Why you should turn down the new British Airways ‘at the airport’ Avios flight upgrades

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• SammyJ says:

  7 Jun7 June 11:09

  O/T Hilton Statis Match
  I applied for match to IHG platinum about 3 weeks ago and heard absolutely nothing back from them. Expected they might be busy/slow but this seems excessive? Is there a way of contacting them to check or should I reapply again?

• Keith says:

  7 Jun7 June 11:58

  I have a cash booking to New York next week and I was going with a friend who’s dad has sadly passed away and has to cancel. Any chance my travel insurance might pick this up if i cancel. Thanks.

  • Tom says:

    7 Jun7 June 12:16

    Virgin have been very good in the past for me with refunding due to a death in the family – they did request copy of the death certificate.

    • Keith says:

      7 Jun7 June 16:38

      Thanks it’s not my family so think I’ll be stuck on that front.

      • Lyn says:

        7 Jun7 June 21:52

        It’s worth a try though, directly through the airline, since it’s a genuine reason for your cancellation as well.

• Optimus Prime says:

  7 Jun7 June 12:09

  OT – Does anyone have a recommendation for airport transfers in Corfu?

  We’re off to Ikos Dassia in 2 weeks and they provide complimentary transfers if booked directly with them. Unfortunately we have a BA Holidays package and they’ve already confirmed I would have to pay EUR 60 each way.

  • Lady London says:

    7 Jun7 June 12:30

    Would hiring a car there for the week even cost that much?

    • Optimus Prime says:

      7 Jun7 June 12:51

      Well, a decent car would cost around twice the standard return taxi fare.

  • Optimus Prime says:

    7 Jun7 June 12:52

    Thank you, SimonW. Looking forward to it!

    • SimonW says:

      7 Jun7 June 12:53

      You will have a great time. We have been to 3 different Ikos now. All were superb. Very hard to fault for a family holiday.

  • Rob says:

    7 Jun7 June 13:10

    We were paying Euro 25 from Corfu Town to the Imperial, which isn’t that far away (20 mins?) so I’d say Euro 60 is fair and unlikely to be beaten by a taxi, at least not by much.

    • Optimus Prime says:

      7 Jun7 June 13:30

      SimonW’s website and others charge EUR 60 for a round-trip instead of 60 each way 🙂

  • Rooster says:

    7 Jun7 June 16:00

    Unless your staying at the hotel all week, then hire a car!

• ADS says:

  7 Jun7 June 12:10

  OT – Lloyds Avios rewards cc

  finally received my new Mastercard 🙁

  the email says that the Lloyds Amex will stop working “soon” – anybody know when that will happen?

  also, does anybody know for sure what the earning rate on the Lloyds Amex is once your account has been converted?

  • Anna says:

    7 Jun7 June 14:01

    Rob’s done a couple of articles on the changes but Lloyds should have told you! Also can’t believe a major financial institution gets away with using a vague term like “soon” to indicate an end date!

    • Robert says:

      7 Jun7 June 14:53

      The cards will still work, but all the associates benefits received such as no exchange rate on FX and Avios earnings stopped on 5th May. (This is according to a couple of reliable Lloyd’s sources). As others have mentioned, due to the vague communications, you can always ring them and try to get reimbursed if required.

      • David says:

        7 Jun7 June 15:26

        I got a letter on about 20th May telling me that the change had occurred on 15th May. Sure enough, a Euro transaction I’d made on 15th May on my Amex attracted a non-Sterling transaction fee.

        I rang up Lloyds yesterday and got a total of £24 of FX fees refunded, but I don’t think I’ll be using those cards anymore…

      • Anna says:

        7 Jun7 June 18:13

        Not that reliable, my cards are still working on the “old” terms and conditions and in any case all cardholders are legally entitled to 60 days’ notice of any changes to Ts and Cs. A Lloyds CSA told me a few weeks ago that all Lloyds Amex cards are now closed so clearly a number of them are woefully uninformed.

      • ADS says:

        7 Jun7 June 23:03

        omg – have i not been receiving points for the last month’s worth of Lloyds amex transactions ?!

    • meta says:

      7 Jun7 June 14:57

      My old MBNA Miles&More card still worked end of February (7 months after closure!). I know as I had a recurring yearly payment via Paypal which I forgot about. It showed normally on my statement. Few days later got an email from MBNA that I should stop using my old card. I did a test with my old Amex to see and it worked. I was quite shocked and immediately called them. They were surprisingly relaxed about it! And since they are part of Lloyds group, I wouldn’t be surprised if some cards continue working for a while.

  • Andy Young says:

    7 Jun7 June 23:39

    I still haven’t received a letter. I phoned them yesterday and my card with the 0% transaction fee still applies.

• Lady London says:

  7 Jun7 June 12:17

  Cat please post your link again?

• Js says:

  7 Jun7 June 12:41

  It is slightly presumptuous that you scorn the value of 0.5p/Avios.

  Valuing them more than 0.5p each assumes:
  1) you are redeeming for business (or above) seats
  2) that you actually would pay cash at the prevailing rate for the business seat if avios weren’t available

  Assuming 2) particularly is a bit avios-snobby. Many people do not overtly ‘pay’ for their avios (although I accept there is an opportunity cost in getting them), and do not have significant money to spend on airline tickets.

  Just because it doesn’t fit your high-spending avios plan doesn’t mean it is a bad deal. Almost any extra opportunity to spend avios, whatever the redemption rate, is likely to be useful to someone.

  • David says:

    7 Jun7 June 13:04

    Plenty of opportunities to get more than 0.5p for redemptions in Euro Traveller.

  • Chris L says:

    7 Jun7 June 13:29

    On my last three Avios redemptions I achieved values of 3.5p, 4.3p and 5.5p – and that’s based on looking at all sensible options to do an equivalent journey, not just the cash price for the exact flight I was on. The thought of getting 0.5p of value gives me cold shivers!!

    • Robert says:

      7 Jun7 June 15:01

      Those are great values, but how do you work them out?
      I used 140,000 Avios for an F ticket LHR-SIN
      how much would that be per Avios?

      • Anna says:

        7 Jun7 June 15:20

        I try not to go below 2p on redemptions and have had as much as 4p (RFS to Nice on GP weekend!). I calculate the value by taking the full cash price of the flights, deducting BA’s fees and the £195 BAPP fee then dividing what’s left by the number of avios used.

      • Robert says:

        7 Jun7 June 15:35

        thanks Anna, not sure if I’ve done it correctly though. Cash price shows as £2,086, after making the deductions and dividing by 140,000 Avios it means I’ve only got 0.012p for them, is that right? In what circumstances can I get 2p or 3p for them please?

      • Genghis says:

        7 Jun7 June 17:00

        … assuming you’d pay that price, of course. A better comparable might be say to Easyjet, if available.

      • Robert says:

        7 Jun7 June 17:45

        Thanks, they don’t seem to have availability though, so how are people working out what the Avios are actually worth, I can’t seem to find any redemptions where they are worth more than 0.1p !
        Rob, do you have a specific calculator or post which explains it please?

      • Shoestring says:

        7 Jun7 June 17:55

        @Robert – compare your equivalent flight as (say) a RFS Avios redemption vs the cash cost. Eg 7500 Avios + £17.50 fee vs £160.
        Subtract the £17.50 – now it’s 7500 Avios vs £142.50.
        Divide £142.50 by 7500 to get a saving (or value achieved) per Avios.
        142.50/ 7500 = 1.9p per Avios point.

      • Anna says:

        7 Jun7 June 18:22

        Or for long haul – 2 F seats to Miami using a 2 4 1. Cash price £4000. BA taxes approx £700, BAPP fee £195, so £3195 cash saving. Divide this by the 100,000 avios required for the booking and you get 3.2p per avios. Obviously this has been maximised by using the 2 4 1 – in the event I got 3 seats which brings down the pence per avios amount but we have to travel as a family of three on this trip!

      • Sandgrounder says:

        7 Jun7 June 22:14

        How about this:
        4500 + £152 out
        2900 + £167 back
        For two people, £512 e/w cash price. So:
        2048-152-167=1729
        1729÷7400=0.234
        So, 23.4p per Avios.
        If you haven’t guessed, that was for Madrid last weekend!

  • Russ says:

    7 Jun7 June 15:57

    RFS in business to Frankfurt, one night at the Sheraton Frankfurt on avios, Frankfurt to Doha on Qatar’s A380 in F or business class on avios. Don’t know how much cash value is per point here but as sure as eggs are eggs it’s got to be better value than paying cash.

  • Roy says:

    7 Jun7 June 17:13

    O/T Hilton Clubcard redemptions don’t look like a great deal since (they say) they are priced at the flexible rate but become non-changeable and non-refundable.

    • Rob says:

      7 Jun7 June 17:19

      True. But you earn HH points back on the headline cash rate. All it means it that you are getting more like 2.5x face than 3x face – many can live with that.

• Ralph says:

  7 Jun7 June 13:09

  We travelled to BOS on Tuesday using a companion voucher. Were originally in F but had to change flight time at the last minute so could only get J, although plenty of F cash seats. Upgrade at airport was £659 each or 103,500 Avios each vs 18,000 Avios for two with the upgrade voucher. Not very tempting! It’s going to be quite annoying if they hold back normal Avios availability in the hope of selling it more expensively at the airport…

• Rob says:

  7 Jun7 June 13:11

  Thanks. I’m in New York but Rhys might like it.

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