News: Air France KLM adds seat fees, new Avios route to Tangier, new co-brand card in Iraq

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• JandeW says:

  29 Mar29 March 07:17

  Will the Royal Air Maroc routing earn you 80 BAEC Tier points each way?

  • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

    29 Mar29 March 07:32

    The BA tier point calculator says no.

• Riaz says:

  29 Mar29 March 07:32

  How many Avios do you need for LGW-TAN?

  • apbj says:

    29 Mar29 March 09:31

    I don’t know about Avios but the cash fares are eye-watering. I have no idea why RAM fares are so expensive, even on routes with competition. It makes redemptions better value I suppose.

• phantomchickenz says:

  29 Mar29 March 07:32

  Any indication if families will have to pay for seats just to sit together? I.e. is there a chance they might be split up if they don’t book in advance?

  • Rob says:

    29 Mar29 March 07:35

    You will get what’s left, subject to local laws on splitting families.

    • Froggee says:

      29 Mar29 March 07:49

      Just when I was thinking I might give KLM a shot again.

    • Bagoly says:

      29 Mar29 March 09:32

      So now whoever in management is judged on this revenue is incentivised to oppose upgrades from 2-3-2 to 2-2-2 to 1-2-1 layouts.
      In fact if they were being narrowly completely rational, they would favour putting 1-2-1 on leisure routes where couples/families will still pay, to sit together; and 2-3-2 on business routes, since it for most individuals there is no point in paying on 1-2-1 layouts!

• Qrfan says:

  29 Mar29 March 08:35

  I would still try them if the fare was competitive enough after accounting for the seat fee. I can’t see myself crediting anything SKYTEAM to virgin now though.

• James Wyatt says:

  29 Mar29 March 09:22

  Anyone know if you can move Virgin miles into the Air France programme?

  • Oliver says:

    29 Mar29 March 13:22

    Don’t think there is a way. But virgin miles never expire, AF/KLM will I remember if no activities for two years.

    • Dev says:

      29 Mar29 March 19:03

      Only if you don’t reach silver! Above that and there is no expiry.

      (Flyingblue also have family pooling! Unlike household accounts in BA, you actually send the miles over from say your kids and spouse to your account so it’s worthwhile taking family on SkyTeam flights.)

• Richie says:

  29 Mar29 March 09:49

  This seat fee inconsistency from SKYTEAM for status passengers is poor and petty.

  • Phillip says:

    30 Mar30 March 16:42

    Star Alliance is equally inconsistent!

• Ruralite says:

  29 Mar29 March 09:53

  Since covid, IME KLM long haul fares in Bus. from my local airport (HUY) in most cases have been really high with some destinations sometimes now having 2 or maybe 3 connections inc. Schipol. I’m finding KLM now generally uncompetitive even taking into account the local convenience and the cost of not having to get to MAN/LHR. Adding a seat cost to business class fares will just make them even less likely to be a viable alternative.

  • Richie says:

    29 Mar29 March 09:59

    If you overnight at AMS after HUY-AMS and do a separately ticketed AMS-XXX flight, does that bring the total cost doen?

  • Thegasman says:

    29 Mar29 March 11:05

    HUY is a funny one though, their pricing to AMS is always punchy (£200+ economy & £5-600 in J). I assume there must be a big pool of oil & gas types paying that as loads generally good & 2-3 rotations/day.

    It’s a great airport vs MAN for me based in Sheffield so I frequently redeem Virgin miles which works out ~£200 return for J at 1p/mile.

    • Ruralite says:

      29 Mar29 March 11:25

      Yes oil/gas and windfarm staff account for quite a lot of their load but prices were never as ridiculous as they can be now!
      @Richie – no not looked at overnight in AMS with separate ticket onwards, will see if it makes a significant difference but unless it’s big (and I suspect not) not worth it, to me at least, for the time and effort involved.

• Scallder says:

  29 Mar29 March 10:01

  anyone having an issue logging into BAEC?

  • Lumma says:

    29 Mar29 March 12:01

    No but I can’t access Combine My Avios in any of the programmes at the minute. Which is annoying as I have 13,000 in Iberia that I need in BA

    • JC says:

      29 Mar29 March 12:05

      @Lumma transfer into Avios.com then back out the other side, always seems more reliable

      • lumma says:

        29 Mar29 March 18:38

        Tried avios.com as well and it just says “combine my avios is temporarily unavailable, please try later”. Same message as on BA.com and Iberia.com

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