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So there ya go, a reply from Royal Jordanian re the Gold Sparrow renewal requirements, clear as mud.
They still haven’t addressed whether there’s a difference in required segments (26 or 30) between an “earned” GS and a “status matched” GS, so I guess I’ll have to email them again for clarification.Dear Mr. ****,
Greetings from Royal Club Members Services TeamKindly note that to maintain your Gold Sparrow tier, all you need is to earn 30,000 tier miles or 26 segments over 12 months, What ever you have reached first your tier will be maintained noting that we have a minimum segment should be collected to be qualified for the maintain in case your earned the tier miles first as the below.
Flights eligible for Tier Miles are (a) RJ Flights; and (b) oneworld alliance flights.
Minimum RJ flight for Silver tier qualification or maintenance is 4.
Minimum RJ flights for Gold tier qualification or maintenance is 10.
Minimum RJ flights for Platinum tier qualification or maintenance is 20Regards
Members Services TeamThey used to have the requirement of minimum segments flown on RJ but it was reported on various travel sites as no longer required at the end of last year? I also can’t find in my own reading of the Ts&Cs. Would you double check on that point for us all please when you email? My carefully crafted plan for the next 5 months may unravel if true!
Your “segments” can be earned on any Oneworld airline, I have completed 4 BA segments which I credited to RJ and they are already showing as credits to my total (4 sectors) in my RJ account.
Going by the email above it appears qualifying by miles is slightly different, in that as well as the required miles completed, you also need to credit enough segments, albeit greatly reduced, and once again on any Oneworld airline.
@bungalow, ah yes I think I see what you mean now. Thanks for the clarification. So if you qualify by segments any OW flights are fine, but if you qualify by miles then a min number of those flights earning qualifying miles have to be on RJ. I have 2 segments so far on OW flights (BA) that have credited fine, and have another 12 planned before August (a mix of BA and IB)
No my reading of the miles qualification is that the reduced segment part can be on ANY Oneworld airline.
The email from RJ is slightly confusing, a cross between a language barrier I guess and using 50 words when 10 would do.
I currently have 4 down, 4 more in Feb, and another 8 in March! Which is why I’m pressing them for clarity.
One of the “perks” (in this case) of living in the regions is that if you’re going outside UK you are more often than not chalking segments up by 4 at a time!
I’ve emailed them again so hopefully have more info in a few days.This looks all very easy – is it just a case of 30 paid segments to gain one world sapphire?
No my reading of the miles qualification is that the reduced segment part can be on ANY Oneworld airline.
The email from RJ is slightly confusing, a cross between a language barrier I guess and using 50 words when 10 would do.
I currently have 4 down, 4 more in Feb, and another 8 in March! Which is why I’m pressing them for clarity.
One of the “perks” (in this case) of living in the regions is that if you’re going outside UK you are more often than not chalking segments up by 4 at a time!
I’ve emailed them again so hopefully have more info in a few days.Oh I see – so you couldn’t just rack up the qualifying miles on e.g. a couple of OW flights in F, you need to fly a minimum of OW segments, not RJ segments specifically. As you say, I think a bit of a language thing so hopefully some clarification on the way!
This looks all very easy – is it just a case of 30 paid segments to gain one world sapphire?
Well that’s how I read it and 26 for renewal. I’ve been researching which OW programme I might move to. I do a lot of ‘commuting” between London, Scotland and France so rack up a lot of segments. I was thinking of moving to IBPL, but having read all the info on RJ website, which seems to have been updated recently, their programme seems so much easier to become a Gold Sparrow or Platinum Hawk! Not sure how other OW airlines would cope if we all change our allegiance! BA lounges are likely to get even busier.
What is not clear is whether “the tier point year” is when you join the programme, or whether everyone’s year is aligned. Any of you Sparrows out there, could you please confirm? TIA
My year began Aug 5th 24, and my account showing expires Aug 6th 25. Credits from my Dec 24 flights are still showing in my account also. So from that I assume it’s an individual rolling 12 months.
@bungalow – thank you for that info. Will now have a think as to when I need to sign up.
thanks @bungalow. i would be concerned about getting to 26/30 credited segments but status not being extended as no flights on RJ metal.
still too much vagueness for my liking!
how long did your segments take to credit by the way?
thanks @bungalow. i would be concerned about getting to 26/30 credited segments but status not being extended as no flights on RJ metal.
still too much vagueness for my liking!
how long did your segments take to credit by the way?
I really don’t know how long the credits took to be honest, didn’t check, but would imagine fairly sharpish. Have some more BA flights in a few weeks, I’ll keep an eye on those and report back.
I can say they are all listed and credited to my RJ account as the exact date flown
Pre Covid, we flew to Jordan a couple of times and between Amman and Aqaba with RJ. We credited to BA and never had any issues. We were very impressed with their service on board, on the ground and with their admin, IT etc.
Well that was quick!
The answer to “is there any difference between a ‘status matched’ GS and an ‘earned’ GS?”
That’s good enough for me 🤗Dear Mr. ****,
Greetings from Royal Club Members Services Team
Kindly note that to maintain the gold tier you need to earn 26 segment over the 12 months as all gold members.
Regards,
*****
Members Services TeamHas i been confirmed that you can retain gold without actually flying on any RJ planes yet?
In the email further up the thread, there is NO mention of RJ segment requirements if you qualify by segments.
Does anyone have any idea what the quickest and most efficient way would be to remain at gold? Would 26 segments be “cheaper” or obtaining 30,000 tier miles? I have 6 months to go to retain my status and wondering what is the most efficient, yet affordable way to do so! Any advice would be helpful!
I would say segments, as miles flown on metal other than RJ seem to be greatly reduced (25%)
From my own RJ account:
BA LHR – NUR, 1 Segment awarded. Miles Actual 512, Tier Miles awarded 128
BA MUC – LHR, 1 Segment awarded, Miles Actual 587, Tier Miles awarded 147Does anyone have any idea what the quickest and most efficient way would be to remain at gold? Would 26 segments be “cheaper” or obtaining 30,000 tier miles? I have 6 months to go to retain my status and wondering what is the most efficient, yet affordable way to do so! Any advice would be helpful!
If you want segments, go for a tour around Spain? There were lots of cheap internal flights on Iberia around €30, when I looked recently for upcoming trip travelling from Funchal to Balearics via Canaries and mainland Spain.
Does anyone know if redemption flights on BA would count as segments for the purpose of these 26 segments? I doubt it but thought best to check if anyone has queried this before!
There ya go guys, I asked if any flights on RJ metal were required from the 26 to retain your GS status, fairly clear now that the answer in no. All 26 segments can be on BA or any mix of Oneworld airlines.
Dear Mr. ****,
Greetings from Royal Club Members Services TeamPlease be advised that your flights can be only with one world alliance airlines without traveling with Royal Jordanian Airlines and the segments will be counted.
Regards,
*****
Members Services TeamHey all
I should become BA gold just before 1st April. Should I get a status match with RJ and then try to keep status with them? I seem to understand that segments are better than miles, and my segments will mostly be with BA rather than RJ. But will I be considered as somebody retaining Hawk rather than qualifying for it? Hence, 80 segments over two years? Does it also mean that once you reach Hawk the status is valid for 2 years, not one?
Thank you!
Has the status match not ended? Whatever, I think you can only match up to Gold Sparrow anyway, not sure?
However my reading of it is, from a nobody you need 46 segments to initially qualify for Hawk, your status then lasts for 2 years, during which time you need to fly a further 80 segments to retain it for another 2 years.
You would probably need to email them to clarify further
Oh ok, thank you.
Even if it’s ended I’m sure they’ll bring it back especially if they can snatch more BA-leavers.
If anyone wants to switch to Skyteam Vietnam are matching 47 airlines at a similar price https://vietnamairlines.statusmatch.com/?fpr=lfal
@JDB ‘s point
“JDB says:
5 Feb 09:29
The problem with looking at RJ and other (particularly OW) schemes is that it will inevitably be based on the programmes as they operate today and it’s probably quite rash to assume they won’t also change within the next 12 months. RJ as a very small OW player must be particularly vulnerable not only to pressure but is likely to suffer cost implications for passengers barely flying on their flights.”is an important one.
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