Maximise your Avios, air miles and hotel points

Brunchgate: How many flyers are impacted by BA’s morning and evening meal changes?

Links on Head for Points may support the site by paying a commission.  See here for all partner links.

Our articles on the new British Airways long-haul brunch and late evening meal changes this week caused a lot of discussion.

Oliver Ranson of Airline Revenue Economics produced an interesting analysis on the changes for his Substack newsletter and I thought it would benefit from a wider audience.

You can see other articles by Oliver, and sign up to receive Oliver’s future articles by email, here. Click ‘No thanks’ on that page to bypass the sign-up page if you just want to read his other content.

We have edited this article slightly from its original format and any errors or typos may be ours. Over to Oliver ….

British Airways brunch and late evening meal changes

As HfP covered this week, British Airways is now offering a brunch service on longhaul flights leaving before 11.29am. The menus look bonkers. As the HfP article showed, you will get:

  • a starter, like smoked salmon, soup or artichoke
  • a breakfast course like waffles or sausage, mushrooms and hash browns
  • chocolate cake, coffee and liqueurs

You can wash your breakfast down with a nice glass of red or white wine if you wish.

As well as the rather strange menu choices, BA has decided that any flight scheduled to leave before 11.29am will get this brunch menu. This choice looks far too late.

To see why, consider Monday’s BA255 flight to Bridgetown, Barbados. Scheduled to depart at 11.25am, this flight will have featured brunch. Operated by Boeing 787-10 G-ZBLG, the flight left more or less on time and was airborne by 11.45am.

It will take the crew about an hour to get everything ready for the service. So passengers will start to eat around 12.45pm. This is time for the full lunch, not brunch. If the flight had been delayed, which is not unusual at Heathrow, passengers would be eating their waffles or sausages at 1pm, 2pm or later.

For the many passengers connecting from Europe, which is generally one hour ahead of London, the brunch service is even less suitable.

British Airways brunch and late evening meal changes

Why has British Airways chosen this model?

Why has BA chosen this bizarre model? Obviously it is down to cost control. But why is the cutover point at 11.29am? I have reverse-engineered their decision, looking at outbound flights from Heathrow.

For simplicity, I have ignored inbound flights and long-haul flights from Gatwick.

Departures leaving before 10.00am might be suitable candidates for brunch. Unfortunately BA simply does not have many long-haul flights leaving that early.

I took the airline’s schedule for 6th November from OAG Schedule Analyser and identified all the long-haul flights departing from Heathrow.

The table below shows that only 1% to 2% of the airline’s long-haul First, Club World and World Traveller Plus (premium economy) capacity departs before 9.00am. In fact, there is just one flight – the early departure to New York JFK.

British Airways departures long haul by time

As you can see, just 14% of First seats and 11.8% of Club World and World Traveller Plus seats are scheduled to leave before 10am.

However, 25% of First seats and 20.7% of Club World and World Traveller Plus seats leave before the 11.29am cut-off.

BA’s reasoning is now arguably clear. A business case to save money by serving brunch was proposed, and management has pushed the service time back until the savings looked good enough. 20% of passengers was their magic number.

At the other end of the day BA is cutting costs too. It is only offering a light meal on flights that leave after 9.00pm. The table compiled from OAG data shows that this change affects 10.5% of First passengers and 12.2% of Club World and World Traveller Plus travellers.

Together, the cost cutting is expected to impact almost exactly one third of premium cabin travellers flying from Heathrow.

A beautiful number like one third is too much of a co-incidence for me to ignore. This feels like a service change designed by accountants.

British Airways brunch and late evening meal changes

Which routes are impacted by these changes?

Choice – in terms of your ability to choose an alternative BA departure with a full meal service – will be eliminated on nine out of 56 long-haul routes on the sample date I looked at.

Six routes will be brunch only: Dallas Fort Worth, Tokyo Haneda, Houston, Lagos, Nassau and Nairobi. On my sample date there are no alternative departures to these cities with a full meal service.

Three routes are only scheduled at times with the late light meal: Abuja, Abu Dhabi and Santiago. Again, on the date I picked there was no alternative BA flight available.

Nine routes will have a choice of brunch or a full meal service depending on which flight you pick. These are Bridgetown, Mumbai, Boston, Delhi, New York Newark, New York JFK, Los Angeles, Miami and Chicago.

Four routes will have a choice of a late light meal or a full meal service depending on which flight you pick. These are Cape Town, Dubai, Johannesburg and Singapore.

All remaining long haul routes fall exclusively into the noon to 9pm window where a standard full meal will be offered.

(Remember that I have looked at one day only. Some routes like Tokyo Haneda have multiple flights on certain days of the week.)

Things might not be so bad on short flights like Abuja and Abu Dhabi. Nairobi will be a disaster as the flight leaves early-ish at 9.45am but due to the long 8:50 flying time and late 9.35pm arrival it completely fills the day. Passengers will want more than a poached egg on toast.

I would hope that the ultra-long flights to Santiago, Singapore and South Africa are fully catered but I will not be surprised if they are not. [HfP edit – we understand that South Africa flights ARE impacted by the reduced catering.]

Overall, I expect the new brunch menu to be a disaster and it will hopefully be a matter of months before BA cancels it. It is not without form here. When a complex trolley based service was introduced in 2018 (image below) it took hours for the service to complete and the idea was terminated quickly.

British Airways brunch and late evening meal changes

Technology is meant to bring us fully personalised airline services

The prognosis for modern airline retailing is terrible. Consider these two conclusions:

  • The 11.29am cut-off point and the resulting optimistic-case 12.45pm service delivery time shows that BA decision-makers either do not understand or do not think through what the service will actually be like in practice
  • The fact that exactly one-third of passengers are impacted shows that service changes are probably designed by or for accountants, not the travelling public

When BA is taking decisions like this, how are they supposed to operate effectively in an offer-order retailing environment?

(HfP edit: ‘offer-order’ is the technical term for the move to fully personalised airline retailing. In theory ba.com would learn from your travel history and intelligently suggest relevant flights and non-flight ancilliaries during the booking flow. Whilst this sounds pretty basic, it is still a big step forward from the current position where airlines still email me asking if I need a hotel in London, despite my trip originally starting here and my loyalty account having a London address on it.)

The standard industry response would be to say that offer-order will be entirely driven by algorithms so it will all be OK. Some people would even say that a simply bad product like BA’s brunch service would not be designed in the offer-order world because data would show passengers would not want it. This misses the point.

Algorithms are designed and monitored according to the priorities of their human controllers. When these priorities are messed up, as the case of brunch shows they will be, the algorithms will simply not work.

Offer-order is seen by airlines mainly as a technical challenge. When it comes to the technical matters I am sure that British Airways’ solutions will be second to none. After all, they have the might of travel IT giant Amadeus behind them. Since they are an Amadeus “driver customer” it is fair to say that what goes down at British Airways will influence the industry.

Unfortunately the case of brunch suggests that the future of offer-order at British Airways may be a disaster because they do not understand what their passengers want. Since BA’s approach to the technology will influence almost every other airline, the future of airline retailing looks dismal for all passengers.

There is a simple solution. Airlines need to train their staff to think like passengers.

Managers should fly several times a year as commercial passengers. They should pay on their own credit card and reclaim expenses like millions of business travellers do.

Unfortunately we all know this will not happen. To fly. To starve.

You can see other articles from Airline Revenue Economics, and sign up to receive future articles by email, here.


How to earn Avios from UK credit cards

How to earn Avios from UK credit cards (April 2025)

As a reminder, there are various ways of earning Avios points from UK credit cards.  Many cards also have generous sign-up bonuses!

In February 2022, Barclaycard launched two exciting new Barclaycard Avios Mastercard cards with a bonus of up to 25,000 Avios. You can apply here.

You qualify for the bonus on these cards even if you have a British Airways American Express card:

Barclaycard Avios Plus card

Barclaycard Avios Plus Mastercard

Get 25,000 Avios for signing up and an upgrade voucher at £10,000 Read our full review

Barclaycard Avios card

Barclaycard Avios Mastercard

Get 5,000 Avios for signing up and an upgrade voucher at £20,000 Read our full review

There are two official British Airways American Express cards with attractive sign-up bonuses:

British Airways American Express Premium Plus

30,000 Avios and the famous annual 2-4-1 voucher Read our full review

British Airways American Express

5,000 Avios for signing up and an Economy 2-4-1 voucher for spending £15,000 Read our full review

You can also get generous sign-up bonuses by applying for American Express cards which earn Membership Rewards points. These points convert at 1:1 into Avios.

American Express Preferred Rewards Gold

Your best beginner’s card – 30,000 points, FREE for a year & four airport lounge passes Read our full review

The Platinum Card from American Express

80,000 bonus points and great travel benefits – for a large fee Read our full review

Run your own business?

We recommend Capital on Tap for limited companies. You earn 1 Avios per £1 which is impressive for a Visa card, and the standard card is FREE. Capital on Tap cards also have no FX fees.

Capital on Tap Visa

NO annual fee, NO FX fees and points worth 1 Avios per £1 Read our full review

Capital on Tap Pro Visa

10,500 points (=10,500 Avios) plus good benefits Read our full review

There is also a British Airways American Express card for small businesses:

British Airways American Express Accelerating Business

30,000 Avios sign-up bonus – plus annual bonuses of up to 30,000 Avios Read our full review

There are also generous bonuses on the two American Express Business cards, with the points converting at 1:1 into Avios. These cards are open to sole traders as well as limited companies.

American Express Business Platinum

50,000 points when you sign-up and an annual £200 Amex Travel credit Read our full review

American Express Business Gold

20,000 points sign-up bonus and FREE for a year Read our full review

Click here to read our detailed summary of all UK credit cards which earn Avios. This includes both personal and small business cards.

Comments (413)

This article is closed to new comments. Feel free to ask your question in the HfP forums.

  • Peter U says:

    Do I get a refund of some fare if I’m travelling club to CT and get a snack instead of a full dinner service, which after tolerating T5 at night is needed very much.

    • Rob says:

      Yes, you get £50 to £100 of BA vouchers if you complain.

    • TGLoyalty says:

      I’m assuming you mean Connecticut and therefore BDL? BA fly there direct?

      What’s the issue with T5 at night? It’s a breeze.

      • Mark says:

        Cape Town I imagine.

        • TGLoyalty says:

          Ah CPT then

          The flight leaves at 10:30pm with all the will in the world you’re not eating the onboard meal until close to midnight. Surely you’ve eaten something in the lounge and ready for bed at most a snack.

          • Leigh says:

            My word will you give it a rest, do you work for BA given the insane amount of posts today? What about people connecting, what about people working late and arriving at the airport late, what about people crossing timezones and their bodies being out of whack anyway?

            This has already been pointed out so many, the trolling now is off the charts. What next, remove all the alcohol because what sane person should be drinking champagne at midnight on a Monday night?!

          • TGLoyalty says:

            What’s my number of posts got to do with you? Also it was a reply to a specific post.

            Firstly those connecting have probably just had a meal in the last couple of houses unless it’s from a long haul flight which I very much doubt the OP was.

            Different time zones having an impact? Unless they’re coming from the east on a long haul it’s even more baffling as your body thinks it’s even later into the night.

            Arriving so late they have 0 time to visit the lounge I would assume they would have the foresight to eat while they were working late because there is 0 chance you’re waiting for your midnight meal.

            The fact is some in here are looking for reasons to complain about something that has very little real world impact. None to near enough none.

            I can see the argument re brunch but the late night dinner complaints are absolute nonsense.

          • TGLoyalty says:

            *that was west not east. In which case you would have had proper meal(s) to be landing in time for a 10:30pm flight. No one is coming from the far east to LHR to connect to CPT.

            I can’t think of a single example in Europe where your body clock will be so messed up it would be anything but the middle of the night.

          • JDB says:

            Actually @Leigh he’s right – this is all the most humongous fuss about absolutely nothing and as a newbie poster you have elected to join the pack of dogs rather than offer a considered and sensible opinion.

          • Leigh says:

            Geez it’s getting a little unhinged isn’t it. Let’s see who’s looking sensible when BA unwind these changes soon.

            These service changes anyway are more validation why I fly anyone but BA and use Avios on any other OneWorld airline.

            I’ve been following this blog for what feels like a decade, probably more – I don’t appreciate language like you’ve used. Log off and get out and enjoy the sun.

          • Ade says:

            I don’t think anyone is saying they aren’t capable of planning ahead now that they know this information, and eating in the lounge first or getting to the airport earlier in order to have time to eat. And I am sure most people will now adjust their plan to make sure they eat enough before the flight. What I imagine most people (and myself) are annoyed at is the fact that we paid a huge amount of money for CW seats, which were advertised as having a full course meal, so I wanted to enjoy the experience of what I paid for. Changing the rules mid-game, forcing people to just accept it and finding reasons to make them out to be the bad guys for complaining is what infuriates us. I chose a London-Singapore flight that leaves at 9:10 PM, paid for a lie flat seat and a promised 3 course meal, I want my meal thank you very much. I am allowed to be disappointed in the way this has been rolled out. It would be a whole other story if they announced in advance, for future bookings, so people know what to expect. But currently their website is still lying about Business Class getting a 3 course meal.

          • TGLoyalty says:

            @Ade your Singapore flight is unaffected by any of these changes as it’s over 12 hours long.

            But I would say the BA site is very non-descript about what you actually get on board list “meal” on the purchase page and then the Club World page is very generic. The reality is and always has been that different flights are slightly different. Some are designated sleeper services mostly from the west and Middle East where you actually get very little on board and meals were always variable based on departure time.

            I’d say Consistency isn’t a word you’d associate with CW meals the last few years. Some are great others are terrible.

          • Sam says:

            You’re missing the point here

            a) Not everyone enjoys lounge food. I couldn’t imagine I would enjoy the Club Europe catering from DO&CO as much as the chicken tikka masala that are virtually unchanged in the last 10 years at Galleries lounge. I do want my meal experience and this is the reason I travel in CW/CE. If I’m just looking to not stave, then I may as well fly with Ryanair and eat a sandwich on the train. Your assumption does not make sense.

            b) I always skip the airport lounge when I travel. How are you supposed to assume everyone should arrive early and eat at the lounge when this is clearly not the case for everyone?

            BA is getting rid of the full meal and it’s bad. End of. Let’s just stop dismissing the impacts and finding excuses.

  • James Bond 007 says:

    BA now stands for ‘Breakfast Airways’?

  • Susan says:

    Does WTP still get the CW main course offering? In which case all these pax will presumably also be getting the weird brunch thingy.

  • jimboandthejetset says:

    Top content Rob and Oliver, thanks.

  • ed_fly says:

    I see on flyertalk, and subsequently quoted on pyok, that Ba are ‘in the process of scoping some adjustments to the recent changes’.

  • Pockets says:

    So… it sounds like the brunch flights will be cheaper than the full meal flights then? I can’t wait to book the cheaper flights and bring my own food aboard! Thanks BA! ..hahaha

  • Joe says:

    “Managers should fly several times a year as commercial passengers. They should pay on their own credit card and reclaim expenses like millions of business travellers do.”

    This doesn’t happen? I know this shouldn’t surprise me. But this feels like an absolute basic. They should also fly on competitors.

    • Rob says:

      Doesn’t happen. I always ask BA managers at events.

      • LittleNick says:

        @Rob do you know if anyone at BA of note reads/listens/takes feedback from the BA Future Lab or is that just a marketing gimmick?

      • meta says:

        I always remember my first F flight ever (it was on BA) and the purser asked me whether I have flown other airlines in F. When I said this is my first one, she offered ‘hope it’s your last one with BA, just book with other airlines!’ I didn’t understand what she was on about, but a few years later I knew she was right.

    • RussellH says:

      My own family experience is rail travel rather than air travel, but the same rule should apply. (Managers should travel several times a year as commercial passengers). Not always popular with the more junior staff, though, when they find the boss phoning to say that there is such-and-such a problem on such-and-such a train, currently at such-and-such a station, and I expect it to get sorted. And will check. It did get things done, though.

  • Marv says:

    Actually I wouldn’t mind so much if BA was capable of having the odd on-time and non-cancelled flight. Of the last ten I’ve taken: 2 cancelled at last minute, 7 late by 1-3 hours, 1 on time (miracle!). Short-haul economy snack: 10 grams of corn, 200 ml water. No clear vision. Obsession bordering on mania with cutting costs. Run by a bunch of goons. If you decide to fly them long-haul, bring your own food. I had this epiphany when recently flying them and was given a voucher because they had a catering problem. Why don’t I always do this? The airport sushi bought with the voucher a million times better than their catering. Will I miss their food when I fly on an 11 h 40 minute flight to GRU leaving at 22:30? Absolutely not. What are my expectations every time I fly BA? Zero. So this initiative is good because it reinforces customers’ view of BA as a terrible airline one flies out of necessity, not choice. At least they are sending out some kind of consistent message this way. Result.

This article is closed to new comments. Feel free to ask your question in the HfP forums.

The UK's biggest frequent flyer website uses cookies, which you can block via your browser settings. Continuing implies your consent to this policy. Our privacy policy is here.