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Curve Card and its new ‘acceptable use’ policy

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(EDIT:  Curve has changed a lot since this article was published.  Please do not rely on the information here.  Instead, please click here to read our detailed 2020 Curve review, which includes a link for a free £10 credit when you sign up.)

The Curve card is an innovative new payment card which is currently in beta mode.  I reviewed the Curve card in detail here but, put simply:

branded as a MasterCard, it allows you to recharge transactions to an American Express card – great for places where Amex is not accepted

when used abroad, it only levies a 1% FX fee (compared to 3% on 99% of UK credit and debit cards) and recharges the amount to any linked Amex, Visa or MasterCard

when used in an ATM, it recharges the withdrawal to any linked Amex, Visa or MasterCard and treats that transaction as a purchase for the purpose of earning points and counting towards BA Amex 241 vouchers etc

Curve prepaid MasterCard

Curve was launched with a caveat that all transactions would be subject to a ‘fair use’ policy which was undefined.

A policy on ATM withdrawals has recently appeared on its website:

At Curve we want to be your gateway to everything money giving you more choice and saving you money. However there are certain services which are high risk for Curve and/or expensive for Curve to provide due to third party fees. For these services we have a monthly free usage limit which if passed will result in a small but fair fee to cover costs. This helps keep Curve free to use for the majority of our users.

ATM Withdrawals from credit cards

You can withdrawal up to £200 (or currency equivalent) for free using your American Express or other credit cards per calendar month after which there is a 2% charge. This limit does not apply to ATM debit card withdrawals. Furthermore any behaviour which Curve deems to be “cash recycling” whereby high volumes of cash are taken out of an ATM using a credit card and then used to repay the credit card in order to gain rewards on the funding card or Curve Rewards is not permitted. Such behaviour may result in your Curve account being blocked or cancelled. See Section 6 of Curve Terms and Conditions for further information.

Our platform uses third party systems to identify whether the Funding Source is a debit or credit card. If you believe your card has been incorrectly defined you should contact us where you will be required to provide evidence as such in order for your case to be investigated.

ATM domestic withdrawal frequency

ATM usage is free for up to 10 domestic (withdrawals in the same currency as your Funding Source) withdrawals per month after which time you may be charged £0.50 (or currency equivalent) per usage for each additional ATM withdrawal.

It is worth noting that this new policy should not apply to anyone who applied for a Curve card before last Friday.

The Curve terms and conditions state the following:

1.10 Amendments to this Agreement. We may at any time amend, delete or add to this Agreement, including the Fees and other amounts which apply to your Account (as set out in Schedule 1) (a “Change”) by giving notice of such Change by posting a revised version of this Agreement on the Curve website(s). A Change will be made unilaterally by us and you will be deemed to have accepted the Change after you have received notice of it. We will give you 2 months’ notice of any Change with the Change taking effect once the 2 month notice period has passed, except the 2 month notice period will not apply where a Change is required by law or relates to the addition of a new service, extra functionality to the existing Service or any other change which neither reduces your rights nor increases your responsibilities. In such instances, the Change will be made without prior notice to you and shall be effective immediately.

As this is clearly a change in the fees levied, it requires 2 months notice to be given if you applied before Friday.  I have not been charged for a cash withdrawal over the weekend so they appear to be working to this.

Let’s look at where this leaves you with Curve

Under the new rules, you can withdraw – for free – £2,400 per year from an ATM to be recharged to a credit card.  Let’s assume that you use a British Airways Premium Plus American Express.

£2,400 will cover 24% of the £10,000 of spend required each year to trigger your 2-4-1 voucher – that is a meaningful contribution

You will earn 3,600 Avios per year which you would not otherwise earn

You also have the other benefits of the card:

Being able to recharge purchases at establishments which do not accept American Express to an American Express

Being able to make overseas transactions for a 1% foreign exchange fee, compared with 3% charged by almost all other cards.  Even if you have a credit card with 0% foreign exchange fees (Post Office Platinum, Halifax Clarity) you may be better off paying Curve 1% and earning the rewards on the underlying card.

The 2% credit card ATM fee may be worth paying

It may even be worth paying Curve’s 2% fee to make additional ATM withdrawals – whilst being aware of the ‘recycling’ rule.

Again, lets use a British Airways Premium Plus American Express as an example.  Withdraw £100 on Curve and you earn 150 Avios for a £2 fee.  At 1.33p each that is not a great deal, of course.  However, it also moves you £100 closer to your next 2-4-1- voucher.  A lot of people will find an acceptable trade off.

Curve is still a ‘work in progress’ and I doubt we have seen the last of the changes to their model.  Given that the Travelex Supercard will be relaunching at the end of the year – presumably still with 0% FX fees, still allowing overseas transactions to be recharged to a Visa or MasterCard (not an Amex) and still with no annual fee – Curve needs to offer substantially more than Supercard to justify the £35 fee and the 1% FX margin.

Full details of how to apply are in my original article.


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Comments (398)

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  • idrive says:

    this could explain why you can not carry some transactions as Gas Pumps, Escort Services, Betting etc, but why then would Curve say they may allow you once you create a transaction history if that is not feasable?

  • Leo_C says:

    I am using the Curve, the great thing is using Amex everywhere and above all not having to carry a shed load of cards around with me!!

  • Brian W says:

    Curve have, in the last hour, replied to someone asking about the ATM Limits…….

    Poster asks “If the £200 ATM limit on free withdrawals for credit cards applies to each card or if its a total limit across all linked cards on curve”.

    Curve replied “the limits apply to each card individually, rather than in total on your curve cards”.

    Interesting 🙂

    • Brian W says:

      On Twitter!

    • Brian W says:

      Just as is mentioned a few posts above!

    • Graeme J Archer says:

      They also clarify that that applies to debit cards, not credit cards – which is £200 total.

      • Brian W says:

        You’re 4 hours off the pace Graeme, they backtracked and removed their tweets! Understandable but they did make the statement that it was £200 per ‘credit card’ per month, even if only for an hour or so!

  • Scallder says:

    Had an email from Curve. Headline is “Your Curve card has been dispatched”, however below is this:

    “Your Curve card is being made! It usually takes 5-7 days to process, personalise and print before it is packed and sent first class from the UK by Royal Mail.

    We’ve also taken payment for your Curve. Here are the full details of your order.”

    I’m guessing when people have been getting messages to say it has been dispatched then it actually means it’s in the process of being made…

    • Brian W says:

      I got that email on Monday 18th April and received my card in the post Monday 25th April if that helps.

    • Genghis says:

      Yes – I received that too and found it a bit strange. Usually things are made before being dispatched…

      I decided not to cancel my order in the end but to give it a punt.

  • Neil says:

    Mine arrived today. Used it instore at Greggs (im so ashamed) with chip and pin and it was declined (after thinking about it for a bit) . 2 pending transactions for the declined amount have appeared on my Amex account?

    I then changed the pin and used it successfully at Sainsburys and at the cash machine.

    • Genghis says:

      So you’re ashamed of first using your Curve in Greggs rather than it being declined? 🙂

  • Neil says:

    Evening Folks,

    There has been plenty of confusion on here today and since I had 5 minutes to spare on my commute home this evening I thought I would send curve a little message! Here’s what I got

    It is £200 of fee free credit card transactions per month per curve card before the 2% charge kicks in.

    Debit transactions are naturally unlimited and fee free.

    We know there has been confusion around this point and we apologise. The entire communication around the fair use policy could have been handled so much better. We hold our hands up to that fact.

    Yes you will have 2 months notice before this change takes place.

    Cash recycling however has always been prohibited under the old terms and conditions and we reserve the right to prevent that behaviour where identified. It comes at a significant cost to us and is something we cannot bear as a fintech startup.

    Thanks for reaching out on this. I hope it clarifies things.

  • Liz says:

    Comment on Twitter now says the Fair Use Policy applies from when you activate your card.

  • Neil says:

    Evening Folks,

    There has been plenty of confusion on here today and since I had 5 minutes to spare on my commute home this evening I thought I would send curve a little message! Here’s what I got

    It is £200 of fee free credit card transactions per month per curve card before the 2% charge kicks in.

    Debit transactions are naturally unlimited and fee free.

    We know there has been confusion around this point and we apologise. The entire communication around the fair use policy could have been handled so much better. We hold our hands up to that fact.

    Yes you will have 2 months notice before this change takes place.

    Cash recycling however has always been prohibited under the old terms and conditions and we reserve the right to prevent that behaviour where identified. It comes at a significant cost to us and is something we cannot bear as a fintech startup.

    Thanks for reaching out on this. I hope it clarifies things.

    • David says:

      Clear as mud.

      • harry says:

        They’re probably not over keen on people chowing on £3000 @ ATM before the rest of us got our Curve cards, David.

        Might even have helped make their minds up on greed.

    • Leo says:

      I was prepared to hang fire on criticising Curve for a while yet. But now they have used the phrase “reaching out” they can stick their card where the sun don’t shine.

    • Ben says:

      Still unclear. I can only spend £200 per month before incurring fees? Doesn’t seem to be much point if that’s the case!

    • Andrew (@andrewseftel) says:

      I don’t see where cash recycling was prohibited under the old T&Cs. The term and concept seem to only have been introduced in last Friday’s revision.

    • Abraham says:

      Did anyone notice the ATM frequency policy ?
      “ATM usage is free for up to 10 domestic (withdrawals in the same currency as your Funding Source) withdrawals per month after which time you may be charged £0.50 (or currency equivalent) per usage for each additional ATM withdrawal.”

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