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Cathay CEO: Cathay unlikely to return to Gatwick in short term, could allow Starlux to join oneworld

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On Wednesday, Cathay Pacific unveiled its new Aria Suite business class. At the unveiling in Hong Kong, I managed to catch Cathay Pacific CEO Ronald Lam and ask him a few questions, including whether they had any plans to expand services to London.

The image below is not me asking Ronald questions, by the way ….

Cathay is unlikely to return to Gatwick

“At London Heathrow we have five daily flights, which is a very strong frequency. Five flights a day for 13 hour flights is actually a lot, when you think about it. So, yeah, we’re happy with what we have. And London Heathrow is slot constrained, so we cannot get slots there anyway.”

Ronald Lam Cathay Pacific

What about Gatwick? Cathay Pacific previously operated to the secondary London airport pre-covid. Notably, Singapore Airlines launched flights to Gatwick this summer and is increasing it to a daily service, which shows it must be going well. Would Cathay Pacific do the same?

“When we talk about pre-pandemic, it’s already five years ago. So our goal is not to look at what we had five years ago. Our goal is to look at what the market needs nowadays. So I think we will assess each destination by the latest market supply and demand, and then we’ll decide which routes are good to launch. If it makes economic sense, if there’s customer demand on a certain route, yeah, we’ll certainly go back. But we’re not necessarily just eyeing what we had in 2019.”

Lack of aircraft, which is plaguing many other airlines, does not seem to be the issue. Ronald explained that they have “flexibility” in their aircraft supply and are able to “extend the lease of certain aircraft so we won’t be constrained by that delay.”

The bottom line, it seems, is that more flights to London – whether Heathrow or Gatwick – do not appear to be on the cards any time soon, despite British Airways dropping its Hong Kong service to just one flight daily. Ronald seemed very firm on the subject!

Cathay Pacific Gatwick

Would Cathay Pacific block Starlux from joining oneworld?

Taiwanese airline Starlux has made no secret of its desire to join the oneworld alliance. As the youngest and smallest of the three Taiwanese full-service carriers it currently remains unaffiliated.

With China Airlines part of SkyTeam and EVA Air part of Star Alliance, there is really only one place for it to go: oneworld.

Last month, Taiwanese media reported that Starlux CEO Chai Chien-hua reiterated his desire to apply to join oneworld by the end of next year (2025).

Personally, I’d love to see Starlux join oneworld and launch flights to oneworld hubs in Europe, including London. Cathay Pacific might not see it that way, of course.

As a founding member of the oneworld alliance, Cathay Pacific has a right to veto any new airline. There’s a reason it might not be keen for Starlux to join: its geographic proximity means it might compete on more routes than Cathay may be comfortable with.

“I would let the oneworld management team evaluate it. The oneworld team will make the best recommendation for alliance.”

Would you take their recommendation on board?

“Yes.”

If true, we may see a new airline join oneworld in the coming years – joining Oman Air, Fiji Airways (upgrading from oneworld Connect membership) and Hawaiian Airlines (joining after its acquisition by Alaska) over the coming years.

Comments (29)

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  • executiveclubber says:

    Starlux is a great airline (sleek new planes, solid F&B and IFE). The ability to spend Avios on flights with them would be richly welcomed by me!

  • John says:

    Gatwick needs to uplift its image and brand if it wants to attract full service international airlines

    • Ian says:

      Airlines have no interest in an airport’s image and brand, they’re interested only in whether they can operate a route profitably.

      • redlilly says:

        Agreed. Look at Emirates investment in Stansted as a perfect example. Worst of the multiple airports in London.

        IMO – Gatwick isn’t actually “that bad”. Bar T2, all of the Heathrow terminals are worse than North and South, if travelling no status/lounge economy. That’s before you even consider land transport connectivity etc.

        A shame Cathay aren’t serving Gatwick in the future right now. I did fly to HK with them from LGW pre Covid and I enjoyed it. However, I understand it is all about profitability.

        • Andrew says:

          From where I live in zone 1 I can get from my front door to the Gatwick BA lounge in 55 minutes for £10 with 4-8 trains per hour, with no changes, into a first class lounge cooked to order food, with a cheaper passenger charge (and probably fare too).

          Heathrow is worse on every one of those metrics, which is quite telling! Appearances can be deceiving.

          • Rob says:

            BA at Gatwick is great, far preferable to Heathrow if you have lounge access.

    • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

      If you looked at a list of the airlines that use LGW you’d be surprised at the number that meet your criteria of being full service and international.

    • Will says:

      Gatwick needs a dedicated, direct high speed train to LHR with baggage forwarding and then people could connect to flights at both airports with very low stress and Gatwick could be developed rather than the seemingly endless folly of a 3rd runway at LHR.

      Am I also right in thinking that despite being the “right” side of Birmingham that BHX passengers won’t have access to HS2?

      If Birmingham airport had a HS connection to London it would make it an alternative airport for London.

      • TGLoyalty says:

        And it won’t be directly connected but it’ll be connected via automated people mover link to the interchange station not too far away from BHI.

        It’ll save 20 mins vs the current under 80 min 1/2 stop journey.

      • Alex G says:

        Trouble is, Gatwick and Heathrow are private competing businesses, so investing in improving links between them just isn’t going to happen. They should never have been privatised.

      • Chris W says:

        LHR and LGW are owned by different companies. They have zero interest in working together.

      • Novelty-Socks says:

        “ Gatwick needs a dedicated, direct high speed train to LHR with baggage forwarding”

        I mean, yes. That would be amazing, and would totally change the economics of both airports, effectively allowing them to operate more closely as a single airport.

        No chance of it happening anytime in my lifetime though.

      • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

        There were once plans to build some sort of rail style connection between the two using elevated tracks above the M25 but it wasn’t really economically or practically feasible.

        It would have cost a small fortune and caused years of disruption.

        It appears that the existing rail and coach links between the two are more than sufficient.

        Not sure in what way you think LGW could be developed further than its existing plans for the 2nd runway (currently being assessed via the national infrastructure planning mechanism and a ministerial decision expected early next year) and terminal developments.

  • TGLoyalty says:

    If you’re going to launch flights to another U.K. airport why would you go to one under an hours drive away from the one you already have 5 daily flights?

    Surely Manchester or Edinburgh would make more sense than Crawley.

    • Tom says:

      Not if London is where the demand is. Gatwick offered a way to leverage demand to London without paying for Heathrow slots. Cathay Pacific already does fly to Manchester FYI.

      • TGLoyalty says:

        Then it’s easier to reach BHX on train from parts of London than both LHR and LGW but I digresses

        Only twice a week from MAN

        Tbh these days while LHR is my preferred airport after BHX it’s MAN before LGW everytime.

  • The Savage Squirrel says:

    Is there a reason you didn’t mention the elephant in the room? Political expediency rather than geography would surely be the main driver behind blocking Starlux…?

    • G says:

      What do you mean ? They are both Chinese airlines after all…. 🐼

    • Danny says:

      Cathay isn’t afraid to veto airlines from joining Oneworld. Look at China Southern.

  • flyforfun says:

    I flew from GTW once on CX. I had to stay the night before at a hotel because of a train strike that day, but I do seem to recall it was a very relaxed start trip apart from the first time I had to tag my own bag for a long haul flight. (What’s the world coming to – I even had to do it travelling CE from LHR last month!!). I may have pimped my Y ticket with lounge access so that may have helped!

    However, at the moment I won’t choose CX as to my destination in Australia as they are only flying B777s there. 10 abreast in Y – no way! I’m using China Airlines via Taiwan at the mo. A350s all the way (which is what CX used to be). Very good service. Comfortable (as comfortable as Y can be) seats etc, very good food. The only downside it a long lay over outbound (similar to CX via HKG) and currently an extended flight path due to geopolitical issues. I think my flight back from Taiwan was 16.5 hrs. Last time I looked it was showing 14 hrs. They can’t fly over Russia, have to dodge most of China and then take some interesting routes over the middle east!

  • Gerry says:

    CX was also unlikely to reopen The Bridge lounge in HK after it closed permanently… and yet it’s happening… So things may turn around quickly.

    • TGLoyalty says:

      Isn’t that replacing The Wing while it’s closed for a couple years

  • Callum says:

    I’m not sure why you seem surprised? Tourism and business flows have not recovered from the COVID pandemic or from the increasing levels of government oppression.

    It’s still a major city obviously, and will remain that way, but with passenger demand significantly lower, I don’t see why Cathy would be in any rush to increase frequency.

  • Nick says:

    “despite British Airways dropping its Hong Kong service to just one flight daily”

    That explains the decision more than anything, no ‘despite’ about it! If there were profit to be made in increasing operations, BA wouldn’t have reduced theirs. CX needs to fly 5x LHR to keep their slots and is already having to push more competitive connecting pricing than they used to, the P2P demand just isn’t there like it used to be.

    • TGLoyalty says:

      These things are cyclical at some point HK will be back on the radar and it’ll
      Be flooded with visitors for both leisure and business.

    • Jetset Boyz says:

      For Winter 2023 CX leased a pair of slots to Emirates… there are airlines like QR and most recently AI who are happy to lease slots to increase the number of daily LHR flights they operate.

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