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News in brief:

Can you beat two tier points from a transatlantic flight?

Yesterday we showed you a screenshot from someone who had earned 3 British Airways Club tier points and 24 Avios from a one-way flight between London and New York.

There were snorts of derision from some readers …. who thought the person involved should have been grateful for doing so well.

Reader James sent in a similar screenshot from a London to New York economy flight.

As you can see, he managed to earn 13 Avios and 2 tier points, leaving him just 19,998 short of retaining his Gold status ….

Virgin Points / Clubcard conversion bonus launched

Virgin Red has brought back the exceptionally generous offer it ran twice last year for activating auto-conversion from Tesco Clubcard.

You will receive 5,000 bonus Virgin Points if you switch your Tesco Clubcard account to auto-convert points to either Virgin Flying Club or Virgin Red.

In addition, to celebrate Clubcard’s 30th birthday, one auto-converter will win 1 million Virgin Points. There’s also 100,000 Virgin Points for five runners-up.  Anyone who is already on auto-convert will be automatically entered.

5,000 Virgin Points is an exceptionally generous deal and there is no logical reason for not doing this if you qualify.

We’d value 5,000 Virgin Points at £50 if used for premium cabin flights, and in the worse case scenario you can order £25-worth of bits and pieces from the Virgin Red app.

Before you do anything, please note:

  • this bonus is for setting up a conversion into either Virgin Red or Virgin Flying Club – to go via Virgin Red, you will need to have downloaded the Virgin Red app to your phone and – if applicable – linked it to your Virgin Flying Club account to pool the points
  • you do not qualify for the bonus if you currently, or at any time in the past, have received a bonus for activating auto-convert into Virgin Flying Club
  • you will need to have 250 Clubcard points in your account on 20th July, which may require you to divert some of your supermarket or petrol shopping to Tesco in the next few weeks (1 point per £1 in-store, 1 point per 2 litres of fuel)

How do you set up your Clubcard account to auto-convert to Virgin Atlantic or Virgin Red?

To turn on auto-convert, you need to visit the Clubcard website here.

Sign in to your account and click on ‘Clubcard Account’.  Select ‘Clubcard Management’ and then ‘Voucher Schemes’.  From this page you can select the “Virgin Points” box to enable auto-exchange.

Here are the rules for getting the 5,000 Virgin Points:

  • you must not have received a bonus for turning on auto-convert to Virgin Flying Club in the past
  • you must activate auto-convert to Virgin Flying Club or Virgin Red by 20th July 2025
  • you must have at least 250 Tesco Clubcard points in your account on 20th July 2025, which is the next cut-off date for transfers to Virgin Points
  • you must keep auto-convert activated until at least 20th July 2025
  • your 5,000 bonus Virgin Points will be awarded later (usually 6-8 weeks)

Is it worth auto-converting Clubcard points to Virgin Points?

The days of lucrative offers from other Tesco Clubcard partners seem to be over.  5,000 Virgin Points is a VERY good incentive – you’d usually need to spend £2,500 in Tesco to earn £25 of Clubcard vouchers to receive 5,000 Virgin Points.

On this basis, assuming you’d only generate a few pounds of vouchers per quarter, you are far better off activating auto-convert for a while and seeing how it goes.

You can see details of this new Tesco / Virgin Points bonus on the Virgin Flying Club / Tesco Clubcard page here.

Earn double Virgin Points with Virgin Trains Ticketing

Earn double Virgin Points with Virgin Trains Ticketing

In 2021 Virgin Red launched a new way of letting you earn Virgin Points – its own train ticket booking platform called Virgin Trains Ticketing. It was originally part of the Virgin Red app but is now a standalone smartphone app.

It is a very simple structure:

  • you earn 3 Virgin Points per £1 spent
  • there are no booking fees

Until 30th June, you will receive double rewards – 6 Virgin Points per £1 spent. Your ticket can be for travel at any future date.

As long as the rail company you are using does not have exclusive discounts for users of its own website, you will be getting the same price as you would pay elsewhere.

Virgin Trains Ticketing also offers split tickets, so you could actually pay less than booking direct – although you may need to swap seats part-way through your trip. The company claims that split ticketing saves an average of £14.

However, at the moment LNER is offering 5% to 10% cashback on many American Express cards and some Mastercard / Visa cards. You can use the LNER website to book tickets for any train company.

Most Uber users will have an offer for 5% back in Uber credit for train tickets booked via the app, and this includes Eurostar.

If you don’t have access to an LNER offer, and especially if you don’t have access to a 10% offer, Virgin Trains Ticketing should be competitive.

Comments (74)

  • FCP says:

    Was it only a one way? How many points were awarded on the other leg?
    As YQ tax, the carrier surcharge also earns tier points I think it’s impossible to only earn 2 points?

    • Barrel for Scraping says:

      That’s what I was saying yesterday. This sort of shoddy clickbait journalism doesn’t belong here. Yes BAC is a barrel of crap now but overall you need to look at the earnings for the whole booking as each segment isn’t priced individually.

      A decent article would be looking at *why* so few points posted, how many they got for the whole trip and whether there’s anything they missed out on that could have improved it such as opting into the bonus offer.

      Also the time spent collating nonsense like this would be better spent writing about alternatives to BAC within oneworld.

      • JDB says:

        It’s quite noticeable now that there are some who continue to catastrophize about BAC (as they have with previous changes) while others accept that it’s happened and are focussing on addressing the issue if it affects and/or bothers them.

    • L Allen says:

      Low YQ fares are entirely possible. I said this yesterday. I know people who have earned very similar nTP. Also, why does it matter if it’s a return flight or not, BA have always calculated tier points per leg.

      • Pat says:

        Only if it’s a fuel dump, in that case, are people so thick to send that to Rob to post?
        The £3 fare basis has huge YQ that all earns TP and Avios. This is one of those fares and I bet it’s ex-US?
        The other leg will likely post with the correct Avios including the YQ. It might be a default system behaviour on trip completion to avoid awarding the TPs and Avios if the ticket is no-showed.
        Yesterday’s post was BS as he was booking Y, B, H fares.

      • AJA says:

        @L Allen the reason it matters whether this is a return flight is that there are carrier imposed charges which are also eligible for nTP but they won’t be split equally across outbound and inbound flights. See my post further down which shows a similar o class return flight with underlying base fare under £11 each way. On the outbound sector you would only earn 11TP but the majority of the TP is earned on the return flight. The screenshot above only shows part of the picture.

  • John says:

    Why credit these flights (discounted economy) to BA at all? Even if you still want BA status these flights aren’t going to make a dent in it and you’d get more avios in AY or QR

    • Erico1875 says:

      Even though the total once the RTN is added will be a lot higher,, makes good headline

    • Phillip says:

      Maybe not everyone who wants to take advantage of status benefits can be bothered to go through the faff of changing where they credit the flights at the last minute?

    • L Allen says:

      Easier to get the status benefits as it’s a faff to change your FF number in the booking. Sometimes lounge dragons don’t allow access with your BAC card

  • Erico1875 says:

    LNER doesn’t do split ticketing, a recent search, the difference for to NCL to Brighton, was £+£70 more than the trainline

    • John says:

      It does but only on itineraries involving LNER

      • John says:

        I mean itineraries involving only LNER

        • Dubious says:

          However, LNER website and app do not always show all LNER train options…

          …so you can find yourself over paying if you rely on them.

          • John says:

            True but if you really care you have to check several websites and also devoted many hours to learning the intricacies of the GB train fare system

      • Danny says:

        LNER scrapped this on its website last year.

  • Lumma says:

    There’s nothing to stop you checking your journey via Virgin Trains Ticketing to see if there’s a cheaper option then booking the separate tickets on LNER if there is.

    I’ve never found that it makes much of a difference either. For London to Sunderland, my most common long distance journey, it’s only ever worked when it separates the Newcastle to Sunderland leg and even then it saves about a quid

    • The real Swiss Tony says:

      Split ticketing is a strange beast, which in my experience is a lot less valuable if you start or finish in London.

    • Throwawayname says:

      For Manchester Airport to BHX next week via Crewe, you can buy a First Advance through ticket for a bargain £103.50 or split into a £3.20 second class advance to Crewe (no first class available on Northern), a £30.30 Off-peak First Single to Wolverhampton, and an £11.40 Anytime 1st Single from there. That’s a 57% saving to travel on the exact same trains, plus you get flexible timings for the longer part of the journey (even if your flight’s late, the anytime single for the first train is £15 or so, therefore you only risk £12 instead of £100+).

    • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

      I’ve looked at split ticketing for my regular Brighton – Manchester trips.

      The split options either involve extra changes (actual changes because of the routing) and extended time.

      The via London savings are basically separate tickets without the bus or tube transfer between stations (which are included on through tickets) and so in the end are actually more expensive!

      • Mike Fish says:

        Then you are doing it wrong. Split ticket is exactly what the phrase says, not doing a different journey. I did a Manchester to Bournemouth and the First Return was nearly £400 whereas using split tickets it was £200 and something. Big difference when you are 2x that for 2 people.

        • Throwawayname says:

          Exactly as @Mike Fish says. I should’ve clarified in my example that the Crewe-BHX train is direct, there’s no need to disembark, change seats etc, and you’re fully entitled to the lounge access (at both ends) and onboard snacks and drinks available in first class.

  • JDB says:

    Maybe it’s changed, but O class fares used to be consolidator fares, so lucky they earned/earn any TP or Avios if that’s the case. Seeing now two (old) gold member screenshots of O class travellers seem to suggest BA was on the right tack with these changes.

    • Stu N says:

      Wrong. O has, for as long as I’ve been flying BA, one of the discounted economy buckets. It used to earn 5TPs on domestics and short haul. Probably still does post changes.

      • JDB says:

        That doesn’t mean O doesn’t include consolidator/OTA fares. One way or another it’s one of the very lowest fares.

        • Stu N says:

          But they are not only consolidator fares, and your assertion you were lucky to earn on them is incorrect.

          In the old TP earning structure, O and Q were the lowest open market fare buckets and G was group fares – all earned minimum TPs.

          My work travel often had at least one O or Q class fare in it. Coming from the flat 20TPs strucure it used to annoy me having a total that ended in a 5, even more so when lifetime tier points ended in 0 and annual in 5.

    • RC says:

      O class is publicly available.
      Clearly price sensitive customers don’t ‘deserve’ anything since they are ‘lucky’ to earn.
      And there is the linguistic leakage (‘lucky’) of typical British classism.

  • Geek says:

    Re the Tier Points – Most other loyalty schemes avoid awarding such proportionally low amounts as it actually de-incentivises the customer – they feel demoralised (or frankly insulted).

    What this means is that customers either move to another company or just give up on the loyalty scheme – they don’t bother inputting their loyalty details at purchase, or purchase via an intermediary. Net result is lost sales, or lost valuable data about buying patterns.

    A badly run scheme is actually a business risk.

    • Richie says:

      Yes, it would’ve been easy to have had a minimum number of nTPs per flight sector.

  • BSI1978 says:

    As well as the bonus points referenced above, my Tesco app seems to be offering 200x Virgin points per my reward points.

    Is that a usual multiplier for these two? I don’t often collect Virgin points but seems rather high.

  • AJA says:

    @Rob I think you’ve got this the wrong way around, you write: “‘Reader James sent in a similar screenshot from a London to New York economy flight.”

    The screenshot shows the flight number BA178 which was from New York to London.

    As others have said I think we need to look at the TP earned for the entire reservation.

    • AJA says:

      Further to my post above I searched itamatrix and found an “O” class return fare on BA starting in JFK to LHR departing 1 October 2025 for 5 nights. The total fare is £464.42. The underlying fare is only £10.72 each way. The Tier Point eligible fare including carrier imposed charges is £268.74 [10.72+10.72+239.90+7.40]. The remaining £196 making up the rest of the fare is UK and US government taxes meaning the fare earns “only” 269TP. To earn Gold with BA that means you’d have to do 75 return flights.

      Under the old scheme this fare would have earned a total of 20TP which would have required 75 return flights to earn Gold. Not sure where the unfairness of the new scheme comes from?

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