 Mar5 March 08:32

        Yes, so you need to be transferring a decent chunk of Amex (50k+) to make it worthwhile I think at the current FX rate.

  • newbee says:

    5 Mar5 March 11:16

    what does OT mean?

    • Kiran says:

      5 Mar5 March 11:21

      Off Topic

    • Alex Sm says:

      5 Mar5 March 22:10

      Something what people should avoid here! Unless they want to get a reward flight of their choice on Orange2fly airline!

• Simon says:

  5 Mar5 March 06:37

  What’s the footnote on Salt Lake City in the KLM route chart please?

• TripRep says:

  5 Mar5 March 06:56

  So still no clue as to exactly when you can

  A) redeem VS miles on AF/KLM
  B) book a Virgin redemption with FlyBE connection from a regional airport?

  Would have been nice if Virgin PR anticipated questions like these…

  • Mr(s) Entitled says:

    5 Mar5 March 07:19

    Maybe they did but maybe they are unable to answer them at this time. Better to get accurate information in due course than shifting sands now.

  • Rob says:

    5 Mar5 March 07:28

    a) ask the US Government
    b) we need to see what happens on 1st May

    The transition to Virgin Group Loyalty Company also happens 1st April which may have some impact.

    • William says:

      5 Mar5 March 09:07

      I’m intrigued by this Rob, and forgive me if this answered elsewhere, by transition to VGLC do you mean behind the scenes or a public launch?

      • Rob says:

        5 Mar5 March 12:03

        Both, in theory. I need to go and see them again for an update.

• Guadeloophole says:

  5 Mar5 March 07:34

  Do flights to the Caribbean not count as Transatlantic, or does it depend on the airline? All the destinations listed are US/CA/MX.

  • Mr(s) Entitled says:

    5 Mar5 March 07:38

    If the definition is flying over the Altlantic then South and Central America should be listed too. Looks like it’s just North America if CA/US/MX.

• Andy S says:

  5 Mar5 March 07:38

  Is it only TATL or will you also get some miles and points on EU flights? And more importantly will status count? My silver FB has lapsed but still silver VS so that would be useful for next KLM EU hop!

  • Rob says:

    5 Mar5 March 08:37

    Codeshare to AMS/CDG is only bookable if it connects to s transatlantic.

    Same way that Loganair / BA codeshares are only bookable if they connect to a BA service.

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