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Virgin news: what’s up with Seoul?, big rise in redemption taxes for US members

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Two bits of Virgin Atlantic news:

What’s happening to the Seoul route?

Odd things are happening with Virgin Atlantic’s long promised route to Seoul.

As we covered here, tickets went on sale in May 2025 with flights scheduled from next March.

However, the Virgin Atlantic website now says:

“Seoul’s calling – just not quite yet. We’re gearing up to launch new flights to Seoul from 29th March 2026. While we’re putting the final touches in place, sales are on pause. We’ll be up and running again soon, and can’t wait to welcome you onboard.”

We asked Virgin Atlantic and it told us that ticket sales had been temporarily suspended whilst they seek the necessary South Korean permit approvals and that they would be back shortly.

Even without this assurance, the chance that Virgin Atlantic is going to pull this route before it launches is slim (unlike Accra, Sao Paulo ….), purely because it is an opportunity to pick up valuable Heathrow slots.

In March 2023 Virgin Atlantic gave a binding agreement to the UK Competition & Markets Authority to launch flights to Seoul. This was part of a deal to allow UK Government approval of the Korean Air and Asiana merger.

The route MUST launch or Korean Air and Asiana are in breach of their merger obligations. If Virgin Atlantic does pull out, Korean Air will need to offer generous incentives to other airlines to launch flights. Korean Air will provide the necessary slots at Heathrow and Incheon.

If Virgin Atlantic operates the remedy flights to Seoul for the next three years, as it has agreed to, it will be gifted the Heathrow slots to use as it wishes. However much money it might lose flying to Seoul for three years, it should be less than the value of a Heathrow slot pair.

The bottom line is that these flights are likely to stick around for at least three years.

Assuming there is no change to the previously announced times, flights will start on 29th March 2026 with a daily service operating on a Boeing 787-9 (still with the old 2003-vintage Upper Class cabins….). The flight times are as follows:

  • VS208 departs Heathrow at 09:45 and arrives in Seoul at 06:05 the following morning (night flight)
  • VS209 departs Seoul at 08:35 and arrives in London at 15:05 (day flight)

…. not that you can book at the moment!

Virgin Atlantic Korean

Virgin Flying Club hikes redemption taxes for US members

Historically, both British Airways and Virgin Atlantic ripped off US-based members when it came to taxes and charges on redemption tickets.

Call it karma, call it levelling the playing field, call it whatever you want. It was good news if you lived in the UK.

Because it is simply too easy to build up crazy amounts of miles with US credit card bonuses (the typical miles and points heavy hitter in the US will have around 30 active credit cards), US residents dominated demand for premium seats transatlantic.

(Here’s a 2015 article from a US blogger showing how you could earn 1.2 million Virgin Points very quickly from card sign-ups to redeem for a Necker Island holiday.)

When British Airways introduced Reward Flight Saver fixed charges for long haul redemptions, it was US members who benefitted the most because the playing field was now level.

Similarly, when Virgin Atlantic moved to dynamic redemption pricing last October, the big winners were US flyers.

Virgin Flying Club did two things:

  • it equalised the taxes and charges paid by US and non-US members, to the greater benefit of US members
  • it started to flex taxes and charges based on the points price, so a cheap ticket on an off-peak date also came with low surcharges

In what may be a positive move for UK residents, it’s game over for those in the US.

US residents (more accurately, those starting a trip in the US) no longer get discounted taxes and charges when booking the cheapest Virgin Atlantic reward flights.

Let me show you what I mean.

This is what a UK resident sees when booking London – New York – London:

Virgin Flying Club hikes redemption taxes for US members

As you can see, the taxes and charges in Upper Class start low(er) and go up as the number of points needed goes up.

This is what a US resident sees when booking New York – London – New York:

Virgin Flying Club hikes redemption taxes for US members

The taxes and charges figure in Upper Class is $1,583 return irrespective of how few points are used. For comparison, the highest possible charge for a UK member is £1,043 ($1,433) and you only pay that if you are not on a ‘Saver’ flight.

There is still a snag for UK residents though.

If you book a US redemption as two separate one-way tickets, you will now pay more in taxes and charges than if you booked a return flight starting in the UK. This is because the return flight is seen as ‘US originating’ and extra surcharges are added.

Similarly, a US resident can reduce the $1,583 taxes number by booking 2 x one-way flights so that the return leg is charged at the lower UK rate.

Comments (34)

  • NigelthePensioner says:

    Thanks to H4P for pointing out to airlines that 2 singles are better redemptions from the UK to US than a return!!
    Now that opportunity has been taken away ……. are there any other opportunities left to take advantage of?? AmEx sign up bonuses, then this (and probably others too)!

  • Genghis says:

    That VS209 departure time of 03.35 looks odd to me. Best guess was meant to be 08.35?

    • GMT says:

      Yes, no way that is correct – unless it goes a really scenic route 🙂
      For reference, BA8 leaves HND at 8:50 and arrives in LHR at 15:40

    • GM says:

      Found an article from when it was announced and yes – says VS209 will depart Incheon at 0835, arriving into Heathrow at 1505.
      Virgin’s own blurb annoyed me because the photos are of the A330 neo or A350 Upper cabins when they’re actually offering the “opportunity” to use the 787 coffin seats. I actually find them comfortable for sleeping, but so not appealing for a long flight like that.

      • Jonathan says:

        Maybe they’re too embarrassed to feature their A333 / B789 coffin style UC seats in any advertising !

        After all it’s easier for them to advertise a better offering of theirs then offer the downgrade and just be like ‘that’s the way things go sometimes’ – if challenged on the downgrade

  • D.C. says:

    For the few whom have already booked redemption flights to Seoul.What are Virgin’s obligations,if they cancel the route?

    • NorthernLass says:

      They would have to re-route passengers free of charge – they are becoming quite used to this having cancelled several routes in the past few years!

      • Jonathan says:

        Shame a number of airlines, notably BA were useless during the pandemic, this was however under the times of super stingy Alex Cruz’s leadership…
        They hoped customers were oblivious to their legal rights when booking a flight

        • JDB says:

          I’m not sure BA was really any worse than anyone else and the policies around vouchers and status were very generous. Virgin however, on route cancellations – Hong Kong, Shanghai, São Paulo etc. has behaved appallingly.

          • Jonathan says:

            I was referring to rerouting of a flight(s) that was cancelled if I didn’t make that obvious, sorry if there’s been any misunderstanding there.

            Clearly the cheap low cost budget airlines will do whatever they can to get customers to accept a refund, but it’s rightfully so not to expect such behaviour from a legacy carrier whose motto: ‘To Fly. To Serve’.
            Their motto was also slated under the former CEO’s disastrous attempt at introducing BOB, which has been criticised mainly due to food quality (Rob mentioned about a pie he was served that wasn’t cooked properly – something that just shouldn’t be happening end of story, such problems can lead to food poisoning), and during the days of M&S food, availability was a key component

        • Richie says:

          @Jonathan perhaps have a read of the CAA’s CAP2155 document https://www.caa.co.uk/publication/download/18744 and perhaps update your view.

        • BJ says:

          Why were BA useless? I had no issues across multiple bookings, and would go as far as to say they were extremely helpful. The only airline that let me down was Lufty.

  • D.C says:

    Thanks very much. Good to know

  • JDB says:

    Virgin doesn’t get the slots back automatically after three years (or more precisely six IATA seasons) as it is still conditional on the approval of the Competition and Markets Authority as advised by the Trustee. Virgin will probably look very different by 2029; will it even still exist as an independent airline?

    • Jonathan says:

      VS will almost certainly be around for a long time the way they currently are, measuring their success and profitability is another matter.

      They do however need to tone down their concentration on flights to the U.S., admittingly they’re already doing this, however it’s taking far too much time the things currently are

      • BBbetter says:

        It’s driven by simple economics. Americans have higher disposable income while flying east costs more fuel and therefore uncompetitive against ME3.

        • Bagoly says:

          Disposable income – yes.
          Buy flying east is with the wind from the west (hence TATL typically an hour quicker) so I would expect that to use less fuel?
          Do any airlines consider differential fuel usage for pricing of one-way tickets by origin?

          • Throwawayname says:

            I think the point about flying east wasn’t related to weather conditions, but rather to the unavailability of Russian airspace.

            Still, there are places in Africa and Southern Asia which should have sufficient demand to profitably sustain a route to LHR as long as a bit of connectivity can be arranged. Virgin’s alliance partners already have such routes from NBO, HAN, and SGN, it wouldn’t be crazy for them to attempt something similar to KUL or a couple of additional places in West Africa (well, they did announce ACC…).

          • JDB says:

            @Throwawayname – what cities are you suggesting Virgin could operate profitably in those locations? They aren’t profitable on their current route network so flying routes to SE Asia that are both super competitive and double the length of many US routes seems a tall order. They have also pulled out of most Asian routes over the years.

          • Throwawayname says:

            @JDB, I’m not a route development specialist and I certainly can’t work out the opportunity costs of using slots somewhere instead of somewhere else.

            Assuming VN aren’t running two routes to London just as a vanity project that loses money hand over fist, I would expect CGK to be workable for Virgin as Jakarta is one of the biggest cities in the world which additionally is a partner hub that’s located really well for connections to/from Oceania (not to mention premium leisure traffic to DPS). They also have Virgin Holidays to help them develop destinations like they’re doing with MLE, I am sure they could sustain a seasonal service to somewhere in Thailand/Malaysia with a bit of a marketing push. They could even combining traffic between a business destination and a leisure one with a fifth-freedom tag like KLM do on the AMS-SIN-DPS route.

          • JDB says:

            @Throwawayname – the economics /costs for VN are entirely different than they are for Virgin. You will no doubt have observed that Thai and Malaysian are unprofitable and have been bust in recent times. They also don’t suffer the cost burdens attributable to European carriers. There is a reason that Virgin has pulled so many SE Asian routes and why BA operates relatively few. Jakarta (and Indonesia) is a huge market in terms of population but hasn’t been good for carriers from London.

  • Mikee says:

    I made regular use relatively cheap 1-way fares back to the UK so this is quite a big devaluation. US residents at least had the opportunity to obtain a US-issued credit card with the massive bonuses but for us non-US residents, it’s a loose-loose situation.
    The flexibility of mixing outbound and inbound airlines is much reduced.

    • Jonathan says:

      One doesn’t have to use the same carrier on a return flight…

      • Mikee says:

        Yes that’s my point. Often I saw Virgin cheaper than BA on the way back from the US with BA/VS having very similar pricing on the UK outbound leg. I would generally do a BA out/VS return mix. Now VS is more expensive coming back it increases costs overall.

    • LittleNick says:

      Agreed Mikee, surcharges on VS upper class is just ridiculous

  • G says:

    If the delay is regulatory issues on the South Korean side; they’ve just had a new centre-left administation take power – and one that is likely to be more sceptical of the chaebols (South Korean mega famiilies/corporations); Korean Air is one of those.

    I suspect the new Korean Ministry of Transport is trying to find a way out of the proposed merger.

  • Lee says:

    virgin also increased the surcharge on the return leg of the Saudi flights the other week.

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