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Our articles on the new British Airways long-haul brunch and late evening meal changes this week caused a lot of discussion.

Oliver Ranson of Airline Revenue Economics produced an interesting analysis on the changes for his Substack newsletter and I thought it would benefit from a wider audience.

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British Airways brunch and late evening meal changes

As HfP covered this week, British Airways is now offering a brunch service on longhaul flights leaving before 11.29am. The menus look bonkers. As the HfP article showed, you will get:

  • a starter, like smoked salmon, soup or artichoke
  • a breakfast course like waffles or sausage, mushrooms and hash browns
  • chocolate cake, coffee and liqueurs

You can wash your breakfast down with a nice glass of red or white wine if you wish.

As well as the rather strange menu choices, BA has decided that any flight scheduled to leave before 11.29am will get this brunch menu. This choice looks far too late.

To see why, consider Monday’s BA255 flight to Bridgetown, Barbados. Scheduled to depart at 11.25am, this flight will have featured brunch. Operated by Boeing 787-10 G-ZBLG, the flight left more or less on time and was airborne by 11.45am.

It will take the crew about an hour to get everything ready for the service. So passengers will start to eat around 12.45pm. This is time for the full lunch, not brunch. If the flight had been delayed, which is not unusual at Heathrow, passengers would be eating their waffles or sausages at 1pm, 2pm or later.

For the many passengers connecting from Europe, which is generally one hour ahead of London, the brunch service is even less suitable.

British Airways brunch and late evening meal changes

Why has British Airways chosen this model?

Why has BA chosen this bizarre model? Obviously it is down to cost control. But why is the cutover point at 11.29am? I have reverse-engineered their decision, looking at outbound flights from Heathrow.

For simplicity, I have ignored inbound flights and long-haul flights from Gatwick.

Departures leaving before 10.00am might be suitable candidates for brunch. Unfortunately BA simply does not have many long-haul flights leaving that early.

I took the airline’s schedule for 6th November from OAG Schedule Analyser and identified all the long-haul flights departing from Heathrow.

The table below shows that only 1% to 2% of the airline’s long-haul First, Club World and World Traveller Plus (premium economy) capacity departs before 9.00am. In fact, there is just one flight – the early departure to New York JFK.

British Airways departures long haul by time

As you can see, just 14% of First seats and 11.8% of Club World and World Traveller Plus seats are scheduled to leave before 10am.

However, 25% of First seats and 20.7% of Club World and World Traveller Plus seats leave before the 11.29am cut-off.

BA’s reasoning is now arguably clear. A business case to save money by serving brunch was proposed, and management has pushed the service time back until the savings looked good enough. 20% of passengers was their magic number.

At the other end of the day BA is cutting costs too. It is only offering a light meal on flights that leave after 9.00pm. The table compiled from OAG data shows that this change affects 10.5% of First passengers and 12.2% of Club World and World Traveller Plus travellers.

Together, the cost cutting is expected to impact almost exactly one third of premium cabin travellers flying from Heathrow.

A beautiful number like one third is too much of a co-incidence for me to ignore. This feels like a service change designed by accountants.

British Airways brunch and late evening meal changes

Which routes are impacted by these changes?

Choice – in terms of your ability to choose an alternative BA departure with a full meal service – will be eliminated on nine out of 56 long-haul routes on the sample date I looked at.

Six routes will be brunch only: Dallas Fort Worth, Tokyo Haneda, Houston, Lagos, Nassau and Nairobi. On my sample date there are no alternative departures to these cities with a full meal service.

Three routes are only scheduled at times with the late light meal: Abuja, Abu Dhabi and Santiago. Again, on the date I picked there was no alternative BA flight available.

Nine routes will have a choice of brunch or a full meal service depending on which flight you pick. These are Bridgetown, Mumbai, Boston, Delhi, New York Newark, New York JFK, Los Angeles, Miami and Chicago.

Four routes will have a choice of a late light meal or a full meal service depending on which flight you pick. These are Cape Town, Dubai, Johannesburg and Singapore.

All remaining long haul routes fall exclusively into the noon to 9pm window where a standard full meal will be offered.

(Remember that I have looked at one day only. Some routes like Tokyo Haneda have multiple flights on certain days of the week.)

Things might not be so bad on short flights like Abuja and Abu Dhabi. Nairobi will be a disaster as the flight leaves early-ish at 9.45am but due to the long 8:50 flying time and late 9.35pm arrival it completely fills the day. Passengers will want more than a poached egg on toast.

I would hope that the ultra-long flights to Santiago, Singapore and South Africa are fully catered but I will not be surprised if they are not. [HfP edit – we understand that South Africa flights ARE impacted by the reduced catering.]

Overall, I expect the new brunch menu to be a disaster and it will hopefully be a matter of months before BA cancels it. It is not without form here. When a complex trolley based service was introduced in 2018 (image below) it took hours for the service to complete and the idea was terminated quickly.

British Airways brunch and late evening meal changes

Technology is meant to bring us fully personalised airline services

The prognosis for modern airline retailing is terrible. Consider these two conclusions:

  • The 11.29am cut-off point and the resulting optimistic-case 12.45pm service delivery time shows that BA decision-makers either do not understand or do not think through what the service will actually be like in practice
  • The fact that exactly one-third of passengers are impacted shows that service changes are probably designed by or for accountants, not the travelling public

When BA is taking decisions like this, how are they supposed to operate effectively in an offer-order retailing environment?

(HfP edit: ‘offer-order’ is the technical term for the move to fully personalised airline retailing. In theory ba.com would learn from your travel history and intelligently suggest relevant flights and non-flight ancilliaries during the booking flow. Whilst this sounds pretty basic, it is still a big step forward from the current position where airlines still email me asking if I need a hotel in London, despite my trip originally starting here and my loyalty account having a London address on it.)

The standard industry response would be to say that offer-order will be entirely driven by algorithms so it will all be OK. Some people would even say that a simply bad product like BA’s brunch service would not be designed in the offer-order world because data would show passengers would not want it. This misses the point.

Algorithms are designed and monitored according to the priorities of their human controllers. When these priorities are messed up, as the case of brunch shows they will be, the algorithms will simply not work.

Offer-order is seen by airlines mainly as a technical challenge. When it comes to the technical matters I am sure that British Airways’ solutions will be second to none. After all, they have the might of travel IT giant Amadeus behind them. Since they are an Amadeus “driver customer” it is fair to say that what goes down at British Airways will influence the industry.

Unfortunately the case of brunch suggests that the future of offer-order at British Airways may be a disaster because they do not understand what their passengers want. Since BA’s approach to the technology will influence almost every other airline, the future of airline retailing looks dismal for all passengers.

There is a simple solution. Airlines need to train their staff to think like passengers.

Managers should fly several times a year as commercial passengers. They should pay on their own credit card and reclaim expenses like millions of business travellers do.

Unfortunately we all know this will not happen. To fly. To starve.

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  • NorthernLass says:

    Interesting illustration. Say you’re taking your family to Turks and Caicos for Easter – current cash price in CW is £3231.29 pp, so nearly £13k for a family of four. That flights departs at 9.05 am, and total journey time is 12 hours, 25 minutes. NAS is 9 hours 50, so won’t be exempt from the new menu.

    The meal service is calculated on the first leg of that journey, which is to NAS, there is no food offering on the connecting sector (there was a hot sandwich for a short time, but it was enhanced away). So you’re going to get brunch, and an (insubstantial) afternoon tea as your only sustenance in that 12 1/2 hours.

    I can see riots breaking out when the Club Kitchen opens!

    • JDB says:

      Is this actually different from being at home? I don’t have afternoon tea and just eat lunch (probably lighter/less substantial than the new brunch) before dinner 12 hours later. In this flight scenario, I’m sure you will have eaten breakfast, then brunch, then the light tea so that actually seems like quite a lot of eating/food and more than really needed.

      • david says:

        Lets make things easier. Send your daily eating schedule to BA and we’ll work it from there.

        • TGLoyalty says:

          It’s about the average person and the fact is the average person consumes about 2000-2500 calories a day in 3 meals of about 500-700 calories plus snacks/drinks.

          This will meet all of that. If they’re higher protein they’ll lead to higher satiety levels and you should feel fuller for longer. The right fruits and veg would be nutrient dense with lower calories and hopefully been picked for having a low GI.

          No one will starve on about 60% of their daily calories because this is generally your BMR so JDB isn’t wide of the mark when he says this is no different to any other day for the average person especially when it’s one spent nearly entirely on your bum.

      • Simon says:

        In that same 12.5 hours I would have eaten about 2,000 calories usually. My usual breakfast clocks in around 1,000 calories … so yeh I’d be crawling up the walls with hunger. I always bring extra food on a flight so in this case I would just bring more.

        Oh and I’m not over weight, 5ft 10in, 11st 7lbs. I’m just active and hungry.

        • JDB says:

          @Simon – it’s beyond preposterous to say that anyone including yourself would “be crawling up the walls with hunger” as a result of this change which is of course more calorific than before. That’s sort of hyperbole detracts from anything sensible you might have wished to post. You are hardly the only “active” regular weight person that travels and most manage just fine.

          • Simon says:

            Sense of humour failure today then?

            My point is that for the cost of the flights and the length of the example given above this is too little food for many people to be comfortable all flight. Having to bring a packed lunch doesn’t exactly match the Club World promise and when Ryan Air allow you to buy a quite large lasagne ahead of the flight it further dilute BAs “premium” offering.

      • Charlie says:

        You’re so missing the point here, old boy. And I’m probably a couple of decades older than you. Also a bit bizarre that you eat lunch at 12-1pm and dinner at midnight-1am in your ‘umble abode…. 🙂

        • NorthernLass says:

          I think people are also missing the fact that the day will pan out like this:

          1100 – 1200 Brunch onboard
          1600 – 1700 Afternoon tea (nutritionally practically worthless so it doesn’t really satisfy hunger) Served for the convenience of NAS pax.
          2130 – plane lands at PLS
          Calculate at least 1 – 2 hours to clear immigration, collect luggage and transfer to hotel, you’re looking at 12 hours since brunch, which is supposed to be the main meal.
          I can also confirm that having done a similar route to GCM many times, even with the current “full” meal service we’re always starving when we land, simply because of the time between the lunch service and arrival.

          • TGLoyalty says:

            It’s fair but I actually think the issue is no meal on the next short hop rather than your lunch being smaller?

            You eating more at 11 before afternoon tea at 4 isn’t going to change much as you’re still in the same predicament of not having eating since 5ish

          • JDB says:

            @NL – you have conveniently forgotten to mention the large breakfast and alcoholic beverages you regale us with. I’m at a total loss to understand how you can possibly arrive starving. Twelve hours is a standard gap between breakfast and dinner and it has been filled with brunch and tea plus the option of dinner on arrival at the hotel. How much more food does anyone need or would be medically recommended? Are you really eating all this when at home?

        • JDB says:

          @Charlie – I did think readers were bright enough to take breakfast as the starting line with dinner c.12 hours later. Sorry the obvious escaped and that I failed to spell it out.

  • Trevor says:

    When I think “brunch” I think sunday morning lie in – too late for breakfast but too early for lunch

    This is not what happens when I head off on a morning flight.
    It’s an early start, with a bowl of cereals/piece of toast, head to the airport and if all goes well some more breakfast in the lounge.

    When BA says it offers a dining experience fit of “Michelin-starred chefs”, that is what it should strive to deliver. I do not envisage any Michelin starred chefs serving a menu of packaged crackers with feta cheese for starters followed by waffles for main at any time of day, let alone lunch time.

    The best cheese course I’ve had in the air was with Cathay Pacific out of Hong Kong. Silver service in club with a trolley and cheese cut to order. It was restaurant level and something to enjoy.

    If I were flying east, I would not be booking BA unless using a 2 for 1.

    • ken says:

      I heard someone say that “brunch” is an abomination as it cheats you out of a meal.
      And it should start being served before 12pm

      Couldn’t disagree really.

  • Andrew says:

    All of this does make you wonder if anyone actually applies a “common sense” check to any of this. There are examples out there where they could reduce cost and improve service at the same time. I think to my last flight Bahrain to LHR leaving at 0120 and arriving London at 0615. On which flight they served (at least in the cheap seats where I was) a full dinner on take off, and then a breakfast snack before landing.

    I, and I strongly suspect most of the plane, got straight down to sleeping immediately on take off, leaving all the “main” food service to go to waste. I wondered at the time why they didn’t just come round with a midnight “light bite” and then do a full breakfast before landing. But what do I know, I’m only self loading freight… 😉

    • Jonny Price says:

      This is what happens on the Dubai to London that leaves at a similar time (or, at least, it used to happen) – light bite after take off and full breakfast before landing. I’m surpised this isn’t the case on the Bahrain to London flight.

      • Andrew says:

        That would appear reasonable, although I can’t comment on what was/wasn’t served up front which might have followed that pattern. However, it got more absurd in my case as a delayed inbound service resulted in a 4:30am take off and a very mistimed dinner!

  • JDB says:

    This is all great for page views but the substitution of one grotty meal for one of a remarkably similar still poor type doesn’t really seem to merit quite so much excitement, particularly the indignation from those who haven’t experienced the new menus and ridiculous claims about the risk of anyone going hungry.

    • Qrfan says:

      Why are you so insistent on defending what is clearly a change for the worse? Is it life ending? No. But is this service worthy of a product that costs several thousand pounds per person? Very obviously not. When you’re spending 5 figures on a family of 4 “won’t go hungry” doesn’t cut it.

      • Swifty says:

        Yes, why defend the indefensible? It’s a terrible idea. People’s stomachs rush about for 3 to 5 hours before a flight, you get delayed, you get cortisol stress, even when travelling in J , and I can’t eat before 11 most days, when I do, I need actual sustainable foods. I never forget the 4 hour delay going to Istanbul. Served that breakfast meal 4 hours later at 1pm was like eating food from a zombie apocalypse. Stewed doesn’t cover it

        • TGLoyalty says:

          But if you know that’s your reaction to flying don’t you grab extra in the terminal? I know when I’m actually really hungry I don’t really on what’s going to be given onboard and purchase something I’d really want to eat.

          Also Not sure any of this is changing the effects of a 4 hour delay either. Your food will always be slop.

      • JDB says:

        @Qrfan and @Swifty I cannot think why you suggest I’m defending anything. I have simply said that the Club World food is already dire vs other airlines. This changes very little – the food will still be cr&p. I have also said that I would rather have the decent Club Europe food than the old or new CW food.

        The comments are faintly ridiculous also in the context of how many HfP posters eulogise Greggs. Make your mind up.

        However, it’s just embarrassing to read of people planning to complain before they have experienced this apparently terrible ordeal that haven’t yet experienced and the idea that anyone is going to go hungry is frankly so offensive and insensitive to millions of starving people around the world and even a few unfortunates in the UK.

        I think the pack mentality of the comments with only a few independent thinkers is quite disappointing.

        As ever, lots of people like to have a good rant about the slightest change and say they won’t fly BA again but again that’s nonsense in line with the ill considered posts.

        • TGLoyalty says:

          I’ll be booking some flights that have just come up in the sale at exactly the right time as we speak. Because I genuinely don’t see what all the fuss is about.

          I won’t be changing a thing, I’ll still connect from MAN with exactly the same connection time, enjoy any light onboard catering, head to the CCR at T5 then happily hop on my late night flight with its light meal and crack on with enjoying my movie with a few night caps before finally catching some zzz’s.

          I’m 99.9% sure I won’t need to cry myself to sleep because my 4,000 calorie day might now actually be just 3,500.

    • ChrisBCN says:

      You seem to be adding a lot of page views yourself JDB!

      • Jamieboy says:

        JDB is just trolling. The crux of the issue is BA have dumbed down the food offering to FR levels and still expect people to pay high prices. The main problem is people will still pay BA prices and accept this level of service as they are deluded and believe being a Gold card holder actually means something.

        • TGLoyalty says:

          No ones trolling. Everyone has different views.

          Mine is simple no one is going to starve, lounges have plenty of food, connecting flights have catering and a light meal past 10:30pm (by the time it’s served) with harm absolutely no one.

  • Ivy says:

    BA on Twitter @ 10:24:

    “We’re incredibly proud of our premium dining experience. We trialled our new brunch offering with thousands of customers across numerous routes and received extremely positive feedback on both the quality and variety of options offered. Raj”

  • Pip says:

    The supper service seems to mirror that of Qantas when I flew from LAX to Melbourne earlier this year in business.

    That was soup and a bap on departure (with a sliver of pudding) and then breakfast some 10 hours later. And brekkie was exactly what you ticked on the boxes. No tick against an item no item notwithstanding of always expect to get a croissant and jam regardless (as in Swiss in Business).

    I shall know for next time.

  • Rupert Smith says:

    The comment ‘Managers should fly several times a year as commercial passengers. They should pay on their own credit card and reclaim expenses like millions of business travellers do.’ is spot on. In my complaints and survey responses to BA I have said this on numerous occasions including travelling on competing airlines like Qatar.

    Unfortunatley the issue is indemic as management at BA is probably made up of people who either just left Uni and therefore have no life / job experience or have been brought in from some unrelated industry or been a ‘REMF’ (military term – look it up) in the airline industry. Sean Doyle is a case in point. He came into the airline industry as a financial analyst and has ended up running BA. I can’t think of any premium business that were created by bean counters, apart from perhaps one for that purpose. You need to have passion for what you are selling. Simple as that.

    • anouj says:

      Do you seriously think BA is making people who just graduated managers, let alone giving them any semblance of authority to make such changes.

      • Nick says:

        Actually, yes. Maybe not ‘just graduated’, but there are plenty 5-7 years in who are made senior managers, largely because they’ve been ‘moulded’ to be yes-people and they can’t afford anyone else at the right level from outside. It’s actually one of the best grad schemes for that reason, if you’re mediocre then you’ll be promoted far beyond where you would anywhere else. There are a few apprentices in the same position – people who boasted about failing their A levels when they joined now (badly) heading major departments with big teams and sizeable budgets.

        • LittleNick says:

          If what you say is true, it’s a bit of a sad state of affairs

        • Sharon says:

          This happened at Thames Water some years ago when all the experienced people were booted out in favour of the young high flyers. Look how that has ended…..

  • Alex Jackson says:

    Any news on the ultra long haul post 9pm departures? Singapore and Santiago? Will these be excluded from the light meal?

    • Rob says:

      Apparently so.

      • Mark says:

        What about Buenos Aires (16h40), given that it stops in Rio (11h45)? 🙂

        • TGLoyalty says:

          So you get a meal between Rio and Buenos Aires?

          • TGLoyalty says:

            Do*

          • JDB says:

            @TGLoyalty – I would hesitate to call it a “meal” now. In the olden days when it was 747 service, there was a proper meal. Now it’s a hot panini with unknown but oily and salty edible content. Fortunately Iberia enables one to sidestep that with an earlier arrival in BsAs so there’s time to get to ones hotel and enjoy a fine lunch.

          • TGLoyalty says:

            That’s good to know I might be trying Iberia to BsAs in 2025 then.

            I can’t say I was a massive fan of the meal/service when I took Iberia to Bogotá but I couldn’t argue with the price or the timings.

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