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How to use ‘Part Pay With Avios’ for flights on BA, Iberia, Vueling, Flybe and Aer Lingus

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‘Part Pay With Avios’ has, apparently, been very successful since it was launched.  It allows you to redeem your points for a discount against a cash ticket, although in most cases you are not allowed to pay the entire price with points.

(I’m not sure that I am happy that ‘Part Pay With Avios’ has been successful.  In general, it does not offer the best value for your points – you should be able to DOUBLE the value you get by booking a standard redemption instead.  You could argue that this leaves more standard redemptions for the rest of us, but PPWA could also be seen as the first step towards making the entire Avios programme revenue based – with NO standard redemptions at all.  That would not be good ….)

Unlike an Avios reward redemption, you will still receive tier points (with BA or Iberia) and earn Avios when you take the flight.  There are also no availability constraints, of course – all you are doing is booking a normal flight and using Avios to reduce the cost.

There are different versions of ‘Part Pay With Avios’ for BA, Iberia and their other sister airlines.  I thought it was worth running through all of the options in one place.

Just for clarity, before we get started, remember that ‘Part Pay With Avios’ is NOT the same as ‘Pay with Avios and Money’:

‘Part Pay With Avios’ lets you reduce the cash component of a standard cash flight ticket by redeeming some Avios

‘Pay with Avios and Money’ lets you reduce the Avios component of an Avios redemption ticket by paying some cash instead

How to use part pay with Avios on British Airways

Using ‘Part Pay With Avios’ on British Airways (value received: 0.51p to 1p per Avios)

You can find full details of Part Pay With Avios on the BA site here.

‘Part Pay With Avios’ isn’t great value unless there is a special promotion running.  This is something you will read again and again in this article.

On short haul European flights, you currently receive between 0.55p and 1p per point.  The value gets worse the more points you redeem.  Here are is a typical example for an Economy flight, although the exact numbers may vary by route:

  • £10 off for 1,000 Avios (1p per Avios)
  • £20 off for 2,500 Avios (0.8p per Avios)
  • £40 off for 5,500 Avios (0.72p per Avios)
  • £60 off for 10,000 Avios (0.6p per Avios)
  • £90 off for 16,000 Avios (0.56p per Avios)

You will NOT be allowed to pay for your entire flight with Avios.  In my example above, I was only offered a £90 discount on a £190 fare.

Here is an example for a long haul Economy flight:

  • £20 off for 2,000 Avios (1p per Avios)
  • £40 off for 5,200 Avios (0.77p per Avios)
  • £70 off for 10,600 Avios (0.66p per Avios)
  • £100 off for 17,000 Avios (0.59p per Avios)
  • £150 off for 28,000 Avios (0.53p per Avios)
  • £200 off for 39,000 Avios (0.51p per Avios)

1p per Avios is decent and I would always seriously consider making a tiny redemption to reduce the cost of my ticket if the option was available.  I wouldn’t refuse to speak to anyone who took the 0.8p option either, although once you get below 1p per Avios, I struggle to justify it.

How to use part pay with Avios on Iberia

Using ‘Part Pay With Avios’ on Iberia (value received: 0.48p per Avios)

If you want to book an Iberia flight, you can use ‘Part Pay With Avios’ if you book it via iberia.com.

It’s not just Iberia mainline.  You can also use Avios for bookings on Iberia Express, Vueling or Air Nostrum.  Past reader feedback is that it also works for BA, apparently, although that requires calling Iberia reservations.

In order to get your Avios into Iberia, you will need an Iberia Plus account which can be opened at iberia.com.  You also need to fulfil the following two conditions:

your Iberia Plus account must be 90 days

your Iberia Plus account must have ‘earned’ 1 Avios – the easiest way to do this is to transfer in some Amex Membership Rewards points or credit a flight, hotel stay or car hire

You can then use ‘Combine My Avios’ on ba.com to move your points to Iberia Plus.  If you get an error message, the workaround is to move your points from ba.com to avios.com and then from avios.com to iberia.com – this will work 95% of the time.  As your old Avios Travel Rewards Programme has now been closed, you will need (unless you have an Aer Lingus or Vueling Avios account) to open a new one at flybe.com/avios.  The new account number generated will work perfectly at avios.com.

Again, however, ‘Part Pay With Avios’ is not great value with Iberia.  In fact, it is shockingly bad.

This is what I was quoted to reduce the price of an economy Iberia flight between London and Madrid:

  • £23 off for 4,805 Avios (0.48p per Avios)
  • £47 off for 9,820 Avios (0.48p per Avios)
  • £95 off for 19,845 Avios (0.48p per Avios)

The maximum discount offered on a £168 flight was £95.  A long haul Economy flight from Madrid to New York produced identical results.

How to use part pay with Avios on Flybe

Using ‘Part Pay With Avios’ on Flybe (value received: 0.5p per Avios)

Flybe also offers ‘part-pay with Avios’ on its flights.  Full details can be found on this page of the Flybe website.

The minimum redemption is 1,500 Avios which will get you £7.50 off your ticket.  The maximum redemption per one-way flight is 4,500 Avios which will save you £22.50.  That works out at 0.5p per Avios point which is about as poor as you can get.

These redemptions can only be made if you have points sitting in an account which operates off the avios.com platform.  As your old Avios Travel Rewards Programme has now been closed, you will need (unless you have an Aer Lingus or Vueling account) to open a new one at flybe.com/avios.  You can then use ‘Combine My Avios’ to move your points across to avios.com.

When you make your booking, log in at Flybe using your avios.com details and it will allow you to part pay for your flight with your points.

One upside is that you can use Avios against the full cost of the ticket if it is cheap enough, INCLUDING TAXES, albeit not for ancillary purchases such as car hire or travel insurance.

You will continue to earn Avios back on your ticket based on the cash balance you personally pay after the discount.

If you want to check out where you can fly to using Flybe, the full route map is here.

Before booking a Flybe flight via ‘Part Pay With Avios’, do please check on ba.com whether the same flight is bookable as a standard Avios redemption.  It might be better value.

How to use part pay with Avios on Vueling

Using ‘Part Pay With Avios’ on Vueling (value received: 0.55p per Avios)

Vueling is BA’s low cost sister airline, primarily flying around Europe, including regional UK airports, from bases in Barcelona and Rome.

Vueling has its own Avios-based loyalty scheme called Vueling Club.  You can learn more about Vueling Club in this HFP article.

Redemptions via vueling.com are ONLY available with ‘Part Pay With Avios’.  You can pay for the ENTIRE cost of your flight with Avios if you have enough points.

You need to log in using your avios.com account details on vueling.com.  If you no longer have an account which works at avios.com, open a new one via flybe.com/avios.  This will generate a new 3081xxxxxxx account number which can be used on the Vueling site and which, via ‘Combine My Avios’ on avios.com, you can use to push your points across from BA.

The redemption rate is poor, unfortunately.  You will be offered 0.55p per Avios.  Whilst this is 10% more than you are offered when using Flybe’s ‘Part Pay With Avios’ option for Flybe flights, it still is not great.

Before making such a booking, see if you can book the same flight for Avios via Iberia Plus at iberia.com.  This will be priced using the ‘standard’ Avios pricing model (9000 Avios plus taxes for a short flight, return, for example) and may be a better deal.

To book a Vueling redemption for Avios via the Iberia website, you need to:

  • open an Iberia Plus account at iberia.com
  • had it open for at least 90 days
  • earn at least 1 Avios in the account, possibly from a BA or oneworld flight, from crediting a hotel stay, from another partner or from moving across some American Express Membership Rewards Points and then
  • use ‘Combine My Avios’ to move your points to Iberia Plus from BA

Complicated, I know – but potentially better value than booking a Vueling flight via vueling.com and getting just 0.55p per Avios.

How to use part pay with Avios on Aer Lingus

Using ‘Part Pay With Avios’ on Aer Lingus

‘Part Pay With Avios’ is not available for Aer Lingus flights via AerClub / avios.com.  You can only use Avios to book Aer Lingus flights as ‘full redemptions’, using the standard Avios pricing chart.

(Even this isn’t straightforward, as you have two options – book online via avios.com and pay high taxes, or book via telephone via BA Executive Club and pay lower taxes, with the added catch that availability is worse than avios.com shows.  This is an article for another day.)

You CAN use ‘Part Pay With Avios’ on Aer Lingus if the flight you want is bookable via ba.com, however.

CONCLUSION:

Is ‘Part Pay With Avios’ ever worthwhile?

Unfortunately, the answer is ‘not really’.  The only exception would be if you are getting all of your Avios for ‘free’ via business travel, in which case you might be ambivalent as to what you achieve for them.

Be very clear about one thing.  If you earned your Avios via credit card spend, via a Tesco Clubcard points conversion, via an American Express Membership Rewards points conversion etc then your Avios were NOT ‘free’.  You could have redeemed your Tesco or Amex points for something else of value, or used a cashback credit card.

You are likely to have ‘paid’ more than 0.5p per Avios compared to the value you could have got elsewhere, so accepting something close to 0.5p per Avios by doing a ‘Part Pay With Avios’ redemption is not smart.

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Comments

  1. The Original Nick says:

    @ Harry but FAO Polly. This is the info if you’re wanting to see something special from Chiang Mai. https://www.elephantnaturepark.org/

    • Hey Nick – do you have a wider itinerary / things to do for Thailand? CM / Bangkok / Krabi? Looking to go next month.

      • Shoestring says:

        You’ll never run out of things to do, it’s Paradise on earth

        • The Original Nick says:

          Harry, I agree but it has changed a lot now and isn’t cheap for alcohol nowadays. I remember the days when I’d jump on my motorbike in Lamai, Koh Samui and ride down the the beach to see the sunset which now the beach is private and occupied by the Conrad residence.

        • In Bangkok Chatachuk (sp) market and Chinatown are must do’s for food imo. Ride on the riverboats and if you want a fancy cocktail go to the Mandarin Oriental for a drink in the Bamboo Bar.

      • The Original Nick says:

        Many. 20 years of experience where do I start. It really does depend on what you are interested in but one place I would visit of you were going to go to CM is the naturepark as its completely different to any other elephant park. Trekking parks are where you will be going where the elephants are still being mistreated. The nature park is a hospital basically so you can feed them and wash them.
        BKK, visit the Grand Palace. If you have time/days then jump on the train up to Ayutthaya which will take up a whole day. You won’t see many westerners on the train but we’ll worth seeing the temples there.
        Krabi had changed a lot over the years so I’d say just there and relax. Visit a few islands in trips etc. Koh Lanta is nice.

        • The Original Nick says:

          You may struggle to get into the naturepark now though as it gets booked up months in advance. Send them an email and see if they have available days. 1 day is suffice. Where are you staying in Bangkok?

        • If you can stomach the heat (and roads!), a friend and I hired bicycles in Ayutthaya to cycle round all the different temples, and mopeds in Kanchanaburi. Really fun.

        • Tnx Nick,

          Replied to you on other page. Did the elephants.. Local bus from BKK up to CM/CR. Ate with locals at various pit stops. Wonderful,trip. As Harry says and you, such a wonderful and diverse country, so much to see and do. We first went 30 plus years ago, so lots of changes in those years.
          Re booze. Yes pricey. Have to say we pack the odd bottle of red, white in the suitcases… as one of the bottles I bought in Tesco for 5, was 25 over there. Local shop.

        • Shoestring says:

          I think it’s the only country in the world to never have been attacked/ invaded & occupied by a foreign/ hostile force.

    • Managed to find and book a random slot in January! Excited thank you.

      Bangkok hotel not booked yet, still looking.

      Any hot recommendations for CM?

  2. Have you ever seen IB release transatlantic business awards within 4-5 months of the flight date? My experience is they release them 12 months out and not again. I hope I’m mistaken. Thanks.

  3. Part pay when booking Qantas flights through BAEC represents tremendous value and the pricing methodology is the reverse i.e. the more Avios you use, the better ‘rate’ you get. Booked a number of QF flights recently and often get around 4p per Avios value.

  4. One of the problems with part pay with avíos is that it makes subsequent changes to the ticket rather difficult. Where normally changes can easily be made through manage my booking, when I have paid a portion of the ticket with avíos the website flags an error, which always leads to having to ring the call centre to make changes and them having to ‘verify the issue’ themselves before allowing the call centre charge to be waived. Just one to be aware of.

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