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Our articles on the new British Airways long-haul brunch and late evening meal changes this week caused a lot of discussion.

Oliver Ranson of Airline Revenue Economics produced an interesting analysis on the changes for his Substack newsletter and I thought it would benefit from a wider audience.

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We have edited this article slightly from its original format and any errors or typos may be ours. Over to Oliver ….

British Airways brunch and late evening meal changes

As HfP covered this week, British Airways is now offering a brunch service on longhaul flights leaving before 11.29am. The menus look bonkers. As the HfP article showed, you will get:

  • a starter, like smoked salmon, soup or artichoke
  • a breakfast course like waffles or sausage, mushrooms and hash browns
  • chocolate cake, coffee and liqueurs

You can wash your breakfast down with a nice glass of red or white wine if you wish.

As well as the rather strange menu choices, BA has decided that any flight scheduled to leave before 11.29am will get this brunch menu. This choice looks far too late.

To see why, consider Monday’s BA255 flight to Bridgetown, Barbados. Scheduled to depart at 11.25am, this flight will have featured brunch. Operated by Boeing 787-10 G-ZBLG, the flight left more or less on time and was airborne by 11.45am.

It will take the crew about an hour to get everything ready for the service. So passengers will start to eat around 12.45pm. This is time for the full lunch, not brunch. If the flight had been delayed, which is not unusual at Heathrow, passengers would be eating their waffles or sausages at 1pm, 2pm or later.

For the many passengers connecting from Europe, which is generally one hour ahead of London, the brunch service is even less suitable.

British Airways brunch and late evening meal changes

Why has British Airways chosen this model?

Why has BA chosen this bizarre model? Obviously it is down to cost control. But why is the cutover point at 11.29am? I have reverse-engineered their decision, looking at outbound flights from Heathrow.

For simplicity, I have ignored inbound flights and long-haul flights from Gatwick.

Departures leaving before 10.00am might be suitable candidates for brunch. Unfortunately BA simply does not have many long-haul flights leaving that early.

I took the airline’s schedule for 6th November from OAG Schedule Analyser and identified all the long-haul flights departing from Heathrow.

The table below shows that only 1% to 2% of the airline’s long-haul First, Club World and World Traveller Plus (premium economy) capacity departs before 9.00am. In fact, there is just one flight – the early departure to New York JFK.

British Airways departures long haul by time

As you can see, just 14% of First seats and 11.8% of Club World and World Traveller Plus seats are scheduled to leave before 10am.

However, 25% of First seats and 20.7% of Club World and World Traveller Plus seats leave before the 11.29am cut-off.

BA’s reasoning is now arguably clear. A business case to save money by serving brunch was proposed, and management has pushed the service time back until the savings looked good enough. 20% of passengers was their magic number.

At the other end of the day BA is cutting costs too. It is only offering a light meal on flights that leave after 9.00pm. The table compiled from OAG data shows that this change affects 10.5% of First passengers and 12.2% of Club World and World Traveller Plus travellers.

Together, the cost cutting is expected to impact almost exactly one third of premium cabin travellers flying from Heathrow.

A beautiful number like one third is too much of a co-incidence for me to ignore. This feels like a service change designed by accountants.

British Airways brunch and late evening meal changes

Which routes are impacted by these changes?

Choice – in terms of your ability to choose an alternative BA departure with a full meal service – will be eliminated on nine out of 56 long-haul routes on the sample date I looked at.

Six routes will be brunch only: Dallas Fort Worth, Tokyo Haneda, Houston, Lagos, Nassau and Nairobi. On my sample date there are no alternative departures to these cities with a full meal service.

Three routes are only scheduled at times with the late light meal: Abuja, Abu Dhabi and Santiago. Again, on the date I picked there was no alternative BA flight available.

Nine routes will have a choice of brunch or a full meal service depending on which flight you pick. These are Bridgetown, Mumbai, Boston, Delhi, New York Newark, New York JFK, Los Angeles, Miami and Chicago.

Four routes will have a choice of a late light meal or a full meal service depending on which flight you pick. These are Cape Town, Dubai, Johannesburg and Singapore.

All remaining long haul routes fall exclusively into the noon to 9pm window where a standard full meal will be offered.

(Remember that I have looked at one day only. Some routes like Tokyo Haneda have multiple flights on certain days of the week.)

Things might not be so bad on short flights like Abuja and Abu Dhabi. Nairobi will be a disaster as the flight leaves early-ish at 9.45am but due to the long 8:50 flying time and late 9.35pm arrival it completely fills the day. Passengers will want more than a poached egg on toast.

I would hope that the ultra-long flights to Santiago, Singapore and South Africa are fully catered but I will not be surprised if they are not. [HfP edit – we understand that South Africa flights ARE impacted by the reduced catering.]

Overall, I expect the new brunch menu to be a disaster and it will hopefully be a matter of months before BA cancels it. It is not without form here. When a complex trolley based service was introduced in 2018 (image below) it took hours for the service to complete and the idea was terminated quickly.

British Airways brunch and late evening meal changes

Technology is meant to bring us fully personalised airline services

The prognosis for modern airline retailing is terrible. Consider these two conclusions:

  • The 11.29am cut-off point and the resulting optimistic-case 12.45pm service delivery time shows that BA decision-makers either do not understand or do not think through what the service will actually be like in practice
  • The fact that exactly one-third of passengers are impacted shows that service changes are probably designed by or for accountants, not the travelling public

When BA is taking decisions like this, how are they supposed to operate effectively in an offer-order retailing environment?

(HfP edit: ‘offer-order’ is the technical term for the move to fully personalised airline retailing. In theory ba.com would learn from your travel history and intelligently suggest relevant flights and non-flight ancilliaries during the booking flow. Whilst this sounds pretty basic, it is still a big step forward from the current position where airlines still email me asking if I need a hotel in London, despite my trip originally starting here and my loyalty account having a London address on it.)

The standard industry response would be to say that offer-order will be entirely driven by algorithms so it will all be OK. Some people would even say that a simply bad product like BA’s brunch service would not be designed in the offer-order world because data would show passengers would not want it. This misses the point.

Algorithms are designed and monitored according to the priorities of their human controllers. When these priorities are messed up, as the case of brunch shows they will be, the algorithms will simply not work.

Offer-order is seen by airlines mainly as a technical challenge. When it comes to the technical matters I am sure that British Airways’ solutions will be second to none. After all, they have the might of travel IT giant Amadeus behind them. Since they are an Amadeus “driver customer” it is fair to say that what goes down at British Airways will influence the industry.

Unfortunately the case of brunch suggests that the future of offer-order at British Airways may be a disaster because they do not understand what their passengers want. Since BA’s approach to the technology will influence almost every other airline, the future of airline retailing looks dismal for all passengers.

There is a simple solution. Airlines need to train their staff to think like passengers.

Managers should fly several times a year as commercial passengers. They should pay on their own credit card and reclaim expenses like millions of business travellers do.

Unfortunately we all know this will not happen. To fly. To starve.

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Comments (413)

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  • yonasl says:

    I am flying from JFK at 8:10pm tomorrow and the service appears as “Club World – Sleeper service”. It feels as if PE and Y passengers will have a better food offering than I do! (Will be complaining to BA and expect some sort of compensation for the lack of food)

    • Bagoly says:

      Although at least on eastbound TATL from East Coast airports there is usually meaningful Dine on the Ground dinner.
      Introducing that WAS thinking from a passenger point of view – allowing a longer sleep on board does work for many of us.

    • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

      The sleeper service has been in place for years.

      Besides yiur flight is before 9pm so unaffected by the changes.

    • Johnny Tabasco says:

      Doesn’t seem like you have read the full details of the changes.

    • TGLoyalty says:

      You’re going to complain your flight is operating as it has for years and was advertised as such when you purchased a ticket?

      • AL says:

        @TGLoyalty Knowing BA, they may well still throw a few Avios and some boilerplate text OP’s way.

  • GB says:

    We are travelling back from Delhi next week; recently the flight has been 9.5hrs, departs 10:50am. Random brunch is bad enough (what a dreadful decision after finally getting the catering up to scratch) but we are dreading an Indian outstation brunch served at about 12:30pm…

  • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

    “This feels like a service change designed by accountants.“

    Please stop making this trite and inane comment.

    It is nonsense to suggest that accountants make these sorts of decisions.

    They don’t.

    • Thywillbedone says:

      Found the accountant! Joking aside, you didn’t read the words on the page…it says it was ‘designed’ by accountants not ‘decided’ by accountants. Big difference.

      • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

        Designed / decided – neither is true.

        • david says:

          Populated by a…? If you dont agree with that or designed then I have a genuine made in China Rolex for sale.

      • Mikeact says:

        So, accountants had/have nothing to do with these changes…is that what you’re actually saying ?

      • Tiger of ham says:

        It’s not come out of the accounts dept it’s the people making these decisions came out of the accounts dept.

    • Chris Jones says:

      Correct accountant detect issues. I’ve never heard an accountant propose a solution to a business issue.

      • Thywillbedone says:

        I’m beginning to wonder what world you lot inhabit …have you ever heard of a cost accountant?!? Are you telling me no accountant anywhere ever took a step back and proposed a solution to a business problem perhaps with the goal of furthering his/her career????

        • AJA says:

          Accountants will have been involved in the process but won’t have proposed the idea any more than they decide which aircraft operate which routes at which time.

          • LittleNick says:

            Even if an accountant was involved in the design this decision can’t be 100% attributed to them, there would have been various internal approval processes for this thing which should have stopped this nonsense getting approved. At the end of the day multiple teams/departments would have given this the sign off and all should be accountable not just accountants who may or may not have come up with the idea

        • Sharon says:

          Yes, cost/management accountants are very different to financial accountants. I know, having sat all of the CIMA exams. This kind of analysis was our bread and butter (pardon the pun).

      • JDB says:

        @Chris Jones – what a ridiculous assertion. I’m most definitely not an accountant but I do know so many who provide brilliant solutions and make excellent leaders, strategic thinkers and CEOs. Have you noticed how many FTSE100 CFOs become CEOs? There’s big demand for multi skilled people.

      • Sharon says:

        Wow, not sure what kind of accountants you have worked with. Probably financial accounts rather than management accountants.

    • Can says:

      Why do we hate accountants in the first place?
      What did I miss?

      • Rob says:

        “People who understand the cost of everything and the value of nothing.”

        • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

          Which is nonsense as well.

          • Joe says:

            Your negativity is a bit over the top.

          • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

            @Joe

            No it’s not. Getting fed up of people just blindly accusing decisions being made by ‘finance’ or accountants when they aren’t in a position to make such decisions.

          • Andy says:

            Agree… if you want people who know the cost of everything look at PE companies who load companies with debt and slash the workforce often ending up with a worse service too

          • Tiger of ham says:

            Your lucky people hate HR more otherwise you would be the most despised dept

        • AJA says:

          Tell me Rob is a sale a sale at the point of delivery or when the customer has paid for it? Or in the case of an airline ticket when the passenger books a ticket or when they actually fly?

          Your comment is as insulting as those who say people who can, do, those who can’t, teach.

          Accountants will have costed the decision to implement this scheme but they will not have come up with the idea alone. Accountants do not decide what time flights depart or what routes are impacted any more than they decide what aircraft will operate them.

          • Rob says:

            It’s a quote, not a statement of opinion!

            However, how many ads do you think a typical HfP page would have if a financial person was in charge? (Instead of, erm, an ex partner in a PE firm!)

          • AJA says:

            But Rob you persist in spreading the ignorance by using the quote giving the impression it is fact. You have evidence of that or not? It may be a quote but it is false.

          • Rob says:

            I did 17 years in the City so I suspect I have some idea. To be honest I see myself as 50% accountant and 50% strategy consultant. HfP is a very tightly run ship of which Sean would be proud and, apart from staff costs, the company runs on under £1,000 per week and that includes the office opposite the Bank of England. None of that impacts our version of ‘customer experience’ though. I suspect many of our corporate readers submit weekly entertaining bills for more than that.

            (An accountant would tell me to close the office. Business Traveller has no office now for example. However, I believe it is culturally important and – more key – we have persuaded some companies to hand over very large sums of cash after a visit to our (shared) boardroom, which is just under the 1 Poultry clock. I can’t prove that with a spreadsheet though.)

          • Charlie says:

            But it is a simple fact that those that can do, and those that can’t teach!! Everyone knows that 🙂

          • Alex G says:

            … and those who can’t teach, teach teachers.

            Told to me by a teacher. Most of whom have a sense of humour!

            Lighten up.

          • EC says:

            Rob is absolutely spot on. Short term share prices (which every CEO and accountant focuses on) are totally irrelevant. Focus on short term and you’ll destroy the long term. The demise of any company

          • Rob says:

            The current Starbucks troubles, of course, being a good example. Boeing too although Starbucks is more relevant, oddly, because its a better example of death by 1,000 cuts.

            *Take all the comfy chairs out and replace with wooden stools – good idea, stops people hanging around
            *Push up prices sharply – good idea, brand strength can support it
            *Encourage mobile web ordering – drive more sales, stops people walking out when they see the queue because they have already paid – but don’t increase store staff or create a system for separating in-store vs app orders or how the two are to be delivered
            *Install new coffee machines – good idea as less work for staff, but they are so high staff cannot see customers and vice versa
            *Save money by not roasting beans on site – good idea but removes the coffee smell from stores

            etc etc.

            None fatal in themselves but cumulatively you are where you are – US store sales down 7% year on year, and that’s after inflation. It’s a double digit drop in real terms.

        • George says:

          IAG’s share price is up 90% over the last year. Whether customers think BA etc represent “value” think doesn’t actually matter as long as they keep spending money with them, which they obviously are

          • Ken says:

            Accountants having a shorter term view than private equity?

            It’s a view I suppose.

            How many adverts would be on the site if you were selling it in 18 months ?

          • Rob says:

            Fewer. Media businesses sell for 5x profits. Financial services businesses sell for 10-15x profits.

          • TGLoyalty says:

            @Rob you have fewer adverts on this site if you were planning to sell in 18 months? Really?

            You sure?

            @AJA there’s no point getting upset about this as there’s % chance that unless the head of in flight catering is an ex accountant there was no one in finance involved in the actual menu.

            Someone in finance may have set a cost down target for all the catering but it wasn’t up to them how it was executed but it’s always nice to say “blame the accountants”

            Tbh the mere fact no one here knows the cost of the meal or the change in quality yet (I haven’t seen a single pic of anything but the chicken) and it looks better than some lunches served pre 15th Oct.

          • Rob says:

            Yes. The day this site looks like a media business (ad supported) and not a finance business (card sale supported) is the day I’m screwed on valuation.

        • TGLoyalty says:

          That’s a bad accountant.

          A great understands that value and try’s to steer the business into making better choice.

          I still find it very hard to believe the person in charge of in flight catering isn’t fully responsible for these changes regardless of what his finance business partner told him to reduce costs by. There’s an article with him waxing lyrical about his new menus

          https://theclub.ba.com/july-2023/en/meet-the-man-behind-your-in-flight-menu/

          And the quality of its ingredients

          • TGLoyalty says:

            This is the person who made all the final decisions.

            But obviously he would have been backed by someone costing if you got 1 more prawn or no avocado etc but still his final decision to decide what goes where and how.

            @Rob you wouldn’t tweak your balance between the two to improve bottom line without going overboard on the ads? You’d leave it exactly as it is today? You’re a more honest man that most.

        • Graeme says:

          Is this the kind of comment we really need? Insults to part of your readership?

    • Oliver Ranson says:

      Hi BA Flyer IHG Stayer. Thank you for your comment – it is a fair criticism and I am sorry if I caused any offence.

      I did not really mean Chartered Accountants, Certified Accountants or Tax Technicians. These professionals are savvy and smart, and know what they are doing.

      I really mean bean counters, but “accountant” sounds more polite. For these individuals, working at an airline is just a job. They do not really care about what they do or the impact it has on their passengers.

      The opposite is “enthusiast”, and there are plenty of “enthusiast” Chartered Accountants working in Finance, Revenue Management, Sales and elsewhere at many airlines.

      Plot a 2×2 matrix of enthusiast/bean counter mindset against high/low skill and you end up with:

      Enthusiast/high technical = great for Finance, RM etc…
      Enthusiast/low technical = great for customer facing roles
      Bean counter/high technical = great for processing roles, e.g. Revenue Accounting
      Bean counter/low technical = dangerous clowns – too many of these and you end up with waffles at 1pm

      • TGLoyalty says:

        You think any of them devised the menu changes?

        • Tiger of ham says:

          There are many people from accounts back ground doing non accountant jobs at BA/IAG they have the wrong background mindset for their new jobs. That’s the the issue.

          If you think people are saying accounts designed the menu. You are clearly letting emotion get ahead of you. Which goes to show you are an accountant. Stick to the numbers. Let the adults make the real decisions with a clear head.
          😁

          • TGLoyalty says:

            Im not the one saying it … the comment I replied to clearly is.

            I don’t know everyone’s background but I know the person that devises the menus isn’t from an accounts background at all …

      • John says:

        >> Bean counter/low technical = dangerous clowns – too many of these and you end up with waffles at 1pm

        I feel like corporate England has a surplus of these clowns — right across public and private sectors.

      • Thywillbedone says:

        Brunchgate fast becoming accountancygate …

      • Littlefish says:

        Great clarification Oliver. Glad to see your article has got so much traction. It speaks so well to what large businesses have sleepwalked in to. This ICAEW accountant sees poor(er) quality governance contributing … the checks and balances miss too much.

      • George says:

        “For these individuals, working at an airline is just a job.”

        Er what? For someone people their job is just a job? Weird comment

  • Bagoly says:

    For long-haul departures between 08:00 and 10:00 my preference would be lunch, but not until two hours into the flight.
    If I have not had something at home, I will have had in the lounge.

    • BSI1978 says:

      Not everyone will have the option of the lounge visit beforehand

      • L Allen says:

        Except… these changes affect the premium cabins which come with lounge access, regardless of status…

        • mkcol says:

          Except, not everyone will have the opportunity of a lounge visit beforehand.

  • Derek says:

    Over on FlyerTalk, it’s clear that BA are generating more frustration in their valuable CW and F customers who they rely on for their margins. Lots of talk of alternative carriers on some routes, switching to earlier departures.. but my favourite comment has to be:

    “But more importantly, the timing is so bizarre. As you say, who drinks wine with a fry up at 2pm?

    As for the offering of a “cheeky” drink on the menu, I presume BA must assume us all to be as moronic as whoever came up with this meal concept.”

  • John says:

    Not that I am in favour of “BA brunch”, but 1245 in the UK is breakfast time in Barbados (0745 or 0845).

    I accept that when you’ve had to wake up at 2 or 3am (Barbados time) to get onto the flight, you wouldn’t want to eat another breakfast at 8am.

    • Paul B says:

      I was going to come and comment this. Whilst I’m not a fan of the service design or the underlying penny pinching the article makes out like brunch at 2pm is horrendous yet at 2pm the very next day virtually everyone on that flight will be eating exactly that!

      • john says:

        Yeah. Change the time when you board to the destination time and then it will help you acclimatise.

  • Simon says:

    Haneda flight is already awful (in all classes) – 15hrs with a meal on take off and 12 hours later at landing (on a day flight), removing more food choice is madness (on a £9,000 flight what difference would it make being £9,010 – people are sensitive to a much larger percentage at that level). Switched my next booking to ANA – penny pinching at these price points is crazy.

    • Johnny Tabasco says:

      A Haneda flight would not be affected though right ?

      • Sharon says:

        BA7 is the early flight but BA5 is the second flight out to HND at 11.50 so narrowly misses brunch.

        • GMT says:

          Do the changes only affect flights less than 12 hours though, did i read that somewhere?

          • TGLoyalty says:

            Yes over 12 hours not affected.

          • Johnny Tabasco says:

            It’s almost as if people aren’t reading the full story before flying in two footed into the comment section.

  • PeterK says:

    To add insult to injury, BA has also removed the afternoon tea service on many westbound departures so brunch will be followed hours later by a filled ciabatta!

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