British Airways agrees pay deal with Unite for 24000 staff, reverses ‘fire and rehire’ pay cuts

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• Charles Martel says:

  5 Aug5 August 05:30

  Great news, hopefully it will help BA retain the staff it desperately seems to need.

  • Suse says:

    12 Aug12 August 08:21

    Pay increase is to be funded from profits of BA or an increase in fares that would paid by skinned customers?

• bafan says:

  5 Aug5 August 06:48

  Great news! CC pay is absolutely dire. They have coasted by on the prestige of the job for far too long.

• Gordon says:

  5 Aug5 August 06:57

  Saw on news app yesterday. Pilots and management are excluded! But it is good news for the rest of staff, I wonder if this will improve the J cabin experience now. I fear there maybe cabin crew galley chatter regarding this for a while! So those sensitive to this, don your noise cancelling headphones….

  • Rhys says:

    5 Aug5 August 07:22

    Of course pilots and management are excluded…pilots have their own union!

    • Gordon says:

      5 Aug5 August 07:34

      Of course they do.

    • Bob says:

      5 Aug5 August 08:32

      Funnily enough, recently, there has been some discussion amongst some BA pilots about joining Unite, as they are not happy with BALPA.

    • Rich says:

      5 Aug5 August 09:30

      And their own multi year deal I thought? Although they’re not happy with it?

      • Nick says:

        5 Aug5 August 10:20

        Pilots signed a binding deal valid until 24, and balpa is so shambolically organised that meaningful preparations for a follow-on deal are basically impossible.

        And the real problem is that pilots don’t have any leverage – put simply, not enough of them leave. The impetus for other staff was engineering, where LAEs are in huge demand (UA has recently acquired a maintenance hangar at LHR and enticed a lot of 777/787 licenced engineers across with higher pay) – it was such a fundamental problem that BA had to act generously and fast. If pilots left to other airlines in any numbers the same would apply.

• Simonbr says:

  5 Aug5 August 07:55

  Most public sector workers can only dream of 13%, but yes it is great for BA staff.

  • Andrew. says:

    5 Aug5 August 08:17

    But then, most public sector staff don’t have to fight their colleagues for their increment each year.

    The whining I’m hearing at work over a simple annual appraisal. They honestly have no idea that in the real world (or my previous life) appraisals can be a continuous process and ongoing evidence recording is essential. Or that if the paypot is 5%, if I get 6% they’ll only get 4%.

    • Devon Diamond says:

      5 Aug5 August 08:59

      PPS?

    • Sarah says:

      5 Aug5 August 09:25

      Most civil serviants don’t get an increment and are frozen at a point on the pay scale

    • David says:

      5 Aug5 August 10:41

      “The real world?”
      Jesus.

  • Nick says:

    5 Aug5 August 10:00

    Most private sector workers can only dream of having a defined benefit, salary based, inflation-linked for life pension, which this year gave public sector workers an over 10% increase in pensions, and a nearly 12% increase in career average revaluation. Defined benefit pensions have essentially been unheard of for new starters in the private sector for over two decades now.

    • Myriad says:

      5 Aug5 August 10:02

      The likelihood of me living to see this mythical “defined benefit” pension is pretty low, it’s effectively worthless to me.

      • Charles Martel says:

        5 Aug5 August 11:27

        So presumably you don’t pay in to it?

    • David says:

      5 Aug5 August 10:49

      Yes, it’s terrible what Thatcherism did.to the private sector and what they’ve been allowed to get away with for decades: a nasty and pernicious race to the bottom.

      Hope you’re organising for a Union in your workplace. Just look at what can be achieved.

      • Dev says:

        5 Aug5 August 11:19

        High wage society … don’t make me laugh! The UK is terrible! It may be home and I’ll be back but I’m so happy I left 4 years ago. The mundane rat race to the bottom is depressing (along with the general hatred by the masses and Labour Party against those who accumulate wealth).

        • Chrisasaurus says:

          6 Aug6 August 19:17

          I think a better word than accumulate could perhaps be hoard

    • Lady London says:

      5 Aug5 August 12:16

      And those in the private sector many of whom never even had the amazing defined benefit pensions at any time, are still paying for public sector defined benefits private sector employers stopped funding because they were unaffordable.

      Go figure.

      • David says:

        5 Aug5 August 13:09

        Another rabbit hole argument that entirely misses the point. Enjoy your race to the bottom (no doubt well insulated in your own personal financial circumstances).

        • Pb says:

          5 Aug5 August 20:49

          The trouble is that Unions were largely responsible for exporting jobs overseas as companies and populous got fed up with endless strikes .

      • Simonbr says:

        6 Aug6 August 06:34

        Private sector take their above inflation pay rises and bonuses, they overestimate public sector pensions (that Osborne devalued by fiddling with) , complain about public sector services while public sector workers become disenchanted and leave. Why would a nurse stay in the miserable NHS with 6% when he /she could earn 14% going to work for BA? Go figure.

• Ryan says:

  5 Aug5 August 08:02

  Power to the workers!

• Chris W says:

  5 Aug5 August 08:05

  Does this mean some cabin crew can go back to only doing one or two trips a month and won’t even need to live in the UK?

  And that there may be staff crewing the same flight on very different pay scales?

  • Rich says:

    5 Aug5 August 09:24

    There’s a big difference between rates of pay and other contract terms. The overall package remains very different to the past and inferior from the employee’s perspective.

• Thegasman says:

  5 Aug5 August 08:41

  Shows how shortsighted their Covid actions were, albeit most industries/governments would probably do things differently with hindsight.

  No point reversing pay cuts if the experienced staff you so desperately need have long since departed.

  • Rich says:

    5 Aug5 August 09:28

    Management achieved what they intended and will be glad to only have to reverse the basic pay reductions. They’re still saving significant sums on the other changes made and these will stick.

  • TGLoyalty says:

    5 Aug5 August 09:43

    I don’t know the exact ins and outs but the saying Short term pain long term gain comes to mind.

• PETER REES says:

  5 Aug5 August 09:02

  Undoubtedly a good result for BA staff. Let’s be clear about Unite leadership. The Union has 1.4m members. Only 12% of the membership voted in the election for the top job. Of those, only 38% voted for Sharon Graham, approximately 64,000 members, some 1.3m + did not vote.

  • David says:

    5 Aug5 August 10:46

    And? What’s your point?
    How many people don’t vote in a General Election, or didn’t in the EU referendum?
    Where does your implied logic take us there?

  • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

    5 Aug5 August 10:47

    So?

    Elections are decided by those that vote. A low turnout does not invalidate an election.

    There isn’t a threshold in this sort of ballot (unlike for strikes / industrial action)

  • George W says:

    5 Aug5 August 17:54

    You – presumably – are in Unite,and it sounds like you voted against her. Correct?

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