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Revenue-based Avios earning from October 18th, apparently. There goes the neighbourhood.
https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/british-airways-avios-changes
Here is our analysis for anyone interested https://www.headforpoints.com/2023/07/18/british-airways-elite-status-bonuses-cut/
Had my email this morning from BA confirming this 😢
Always suspicious big news in on the way when HfP only post 2 articles first thing!
So how will I calculate the Avios on a flight that forms part of a BA Holiday now?
Always suspicious big news in on the way when HfP only post 2 articles first thing!
The third article may well have been the MGM that was posted late yesterday. HfP are rarely first but often the wait allows for more considered analysis. In the meantime, we have the forum for the knee jerk.
So how will I calculate the Avios on a flight that forms part of a BA Holiday now?
“After 18 October 2023, will there be any exceptions when the new way of collecting Avios is applied to flights marketed by British Airways?Yes, some tickets where the fare paid isn’t disclosed or isn’t available, including flights booked as part of a British Airways Holidays package, will continue collecting Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in (no minimum Avios apply).”
So how will I calculate the Avios on a flight that forms part of a BA Holiday now?
remains as is currently.
quick look at this – say LHR-ARN for a week, in Club – 19th Sept £317 rtn. Would be 4556 Avios currently, will be 317×9 (gold) after changes = 2853 Avios.
LHR to Krakow- £300 in economy, 2664 currently, will be 2700 points.
Quite a devaluation for some flights I’d suggest !
Seems to me another nail in the coffin for the gold retention forum to discuss…Had my email this morning from BA confirming this 😢
By coincidence mine arrived just now, a few minutes after I posted. “We’re constantly improving the British Airways Executive Club for our Members, which is why… [we’re screwing you over and making the programme vastly less attractive for you].”
HfP article about the value of the Gold tier a couple of days ago was an interesting read. I personally see little benefit in going from Silver to Gold and earning 1 extra avios per £ isn’t going to change my mind although for heavy spenders who travel frequently up the front it could add up. I suppose that is the point of the change.
Took ’em long enough! They changed the name from air miles to avios yonks ago.
BA said this is a more “consistent and clear” approach, except for the different earning rates on BA holidays and partner airlines 🙃
It’s ok, you might get a free cup of tea instead 🤪
Gold members getting screwed over is, I suppose, hardly surprising – though it’s still disappointing. At least the two-faced purpose of the charm offensive last week has become obvious.
It’s ok, you might get a free cup of tea instead 🤪
A 100ml thimble of hot beverage isn’t a ‘cup’.
Presumably TPs continue to be awarded in the same way based on distance bracket and cabin, not fare paid?
Presumably TPs continue to be awarded in the same way based on distance bracket and cabin, not fare paid?
I wouldn’t be surprised if they changed some shorter CE routes to 20 TPs and 60 TPs, instead of 40 and 80.
Presumably TPs continue to be awarded in the same way based on distance bracket and cabin, not fare paid?
I wouldn’t be surprised if they changed some shorter CE routes to 20 TPs and 60 TPs, instead of 40 and 80.
Maybe then reducing some shorter CW routes like New York and Dubai to 100, leaving the likes of LA and Singapore at 140.
The increment from blue to gold is an insult. G
If other one world carriers (Iberia is joining BA) maintain the old system then in the short term there may be a drift towards them. Personally I was choosing the competition anyway to maintain gold with BA used only for shorthaul.
Unless I’m being thick (highly probable), does this now mean have given Avios have a fixed defined ‘value’? (in addition to the de facto Nectar valuation).
I’m not smart enough or good enough at maths to work it out!
Unless I’m being thick (highly probable), does this now mean have given Avios have a fixed defined ‘value’? (in addition to the de facto Nectar valuation).
I’m not smart enough or good enough at maths to work it out!
No, the value of the Avios is based on what they are redeemed for, not how they are issued.
BTW Article is now on the main page.
I’m curious why BAEC (and other revenue-based programmes) don’t do it the other way around – make tier points revenue-based and keep miles distance-based. So the highest status perks go to the highest spenders, while the frequent fliers on cheaper tickets still earn plenty of miles that can be redeemed for otherwise unsold seats and the airline still generates cash from the ever-increasing carrier surcharges (and if you redeem for premium cabins, as generally you should for best value, you’d still get many of the status perks anyway). Not sure I’d necessarily welcome that myself, but it does strike me as a more logical and perhaps fairer way to do it. What am I missing? I suppose it would end the concept of tier point runs (maybe no bad thing? Environment etc). But perhaps then an alternative to TPRs would be to have the option of buying status directly for a fixed cash price less any flying credits already earned (maybe discounted at year-end if they need to make up the numbers)? I suppose it would potentially change our little game quite radically – though maybe that depends on whether you regard it as being more about ‘free’ flights or the perks of status. Dunno, just thinking out loud – but it strikes me that if FFPs want to go revenue-based, there are possibly better ways to do it than switching to spend-based miles earning and alienating a large portion of their membership?
make tier points revenue-based and keep miles distance-based
Good question. I wonder if again that’s because the bulk of the status benefits would be meaningless to people paying high fares?
Someone flying a lot in economy will put a high value on lounge access. Someone flying very little in premium cabins will put far less value on this. If you awarded TPs based on spend, it wouldn’t offer a meaningful incentive for lower yield, high frequency travellers, something that was arguably nodded to when they started offering silver status for 50 flights or whatever it was.
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