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Creation cancelling credit cards which have been used with a Curve Card

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Creation Financial Services, issuers of the IHG Rewards and (closed to new customers) Marriott Visa credit cards, made a very aggressive move on Friday in its dispute with Curve Card.

It appears that the majority of credit cards which had been used with a Curve Card are being closed.

One call centre agent said that 1,800 cardholders were impacted. We cannot confirm this number.

Creation closing IHG and Marriott credit cards used by Curve Card holders

The closure letter states that cards are being closed on 3rd December.

Based on reader discussions with the call centre, but not confirmed in writing by Creation:

  • annual free night vouchers on the IHG Rewards Premium credit card will still be desposited if the cardholder spends £10,000 before their card is closed
  • there will NOT be a pro-rata refund of the £99 annual fee on the IHG Rewards Premium credit card – although you would be free to dispute this with the Ombudsman

If you cannot trigger your free night voucher by 3rd December but would otherwise, you arguably have a case for a full refund of your IHG Rewards Premium £99 fee for the current year.

Why is Creation banning Curve Card holders?

It isn’t entirely clear what is driving this, although I was told by an independent industry consultant that it was being pushed by National Savings.

Curve Card, for those who don’t have one, is a debit card which allows you to recharge transactions to a linked credit card. You can learn more about Curve Card in this article.

This meant – most specifically – you could deposit money into National Savings and have it charged to a miles or points earning credit card as a purchase. Most Curve Card holders had a £9,000 daily limit albeit capped at £1.8 million per year.

Whilst Curve Card had always had blocks in place for payments to banks, there were certain grey areas such as National Savings, HMRC and various investment firms such as Hargreaves Lansdown.

Creation had initially sent out text message to cardholders a few weeks ago saying that its cards could no longer be used with Curve Card. I was told at that time that mass account closures would follow, and here we are.

One problem is that the ban is catching many people who used Curve Card purely for Apple Pay functionality. It was the only way to add your Creation card to Apple Pay.

For clarity …. the free IHG Rewards credit card is still open to new applicants. Creation is not pulling out of the UK and is only closing these 1,800 (TBC) accounts.

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Comments (860)

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  • KBuffett says:

    I have Curve Legacy Black. The insurance actually looks quite decent considering I have no ongoing costs and I also get 3% back at Argos, Boots, Goldsmiths amongst others.

    • Youllnever says:

      The legacy black doesn’t have insurance – that’s only applicable to the subscription black tier.

      • KBuffett says:

        It’s showing in my app as applicable, under the account section. Even has a policy number etc.

        • Youllnever says:

          That’s because all legacy black users had a 3 months trial years ago where they could test the new subscription black tier which included the insurance coverage, after that 3 months trial, the insurance coverage would have ended and you were automatically dropped back to the legacy trial unless you opted to move to the subscription black.

          The documents there are only there for if you’ve made any claims during that trial period (which I did incidentally).

          If you need insurance, you need to get it elsewhere – don’t incorrectly believe you have it with Curve!

          • KBuffett says:

            Thanks, good to know. Luckily, I don’t really trust Curve and the likes.

        • Harrier25 says:

          I’m Curve Black Legacy too and the main valued benefit to me is the unlimited FX which isn’t available to free blue card holders. I can confirm though that the insurance benefits are not available unless you are a subscriber.

    • Alex says:

      So glad I kept the black legacy too, and on top I’m a investor black legacy. Still the best deal.

      • Harrier25 says:

        Without a doubt, Alex. Anyone would be mad to upgrade from Black Legacy in my opinion.

        • Hugo says:

          The insurance was offered to some of us for free if we referred a few friends

          • Youllnever says:

            Yeah, but that isn’t part of the black legacy card benefit – that was an upgrade offer to get the black subscription perpetually free.

  • Track says:

    The way how things go: Creation likely to have computed 2.95% on top of every Curve transaction used for FX and presented that number to Curve as “Loss of FX revenues”, probably in 10s of millions.

    Omitting the fact, that most of those transactions would never happen without Curve / would have never been charged to Creation cards (by FX-conscious Curve customers).

    There is a lot of talk about MS and nearly criminalising the efforts to earn points (eg, earn a gain from payment method). Yes it is very very easy to label things as misuse of account/wire fraud.

    An industry practice of 2.95% charge on “foreign transactions’ plus uncontrolled spread easily adding 2-3% on top of transaction.

    AMEX, Mastercard FX rates are set with the benefit of hindsight — end of the day, next day for the transaction date prior. They are set not in favour of purchasers of the originating country. Eg, AMEX would purchase a foreign currency cheaper on the day, and charge it higher to the customers later.

    This a legal sleight of hand that goes on and make a business of payment card issuers and payment system.

    • David says:

      Wire fraud is something entirely different.

      • Track says:

        May be. But given how US prosecutors throw in wire fraud charges on top any charges if the interstate electronic communication was used.

        The matter of payments to NS&I was raised. It is clear that NS&I consider themselves being defrauded because they have to pay higher debit card payment processing charges than anticipated. That is why taken measures are harsh, though not very sensible and suit Creation business purposes to get rid of customers who pay no interest and to potentially exit the market.

  • Anna says:

    If you ended up having to cancel an expensive but refundable hotel booking (because obviously the travel industry is still in turmoil) after December 3rd, would there be any attempt to claw back the points from IHG?

    • Harrier25 says:

      I can’t see how they can because once they’re in your IHG account Creation can’t see how your using your points.

    • BuildBackBetter says:

      The bigger question is the delay on the refund. Won’t be surprised if Creation say they lost record of transactions. Keep copies of all statements and transactions.

    • David says:

      Is this for something you’ve already booked, or are you looking to game the system even more?

      • David says:

        Why do you have to be so unpleasant at times? It was a civil question.

  • Anna says:

    Out of interest I put both myself and my OH through the eligibility checker for Creation loans last night. Both deemed ineligible (we are not!), so I am wondering if Creation has tweaked its IT to weed out relevant current card customers!

    • The Savage Squirrel says:

      Probably too solvent to be their target market.
      I got rejected when I applied for IHG card. Input a much lower income figure (hey, it’s true for the period of Covid shutdown in 2020 😀 ) and reapplied; promptly accepted.

      • WillPS says:

        Be careful fudging your income between applications. Very quick way to get flagged on National Hunter.

  • Filipino_Chino says:

    Sorry late to the party…

    So if i get a Curve card, i could pay off my mortage / HMRC etc and earn points?

    Just checking as I always used by Tesco account, but this is closing now…

    • Nigerian Prince says:

      yes, but you are late

    • SteveJ says:

      Not too late if a) willing to pay fronted / metal fees and b) willing to risk your relationship with your credit card provider who may decide to disown you like Creation seem to have.

  • Geoggy says:

    Got my letter.

    My annual fee was paid in January so not worth the admin for a pro rata claim but I guess I’m not getting the free night I would be due in January either? I would definitely pursue that.

    • Lula says:

      I’m also a January renewal. Reports seem to be that free nights will be deposited where they’ve been earned.

      • Geoggy says:

        Thank you

      • David says:

        Even after the closure date of cards? Do we know that with any certainty, or is that just for certs due before the December close date?

        • Lula says:

          I don’t think we know anything for certain. But they’d be on very shaky ground denying people the free night if they’ve met the conditions for it.

  • Ian M says:

    I’ve received the letter. I’ve never once done any MS spend on the card. A good time to wave goodbye to IHG all together. Terrible benefits for top tier status holders and now no UK credit card available for no good reason whatsoever.

  • GenX says:

    No letter as of today yet. I was using the Creation > Curve route for normal day-to-day spend. Had a few small cashpoint withdrawals a while back but that’s it. No MS as such. From reading the comments on here it seems that I should be put in the naughty corner as well. The time will tell.

    • Ian M says:

      The lesson to learn here is that in future rinse the MS, because it appears we get put on that naughty list anyway

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