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Lloyds Bank in talks to buy Curve at a knockdown price – what went wrong?

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Sky News reported yesterday that Lloyds Banking Group is in talks to buy ‘digital wallet’ Curve for around £100 million to £120 million.

This would represent a discount on the £133 million raised during Curve’s Series C round in 2023, and is likely to lead to substantial losses for most investors.

Over £200 million of equity has been invested in the business since it launched.

Lloyds Bank in talks to buy Curve at knockdown valuation - what went wrong?

If you are a relatively new HfP reader (ie post pandemic) you may not have heard of Curve. Head for Points was heavily involved in its launch – I think there were six staff when I first met founder Shachar Bialick in 2016.

The main USP of the company at launch was that it issued you with a Mastercard which automatically recharged your purchases to an American Express card – or any other payment card stored in your electronic Curve wallet.

You could even withdraw cash from an ATM and have it recharged to your American Express card as a purchase!

Unsurprisingly American Express wasn’t keen on this and broke the arrangement within three months of the launch.

After this, Curve – frankly – was without a killer feature. It tried multiple ideas (Curve Rewards, Curve Fronted, Curve Flex – the latter a Klarna-style product) but nothing that would drive mass adoption.

Visa and Mastercard issuers began to turn against it. Curve had low FX fees so people could use a Curve Mastercard abroad and have the charge pop up – with no FX fees – on their usual Visa or Mastercard statement. This didn’t win it many friends.

Because Curve was a debit card during this period, you could also make pseudo-cash transactions which would appear on your linked Visa or Mastercard as a purchase. A lot of issuers didn’t like that either.

28th January 2019

The week of 28th January 2019, when I was travelling and trying to file HfP copy around other commitments, has gone down in HfP lore.

Lloyds Bank in talks to buy Curve at knockdown valuation - what went wrong?

On 28th January 2019, Curve announced a huge relaunch – and American Express was back as a partner! Suddenly, once again, anything you could fund with a debit card could be (re)charged to an Amex card as a purchase. Our relaunch article got 576 comments.

36 hours later, on 30th January, American Express withdrew. This HfP article got 788 comments. To put that in context, our readership in 2019 was only 55% of what we had in 2024. It was a big, big deal. I remember Shachar calling me in whatever hotel I was in that night for a chat.

This was effectively the end of Curve Card getting editorial coverage on HfP. It only reappeared in June 2020 when – in a fluke of luck – it had started to move its payment processing away from Wirecard (yes, the criminal enterprise that was Wirecard) just days before Wirecard was closed down.

In October 2021, Creation Financial Services – issuer of the IHG credit cards – closed down, with no notice, all IHG credit card accounts which had been linked to a Curve Card. It confirmed to us that we were right to stop recommending it.

Whilst it DOES still have some uses in the miles and points community – as the Curve discussion in our forum shows – it got too difficult for us to keep track of which underlying card issuers (Virgin Money, Barclaycard, NatWest etc) were penalising Curve transactions and which weren’t. There was also the risk that another issuer would ‘do a Creation’ and invoke a mass shutdown.

In the end, Curve never found the one killer feature that would drive mass adoption. It was a very, very niche player in a space which rewards – indeed requires – scale.

What does Lloyds Bank want from Curve?

The real question is where Lloyds Banking Group sees even a reported £100-£120 million of value.

Sky News believes that Lloyds is attracted by the idea of creating a smartphone wallet which can be used to bypass Apple Pay fees. Recent EU regulatory changes will force Apple to allow other apps to access the NFC functionality in your iPhone to process contactless payments.

Curve may finally have found a USP – albeit, it seems, after the money ran out. It is also a USP that can only be exploited by a card issuer like Lloyds, because it is the issuers that want to stop payments to Apple. Lloyds Bank customers are unlikely to be happy if they can no longer use their payment cards with Apple Pay and need to open a separate Lloyds app instead.

Lloyds is only likely to want the technology. I think it is unlikely that the Curve Card or even the brand will survive.

I like Curve founder Shachar and I give him credit for sticking with the project for a decade even when it was clear that it was going to struggle to get mass-market traction.

Depending on the liquidity preference the company had to give to raise equity towards the end – it is possible that some investors were guaranteed a 100% return irrespective of the sale price – he could walk away with virtually nothing for 10 years of work.

Comments (160)

  • HampshireHog says:

    Curve was always a parasitic product, good riddance.

  • Lee says:

    So I’m guessing the legacy customers will lose there benifits of not paying any fees ?

  • TGLoyalty says:

    Used this to great advantage for 10 years

    Im sure the deal will leave the founder with a fat paycheck in a senior role after acquisition and 10 years experience in Fintech is invaluable perhaps it came with a few fat pay checks and money can’t buy experiences

    • Rob says:

      He was planning a $50bn IPO at one point though ….

      • TGLoyalty says:

        Not even in the realms of fantasy would this IPO at $50bn any time soon

      • Charles Martel says:

        He thought he was running a business with a similar valuation to Barclays? Surely thats a sign of delusion?

    • BlairWaldorfSalad says:

      Some advisory or board role in the Gulf where payment integration into apps is popular. I won’t worry about his wellbeing suffice to say.

  • Jimbob says:

    Always good to make hay while the sun shines.
    The limiting of fronted transactions was always going to happen, but it’s still a useful product with no foreign currency fees and Cashback on non eu spends

    • Greg says:

      @Jombob The 1% cashback is excluded from EU spends plus around 15 other “Non EU” currencies.

      Still a great bonus though when travelling

  • Jimbob says:

    Curve was the main reason I ended up with KYB checks with HSBC, NS&I, Creation and Curve themselves. Think I recycled over 1 million £ in my HSBC account one year. Strangely HSBC didn’t invite me into their Wealth Management Banking arm :p

  • Sean says:

    I love my Curve Card – it is my go too card for abroad and also love the ability to go back in time. Find that such a helpful feature. Will be a very bug loss if it does go.

    Interesting to see the majority of positive comments on this thread compared to the way HfP thinks of Curve. Bit out of sync?

    • BlairWaldorfSalad says:

      Easily explained by amongst other things the smallprint at the bottom of this page: “Regulated and authorised by the Financial Conduct Authority to act as a credit broker”

      It’s one thing for HfP contributors to have a personal view of Curve, but as a regulated entity quite another.

  • Guy Incognito says:

    A lot of investors will be wanting more than 100%. Typically it can be a 200% guaranteed (so minimum double their money).

    • Rob says:

      My understanding is that you rarely see a 200% liquidity preference in term sheets today – not sure about 2023.

    • JDB says:

      Well the interesting thing will be (whether this sale goes ahead or not) if it puts the spotlight on other fintechs with silly valuations based on last funding rounds – Revolut, Monzo, Monese etc. Curve was ‘valued’ at £600m only four months ago.

      There’s been an awful lot more money made in bricks and mortar banks (and other real businesses) like NatWest in the last five years.

      • BBbetter says:

        Monese… wow, are they even around? With no FSCS protection?
        Looks like Chase’ bet on growing organically has paid off and they have even turned a profit. The Americans were smart to not pay these absurd valuations.

      • tw33ty says:

        Last Crowdcube raise was @ 600million valuation too.

        for the investors via Crowdcube, it would have been better if it failed rather than lbg sale.

      • Rob says:

        My thesis on Revolut and Monzo is that they may be worth it. My daughter is 18 soon and her default idea for opening a bank account is Monzo.

        If (and it’s a bit if) the Gen Z kids stick with Monzo and Revolut for their lifetimes then their market shares in 20 years will be equivalent to HSBC etc today.

        • Will says:

          It’s baffling how all the big banks have not attempted to launch a “cool” sub brand as an app only based bank with similar perks to Revolut/starling etc.

  • IC says:

    Curve was amazing, it’s somewhat a bit less useful for me, being based in HK and the UK. I connected my HK credit cards to it. I’m in Japan right now and it works great for me. I was in Koh Samui in covid and paid my rent on a villa each month with it. Couldn’t think of a way of doing it another way, as they wanted cash.
    For me, this was a great product with incredible features and I’ve been a fan since it launched. Genuinely fintech at its best.

    Agree, lots of knocks to the product but sad to see it for for pennies.

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