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Is the new British Airways Club World business class seat the old Emirates seat?

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2019 is now approaching, and with it the arrival of the first British Airways A350 which will feature the new Club World seat.

Whilst BA has filed a number of patents showing various designs, you shouldn’t read much into this.  Patents are filed all the time whenever someone has a workable idea and it doesn’t mean they will ever be used.  The only thing we know for certain is that all seats will have direct aisle access.

Cabin crew website paddleyourownkanoo is claiming, from apparently two separate sources, that British Airways has now abandoned the idea of developing a new seat in-house.

More surprisingly, it claims that both sources have confirmed that BA has settled on the Emirates A380 seat – a seat which first flew in 2005.

The obvious flaw in this story is that Emirates only uses the seat on its A380 aircraft.  It has never been retrofitted onto its Boeing 777 fleet, which implies that it doesn’t fit.  Even now, the new Emirates Boeing 777 business class seat bears no relation to the A380 version.

Let’s assume that BA has found a way, though.  It is not a crazy idea.  I have flown the Emirates version many times.  It is a surprisingly dense configuration which would appeal to BA, without actually feeling so dense because the seat walls are quite high.  You get a lot of personal space.  You get huge IFE screens.  You get a small private mini-bar at your seat.  You retain a middle pair, in some rows, for couples who want to be side by side.

The biggest oddity is the seat length.  To allow all passengers direct aisle access, the seats which are adjacent to the aisles are shorter than those directly by the window or in the middle pair.  This is to create a gap for the adjacent passenger to walk through.  Whenever we fly it, my kids go in the middle pair so they can be side by side (and get the longer seat) whilst all 6’2′ of me gets the shorter seat adjacent to the aisle.

The full article is here if you want to check it out but don’t take it too seriously.


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Comments (69)

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  • Sandra says:

    OT-for anyone who took advantage of the Sunday Times Travel Magazine/Avios offer in 2016. I did and cancelled it with my bank early September 2017 in plenty time to prevent them taking payment for the next year. They sneakily reinstated it with a different reference number without my authority in November 2017 which I just noticed recently, claiming it was an IT glitch when they changed systems! Refund on its way, and if you have to contact them use the number in the magazine as the number on the original confirmation is defunct. From the conversation I had with them I am far from alone. Worth checking if you think you cancelled.

    • Liz says:

      I cancelled my direct debit last year but didn’t contact them to cancel it and I am still receiving the magazine every month – latest edition arrived a couple of days ago.

      • Liz says:

        And I definitely haven’t paid again as I check our transactions every week and I’ve just double checked my bank statements again.

  • Clive says:

    Totally OT, but do any of you fine people have any experience/recommendations for hotels in Buenos Aires?

    • Kinkell says:

      We stayed at the Sofitel, which was fairly central and within walking distance of Ricoletta Cemetary. We had an exec room, high up. Staff a bit off hand and not overly helpful and closed the bar lounge for a private function leaving residents no where to go for a drink! Not impressed. Only decent person was the Concierge who went out of his way to help us with something.Also ,stupidly, left a silver necklace on bedside table which all staff denied seeing and no one reported it in!!!!
      I would choose somewhere else if I was ever to return.

    • Rob says:

      Faena was the cool place but may have been overtaken.

  • Leo says:

    OT: Partner is annoyingly 5 TP points adrift of Silver – final day to re-qualify is Monday so won’t be flying – this is my mistake btw as miscalculated. Anyone have any experience of BA being charitable in similar situations, and if so any tips on what to do? My hopes aren’t high.

    • AndyR says:

      They sometimes offer a 2 week extension to earn the extra points. You need to call to ask.

      • Rob says:

        1 week certainly, 2 may be a push. But 5 TP is a super cheap Gatwick return, will be under £100 return.

        • Leo says:

          Yes thanks Rob we could manage it in a week’s time and having checked you can get to AMS and back to LHR for less that £100 on a Sunday afternoon – but on reflection given travel plans for 2018 which involve only one OW single flight where we would need benefits late in the year (I’ve got silver till August) we’ll probably let it go….This nudges me into putting my money where my mouth is and dropping BA.

          • Rob says:

            I wouldn’t …. you really never know when you’ll need it, unless you 100% sure you will requalify. That £100 can easily be spent in one session hanging out at Heathrow due to lack of lounge access ….

        • John Baldo says:

          Surlely a simple One-way would suffice? LGW-EDI or LHR-MAN. Return by another carrier or train?

          • Rob says:

            Bought a short notice train ticket recently?! Flight probably cheaper. In reality I would Avios it back unless I flew to MAN and lived near Euston.

        • AndyR says:

          No, 2 weeks is what they give if they do grant it. Plenty of threads on FT to back this up.

  • Roger Wilco says:

    O/T. I have just had some money refunded to a closed MR card. Will phone Amex and move it to another non MR account. But will my 6/12 fallow period have been reset by activity? I think has been raised some months back but cannot find an answer..

    • Matt says:

      No, I regularly have refunds to closed cards without any problems with the 6 month period being extended.

  • Anna says:

    OT – I think Harry was asking about the new online passport service yesterday. My OH used this recently to renew his driving licence. They use your passport photo via the Passport Office database, and then when you renew your passport, they refer to your driving licence photo, it sounds very efficient. I’m not sure at what stage you need to get an entirely new photo though!

    • Leo says:

      No use if you can’t drive!

      • Anna says:

        Ha. I live in a remi rural area – if you can’t drive, you can’t go anywhere!

        You upload a selfie to get the new passport/driving licence, so no more trekking to the Post Office booth!

    • LB says:

      I renewed my passport online last Monday. I included a recent digital photo and submitted the form. The next day ( Tuesday) I posted my old passport recorded delivery. HMPO emailed me the next day to tell me they’d received my passport and were processing it. On Thursday I received another email to say they’d posted my new passport which I received Friday morning. Only five days! You only have to sign the passport once you receive it.

      • Leo says:

        I renewed my aged mother’s passport just prior to Xmas – posted on the Tuesday by snail mail and she had her new one by the following Monday….I was frankly amazed.

    • Andrew says:

      My thoughts entirely – my driving licence runs out this coming December and my passport in June next year. If they take my passport photo (which the website says they will) for my driving licence, it’ll be 19.5 years old when my next photo card expires, which kind of defeats the object. It might even be the same photo in my passport and on my driving licence, meaning I pay £14 to replace my driving licence photo with… the same photo.

    • the real harry1 says:

      they say most people can just use the existing photo as 10 years later you are still recognisable

    • Phillip says:

      Just to add to this, a member of my family recently applied for a passport renewal; application submitted on a Saturday, old passport posted on Monday, new passport arrived on Friday! Impressed! Admittedly this was mid November which tends to be on the quiet side.

  • Alex W says:

    £3k in the sale!! How much are non-sale fares?!

    • Rob says:

      BA is £3500 to Cape Town in the sale. Lack of competition and the fact that going via the Middle East is a real pain because your 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep on BA (and landing with no jet lag as 1 hr time difference) becomes 2-3 hours of sleep x 2 legs.

  • Paul says:

    For the new CW seat, think more off the shelf and popular, but with an added feature.

    • VK says:

      added feature = some kinda cost cutting surprise that Mr. Cruz thinks is great and all customers think is horrible

  • Darren says:

    Only tried Emirates business once to SE Asia, 777 to Dubai was very nice but I didn’t like the 380 config, tight foot space in the cubby, and as it was a night flight I only wanted to sleep so the bar was redundant to me.

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