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According to an article in The Daily Telegraph yesterday, Curve Card is going through with its threat to sue American Express for withdrawing its support in January with no notice.

The report says that Curve is seeking damages for the ‘millions of pounds’ spent on fees and development work for the project to integrate American Express into the Curve platform.

Curve has also said that it is filing a complaint with the Payment Systems Regulator.  To quote:

“We have a very large set of investors and we have a lot of money in our war chest”, [Curve CEO] Mr Bialick said. “When someone is actively trying to kill you, that means you are disrupting the model.”

Amex supplied the Telegraph with the same quote they gave to me back in January:

“American Express participated in a limited Curve beta test where we enabled a small number of Card Members to load funds onto an e-wallet using their Amex Card in the Curve app.  We informed Curve that we would not participate in the further roll out of the Curve e-wallet, prior to them launching the product.  We do not have regulatory obligations to work with a particular partner, and we can confirm that we have terminated our agreement with Curve.”

This is a tricky one to call.  For most businesses, the ability to accept payment cards is a pre-requisite to their survival so card companies should arguably not be allowed to discriminate over who they work with.  On the other hand, you can understand that Amex, Mastercard and Visa would want the ability to stop their logos being associated with stores or websites selling certain products.

Credit card companies also share legal liability for products purchased using their cards so they must be allowed to have the flexibility to only work with merchants whose finances and products are seen as reliable.  This was not an issue with Curve transactions, however, as the legal liability sat with Curve / Mastercard and not American Express or whichever other card your Curve was linked to.

Curve is still pushing forward

Curve is not going anywhere in a hurry, it seems, despite the huge setback with Amex.  Over the last couple of weeks it has announced plans to open offices in Italy, Germany, France, Spain, Portugal and Poland (country managers are currently being hired if you’re interested).  As Amex has a lower penetration in these markets, the lack of Amex functionality is likely to be less of an issue.

It has also launched ‘Faster Purchase Protection’ for transactions of up to £100,000.  This ensures that all claims for refunds against purchases made on Curve are dealth with within one day of receipt of the requested documentation.   You are covered when the goods or services were not received, defective or not as described. It also covers eligible purchases in the event that the goods prove to be counterfeit or when a promised refund is not completed.

It is worth noting that this covers debit and credit card purchases, which makes it more generous than Section 75 coverage in the UK which only covers credit card purchases.  There is also no minimum purchase threshold, whereas Section 75 protection only kicks in if you spend over £100.

Does Curve still have value to HfP readers without Amex as a partner?

Yes it does, basically.  Arguably the free card should be in your wallet, linked to another points earning Visa or Mastercard:

you can spend £500 per month abroad Monday to Friday without incurring any FX fees (0.5% fee at weekends) and have the transaction recharged your points-earning Visa or Mastercard in Sterling

you can withdraw £200 per month via an ATM and have it charged to your underlying points-earning Visa or Mastercard as a purchase (EXCEPT for Tesco Bank and NatWest / RBS cards)

If you pay HMRC, you should also know that payments to HMRC via Curve are still accepted. It is treated as a debit card but goes through as a purchase on your underlying Visa or Mastercard.

If you’ve never tried Curve, simply go to this page of their website to download the app.

Curve will pay you £10 for trying it out if you use our link.

Can Curve beat Amex?

I’m not sure if the Curve lawsuit against American Express will get very far.  I’d like to think it would, but the situations under which you can legally force a company to do business with another company are few and far between, although they do exist.

That said, strip away all of the noise caused in the last three months by the sudden collapse of the Curve / Amex relationship and you are still left with a product which has some use in the arsenal of the average miles and points collector.

Be clear, though.  There is a shake-up coming, with little hope that Curve, Monese, Revolut, Starling, Monzo, N26 and Atom will all survive as independent fintech businesses.  I’m not sure if Curve is less at risk – because it is at least offering something different whilst Revolut etc are just offering plain vanilla banking with pretty-coloured plastic cards – or more so.


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Comments (227)

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  • Freddy says:

    Please could someone explain the difference between revolut and curve (if any) – what one is better for use with credit card?

    • TGLoyalty says:

      Revolut is topped up while curve charge at the time of the transaction.

      Both have different uses.

    • Memesweeper says:

      Curve is more widely accepted, more convenient and less risky than Revolut. Revolut has slightly better FX rates and you can do a bank transfer out of their app. I have both, but 95% of my usage is Curve.

    • Alex W says:

      Curve recharges transactions to your credit card. Revolut you have to top up beforehand. I use curve a lot, including cash withdrawals. Can earn a few curve rewards at certain retailers. Revolut I only really use to make bank transfers.

    • Rob says:

      They are different products. Revolut is like a gift card. You need to load it up from your bank account or credit/debit card and can only spend what it loaded. Curve is simply an intermediary which passes the purchases through to the underlying Visa/Mastercard.

    • Big Dave says:

      Revolut (like many others) lets you hold balances in different currencies
      so you can top up when you have a good exchange rate etc..
      (like the night before the brexit referrendum results – they actually tweeted out to buy pounds incase the result affected the Uk exchange rate – which invariably it did)

      Curve on the other hand is just easier to use and saves you having to carry all your cards with you that are linked – you can lock the card from the app etc.. its a proxy card – I use it abroad a lot as the zero to low FX fees are all you get charges as your underlying card is charged to Curve uk always.

      • Freddy says:

        Thanks for the clarification – Sounds like Curve would be easier for linking with a Virgin miles card rather than manually topping up each time

    • Mikeact says:

      You really should do a search on both products both here and the outside world……there’s been enough written about both.

    • Alex Sm says:

      Revolut also has a real bank account sort code and account number (if you need them) unlike Curve which does not have these

  • Alex W says:

    Mentioned several times already. Unlikely to be viable in UK at 2%.

  • Spurs Debs says:

    Tesco credit card … not the greatest rate but some is better than none!

  • Anna says:

    I paid a £3k roofing bill via Billhop last year, having weighed up the benefits carefully. It triggered a BAPP sign up bonus and helped get me to my 2 4 1 within 3 months, thus saving a chunk of the BAPP fee. I then redeemed the voucher for F seats to New York on my birthday which falls at a very expensive time of year to travel. so I feel that it was worth it.

  • Pawel says:

    Can you buy gift cards in Tesco for this retailer??

    B&Q for example

    If yes just buy gift cards using Amex

    • Polly says:

      Good idea, dept b and q don’t take amex, just in case people are wondering…

      Or get the hsbc premier card, if you qualify. 0.5 avios/£

    • MDA says:

      Yes you can use amex to buy gift card online from B&Q but not instore, or you could go to Tesco and buy gifcard there but a preset amount, depending on stock

  • Callum says:

    It doesn’t look at all promising – there are other much better cards available in the US already and there’s no way in hell this would ever be released here in anything approaching this form.

    Though Apple are doing what Apple do best – release something that already exists elsewhere with a shiny new look and get people talking about how great they are!

  • SammyJ says:

    Maybe an IHG premium card? Check the terms but I think from memory that if you take the paid one you’ll get a Free hotel night (anywhere that has reward availability), 20k sign up bonus, and 15k points for that spend. Plus platinum status.

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