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Has anyone heard anything more about this?
Still no date mentioned that I can see.
Amex told me to contact BA, BA told me to contact Amex!And in HfP you will be told you know now as much as the rest of us. Or BA. Or Amex.
I’m sure someone starts this same thread every few days, and this is actually the second one today!
Okay, started yesterday but being discussed 4 threads down!
https://www.headforpoints.com/forums/topic/ba-tier-points-2/
Whose going to pay for these
My view there are many people a few teir points doesn’t matter. For example gold for life , those who make gold easily but won’t make GGL, similarly those who make silver easily but won’t make gold.
For all of these , would not like it if Amex either increases fees to pay for teir points, or ups the threshold for 241 because of these costs.
I’m one of these who would not be happy
Whose going to pay for these
My view there are many people a few teir points doesn’t matter. For example gold for life , those who make gold easily but won’t make GGL, similarly those who make silver easily but won’t make gold.
For all of these , would not like it if Amex either increases fees to pay for teir points, or ups the threshold for 241 because of these costs.
I’m one of these who would not be happy
This is the issue. One way or another it won’t exactly be free to the cardholder.
Indeed, I see a fee increase coming to allow for the enhancements.
The only fair way would be to offer a choice.
Eg No teir points and 241 at £15000 as now.
Eg 2500 teir points and 241 at £17500 sayAnyway if they either put prices or threshold up , goodbye
Both were increased quite recently!
Come on BA surely this should have been thought of and agreed with Amex before the late December announcement? Those teir points could be very useful and I’ve been holding off purchases until we hear the conditions for earning.
Both were increased quite recently!
I expect that’s the problem, Amex don’t want to increase either fees or threshold and lose customers, BA won’t give teir points away for nothing.
The only fair way would be to offer a choice.
Eg No teir points and 241 at £15000 as now.
Eg 2500 teir points and 241 at £17500 sayAnyway if they either put prices or threshold up , goodbye
£2,500 extra spend on Amex isn’t nearly enough. That’s what you would need to spend net at BA to get 2,500 TP. Also, the mooted rate is something like £10/1TP, so needing to spend £25,000 to get the full 2,500 TP with some question as to the point at which you start to earn any TP.
The only fair way would be to offer a choice.
Eg No teir points and 241 at £15000 as now.
Eg 2500 teir points and 241 at £17500 sayAnyway if they either put prices or threshold up , goodbye
£2,500 extra spend on Amex isn’t nearly enough. That’s what you would need to spend net at BA to get 2,500 TP. Also, the mooted rate is something like £10/1TP, so needing to spend £25,000 to get the full 2,500 TP with some question as to the point at which you start to earn any TP.
It was just an example, if you’re numbers are right , then perhaps people will have to choose say 15k for a 241 , or 15k for teir points. I’d go 241 any time.
Only logic is to encourage people to spend once hit 241, so teir points earned for above 15k.
All this shows it was not well thought out and a premature offering
I can’t see the point in throwing around numbers that are based on nothing. When (if) it happens we’ll know, until then random speculation adds nothing.
I can’t see the point in throwing around numbers that are based on nothing. When (if) it happens we’ll know, until then random speculation adds nothing.
We have some figures from the trial, so they aren’t speculation. As the benefit wasn’t introduced on 1 April the concept is almost certainly going to be different. And are you seriously suggesting that the cardholder isn’t going to be paying for this benefit one way or another?
I think the discussion is helpful to prepare for what will eventually be announced and clearly many are very focussed on the issue, so I’m not sure why you wish to shut down the conversation?
The customer already pays the annual fee of £300 to hold the BAPP and now has to spend £15k to get the voucher. The question is how much extra it will cost us if they decide to implement the TP earning. Make it too onerous and it defeats the object. Make it free and I can see BA thinking what are they getting out of it. The time limited trial required you to spend an extra £25k to earn a total of 200 old TP with the first 100 old TP earned after £15k extra of spend.
My instinct is that it might require a similar amount of extra spend to earn the 2500TP. If so the card really only fully benefits those who spend in excess of £40k per annum. But that is £5k more than the minimum annual earning threshold to hold the card. And if the card fee went up to help pay for the extra fees that would also work against it. I am also not sure that is sustainable. Certainly wouldn’t appeal to me.
Personally I am hoping that it will require £25k of spend to earn the full 2500TP with TP earning starting from the first £10. That would encourage me to continue spending beyond the £15k to earn the voucher but also reward membership of BAC for holding the card.
Realistically I think it will be something between those two.
I just wish BA and Amex would resolve the issues they’re having and reveal how it will work. It isn’t inspiring confidence in either company.
@AJA – you have highlighted many of the complications! The timing is an issue and if it becomes permanent, the interrelationship between the TP earning period and the voucher earning period.
are you seriously suggesting that the cardholder isn’t going to be paying for this benefit one way or another?
No I said nothing to suggest that, there’s no such thing as a free lunch (or bunch of TPs), but I think comments like 2500TP for an extra £2500 spend (as you’ve already commented on) or maybe choosing between a 241 voucher or tier points are just silly.
I suspect Amex will be loathe to increase either the annual fee or the £15K voucher spend again so soon, so how it gets paid for is the million dollar question.
Of course it will be the card holders that foot the bill. BA and Amex are just out to make money from us.
We all have different start years for our BAPP accounts. Surely for it to be “fair” to all we’d need to have the same start year. Or am I missing something?
@LD27 that different earning year on our Amex cards is another issue. Which is why I think limiting TP earning to a figure once you’ve earned your 2-4-1 voucher or spent £x is a no go. It would be fairer to start awarding TP from £1 or £10. That way the limit of 2500TP could be split over card years and limited to 2500 per BA Tier year
Has it been clarified yet if you will earn Tier Points on the fee free card? I haven’t seen this anywhere, but maybe Tier Point collection won’t be permitted on the basic card, or rather an annual fee may be on the horizon?
Has it been clarified yet if you will earn Tier Points on the fee free card?
Yes it was clarified and no you won’t earn TP on the free BA Amex. Tp earning will only be on the BAPP whenever and however it happens.
I have zero interest in earning TP with BA now that I’ve moved my strategy to AY. Especially if this means an increase in the card fees.
Of course it will be the card holders that foot the bill. BA and Amex are just out to make money from us.
We all have different start years for our BAPP accounts. Surely for it to be “fair” to all we’d need to have the same start year. Or am I missing something?
Shock horror at private businesses makign money!
But why should card holders pay for BA issuing TPs on Amex spend? TPs are something BA want to offer. BA may as @Rob wrote at the end March want AMEX to pay for this but why should AMEX pay BA an extra penny? AMEX already pays a shed load of money for the avios.
What has fairness got to do with it? AMEX aren’y going to change statement dates etc to suit BA. Imagine all the transition arrangements they’d have to implement to make sure people didn’t lose out due to such a change.
Has it been clarified yet if you will earn Tier Points on the fee free card?
Yes it was clarified and no you won’t earn TP on the free BA Amex. Tp earning will only be on the BAPP whenever and however it happens.
Thank you – glad I have the premium card! My sister may not be so happy however…
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