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Lloyds Bank in talks to buy Curve at a knockdown price – what went wrong?

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Sky News reported yesterday that Lloyds Banking Group is in talks to buy ‘digital wallet’ Curve for around £100 million to £120 million.

This would represent a discount on the £133 million raised during Curve’s Series C round in 2023, and is likely to lead to substantial losses for most investors.

Over £200 million of equity has been invested in the business since it launched.

Lloyds Bank in talks to buy Curve at knockdown valuation - what went wrong?

If you are a relatively new HfP reader (ie post pandemic) you may not have heard of Curve. Head for Points was heavily involved in its launch – I think there were six staff when I first met founder Shachar Bialick in 2016.

The main USP of the company at launch was that it issued you with a Mastercard which automatically recharged your purchases to an American Express card – or any other payment card stored in your electronic Curve wallet.

You could even withdraw cash from an ATM and have it recharged to your American Express card as a purchase!

Unsurprisingly American Express wasn’t keen on this and broke the arrangement within three months of the launch.

After this, Curve – frankly – was without a killer feature. It tried multiple ideas (Curve Rewards, Curve Fronted, Curve Flex – the latter a Klarna-style product) but nothing that would drive mass adoption.

Visa and Mastercard issuers began to turn against it. Curve had low FX fees so people could use a Curve Mastercard abroad and have the charge pop up – with no FX fees – on their usual Visa or Mastercard statement. This didn’t win it many friends.

Because Curve was a debit card during this period, you could also make pseudo-cash transactions which would appear on your linked Visa or Mastercard as a purchase. A lot of issuers didn’t like that either.

28th January 2019

The week of 28th January 2019, when I was travelling and trying to file HfP copy around other commitments, has gone down in HfP lore.

Lloyds Bank in talks to buy Curve at knockdown valuation - what went wrong?

On 28th January 2019, Curve announced a huge relaunch – and American Express was back as a partner! Suddenly, once again, anything you could fund with a debit card could be (re)charged to an Amex card as a purchase. Our relaunch article got 576 comments.

36 hours later, on 30th January, American Express withdrew. This HfP article got 788 comments. To put that in context, our readership in 2019 was only 55% of what we had in 2024. It was a big, big deal. I remember Shachar calling me in whatever hotel I was in that night for a chat.

This was effectively the end of Curve Card getting editorial coverage on HfP. It only reappeared in June 2020 when – in a fluke of luck – it had started to move its payment processing away from Wirecard (yes, the criminal enterprise that was Wirecard) just days before Wirecard was closed down.

In October 2021, Creation Financial Services – issuer of the IHG credit cards – closed down, with no notice, all IHG credit card accounts which had been linked to a Curve Card. It confirmed to us that we were right to stop recommending it.

Whilst it DOES still have some uses in the miles and points community – as the Curve discussion in our forum shows – it got too difficult for us to keep track of which underlying card issuers (Virgin Money, Barclaycard, NatWest etc) were penalising Curve transactions and which weren’t. There was also the risk that another issuer would ‘do a Creation’ and invoke a mass shutdown.

In the end, Curve never found the one killer feature that would drive mass adoption. It was a very, very niche player in a space which rewards – indeed requires – scale.

What does Lloyds Bank want from Curve?

The real question is where Lloyds Banking Group sees even a reported £100-£120 million of value.

Sky News believes that Lloyds is attracted by the idea of creating a smartphone wallet which can be used to bypass Apple Pay fees. Recent EU regulatory changes will force Apple to allow other apps to access the NFC functionality in your iPhone to process contactless payments.

Curve may finally have found a USP – albeit, it seems, after the money ran out. It is also a USP that can only be exploited by a card issuer like Lloyds, because it is the issuers that want to stop payments to Apple. Lloyds Bank customers are unlikely to be happy if they can no longer use their payment cards with Apple Pay and need to open a separate Lloyds app instead.

Lloyds is only likely to want the technology. I think it is unlikely that the Curve Card or even the brand will survive.

I like Curve founder Shachar and I give him credit for sticking with the project for a decade even when it was clear that it was going to struggle to get mass-market traction.

Depending on the liquidity preference the company had to give to raise equity towards the end – it is possible that some investors were guaranteed a 100% return irrespective of the sale price – he could walk away with virtually nothing for 10 years of work.

Comments (191)

  • Jjh4yb says:

    Barclays have yet to connect their Mastercards including the Avios card to Google’s wallet, so it’s the only way to make contactless payments by phone.

    I hold the premium version of Curve and I do get my subscription fee back in the benefits, mainly cash back. Many of the features I find very useful.

    I have however thought, that I can’t see how it makes money.

    • Alan says:

      Agree, I found that a really useful feature. Pretty appalling Barclaycard still haven’t sorted that for their Mastercards (works fine with Visa).

  • VinZ says:

    I still like Curve for the fronted feature, no fx abroad combined with cashback outside of UK/EU and some free cash withdrawals on a cc. And I invested a little £250 in the company at some point so I still believe in it. Yes, Amex was amazing until it lasted…

  • Rob says:

    For me, Curve is simply a way around being able to use my Avios Barclaycard with Google Pay as you can’t add it directly. I’ll probably drop my Barclaycard completely if Curve closes.

    • Andrew J says:

      Or get an iPhone.

      • BOB says:

        No joke iPhone has zero innovation since 13 and still has no foldable. And who else still uses 60hz screen not even £200 phones. No one in their good conscience should recommend iPhone these days except the ones who doesn’t understand technology

        • Will says:

          Perhaps users with no technical knowledge who find it the best solution to their problem are the best ones to recommend a consumer product?

          Few people know how most of the things they use day to day actually work on a technical level.

        • Dotun says:

          Want to correct you here – iPhone Pro models have 120hz screens

      • Alan says:

        No thanks! Have tried and much happier with Android.

  • Char Char says:

    There was also a lot of fraud the past few years which they failed to detect and just have cost them a lot of money, as they launched Curve protect. Curve protect is basically useless, blocks normal transactions and your account then requires a 3 day+ wait for someone to look into it. Rubbish for a paid product that claims it’s the only card you need to take out!

  • Ian says:

    Curve is an excellent product.

    I assume that the lack of coverage on here is due to the fact that ‘competitors’ such as currencsea pay more in referral fees?

    It would be sad to see it go as I use it all the time and it has great value to the wallet.

    • JDB says:

      Yes, it’s a great product that will be sorely missed if it shuts down. It’s far superior to the likes of Currensea or the Hilton debit card (from Currensea) with the ability to earn a large number of points at places that don’t accept credit cards and FX free globally while earning points on the VI/MC card of ones choice. Therein lay the problem – while great for the customer, not so good for the company or its investors.

      The myth that it was Curve use that got Creation cards closed down doesn’t hold water as some Creation cardholders didn’t have Curve cards and some of those who did survived the cull. Creation also blocked Curve prior to the closures. Creation was a customer killed product, like Amex Shop Small. As for other underlying card providers, Barclaycard is very supportive of Curve, for its own reasons. Revolut feels a whole lot sniffier.

      • Novice says:

        Agree with JDB. I still use my initial free curve card because I like the go back in time feature and because I remember the card details so I can’t be bothered to remember all my cc details. Also, it still has uses eg. can dump a big deposit in HL accounts and get points on Barclayscard without any extra charges. I will be sad to see it go.

        • Matt says:

          Hi Novice – I think you might find that there are charges now for using the card at

          • Matt says:

            HL it is just that curve does not tell you in advance, and just adds the fee to the amount you deposit. 1% or 1.5%

          • Novice says:

            Haven’t done it recently but last time I did it, was fine. But good to know. Because I was about to do it 😂

          • Novice says:

            Thanks Matt. Forgot to add. 👍

    • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

      Ian

      @Rob clearly stated the reason in the article for lack of coverage.

      re-read the section headed ‘28th January 2019’

  • Findli says:

    Disappointed to hear this. I valued the ability to use it to pay abroad without incurring transaction fees and earning Avios or Virgin miles. I used it in the USA and received 1% Cashback almost everywhere I used it. I easily covered the premium card cost each year

  • Paul says:

    What went wrong was very simple. You just could not trust Curve. I wrote this on 30/1/19

    Paul says:
    30 Jan 06:24
    I know who I trust in this debacle and it’s not Curve. They were difficult about this when it originally launched and Amex must again have some serious concerns about what they are doing. I commented yesterday that I dumped curve when they were dropped by Amex and the complex new set up did nothing for me

    If I recall Curve gave away Tumi wallets when they launched and I still use mine today. Looks like the leather wallet will out last the digital one.

    What was far more interesting however was reading the names of posters in 2019. So many seem to have stopped posting. I know people move on, new people take over but that was a trip down memory lane reading the unique handles of many of them

    • JDB says:

      @Paul – that was over six years ago and of course Amex didn’t like Curve because it was against their interests once Curve cardholders went OTT. It was a purely commercial decision, nothing to do with trust. Amex of course rather ridiculously still allows people to pay their balances by Curve.

      Tesco Bank started a revolt by Mastercard issuers which led to MCCs being passed to the underlying cards to enable them to block transactions in breach of cardholder agreements.

      There is simply not an issue of trust – Curve is an FCA registered business and Mastercard issuer.

      The question of trust arises far more within the customer base that Curve attracted who wanted to take cash advances on their credit cards without paying for them and many carrying out a series of circular transactions.

    • Novice says:

      Some people don’t comment until something really affects them personally. It doesn’t mean that they don’t come to read this site anymore. For the first couple years, I never commented here as well because I didn’t think I had anything worthwhile to add to any discussion as I was pretty young and inexperienced. Old commenters used to give me grief when I did start commenting as I used to add that I was young in my comments. They didn’t realise that I was adding that because I was nervous about coming across as too naive.

    • Alan says:

      Lol I’ve bunged mine (unused) on ebay!

  • Steve says:

    I remember when they were raising, plenty of my friends invested. Ironically, it’s probably the only fintech I didn’t put money into. From the start, it seemed bound to fail, and most of the comments here just reinforce that.

    Sure, it was useful, I used it to boost my points game like everyone else, but it always felt like another short-lived loophole. The model relied on fee arbitrage, and I never understood how Amex or other issuers would be fine with that.

    Turns out, they weren’t. I will miss Curve, I am still using it, but I would never invest in it.

    • JDB says:

      Amex was fine until it got out of hand. Unsurprisingly Amex didn’t really appreciate Curve lending out its money for free! After stopping the use of Curve it was reallowed with some guardrails but that was very brief as users ensured it would once again be killed.

      • Novice says:

        True. Users don’t seem to realise that going for everything in one go raises alarm bells faster than anything. I have free curve which used to allow free ATM withdrawals of £200 per day and you could get free points by doing this but I only did it once a week after a couple weeks because I didn’t want to overdo it and have it on my record that I do that. Every transaction or thing we do has some record somewhere. It’s stupidity to let machines/people track you as a person. Amex shut it down when people decided to max out in order to hit bonus targets etc. in just a day or two.

        • Will says:

          It’s a consumer product, as a company you need to make sure the boundaries are set before you release the product.
          It’s akin to releasing a car (ICE for the pedants) with no rev limiter then blaming the user when they rev through whatever limit you had set and neglected to inform them of.

          • JDB says:

            @Will – cars are the same as credit cards! The financial services industry has historically been based on trust and we have largely Principles (rather than rules) based regulation (as do lawyers and accountants, other trust based industries). That trust should run in both directions but unfortunately there is a small cadre of people which seems determined to break these products to the detriment of the majority who use them properly. It’s impossible to legislate or write agreements to cover all the dodgy stuff a few people get up to. It’s sadly a particular issue in the UK and we all suffer from worse service and products as a result.

          • Will says:

            The “dodgy” stuff people get up to?
            There’s the law and that’s what consumers are bound by in terms of criminal behaviour and then you have the terms and conditions of contracts for products which ultimately determines the limits under which a company is willing to supply its services to a customer.

            I’m not a fan of these rather subjective terms like “dodgy” in terms of behaviour,

            Either you have broken the law or you have not and if you find yourself in a position where the company who supplies the service isn’t happy with your use but it doesn’t breach the terms then it’s on you as the company to tighten up those terms and give yourself a shake for not covering off some entirely predictable uses in the first instance.

            When it came to curve there was zero justification for them not imposing stricter £ limits on circular money spends other than the possibility they wanted to show the revenue to investors.

            More broadly, companies offer perks and rewards in order to entice customers to use their products.

            The idea that there’s some moral nobility in doing just enough “dodgy” stuff to make it worthwhile and staying under the radar is laughable.

            On as selfish level I understand the point, but as a slur on anyone who took it to the extreme it has zero merit, their ability to take things that far is on curve and the underlying card issuers.

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