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How much money will British Airways lose running the ‘Avios only’ flight to Dubai?

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How much money will BA lose running the 'Avios only' flight to Dubai?

On Tuesday, Avios collectors got a present from British Airways (see this HfP article). For the first time in IAG’s history a whole long-haul aircraft has been made available exclusively for people paying with points.

BA had experimented with Avios-only flights before, but limited it to pint-sized trips to European destinations like ski-snow-slopes Geneva, sun-sea-sand Ibiza and, for culture vultures, Florence.

This time it is different. Every fully-flat bed – and non-flat seat – on a wide-body will be occupied by a points booker. The late overnight flight to Dubai on 26th October 2024 and the lunchtime return on 2nd November 2024 will be full of leisure travellers pleased to have grabbed a bargain.

These flights are normally expensive as they are timed for the autumn half-term break (or, to avoid confusing First Class passengers, Michaelmas exeat .…).

Comparable flights from London on the same day are £1,082 in World Traveller with a bag, £1,870 in World Traveller Plus, £3,520 in Club World and £4,820 in First. The prices might go down a bit in one of BA’s inevitable red-banner sales. But for these peak-of-the-peak services, probably not by much.

It must be the case that seats sold for a fixed mix of Avios and cash are less valuable to an airline than selling seats for cash. If this were not so, many more seats would be available for points.

This means that I would expect IAG to be losing money on the Avios-only flights. The question is, how much? Read on to find out.

I apologise in advance for some of the terminology about fare classes used below. You can skip over some of the more technical paragraphs and jump to the conclusion if you wish!

How much money will BA lose running the 'Avios only' flight to Dubai?

Rack ‘em up

I have a technique I use that takes published fares and calculates a “best-guess” estimate of how much revenue particular flights and routes can generate for airlines. I call it the “shelf” principle.

Imagine you are in a shop looking at the things for sale. Items on the bottom shelf are often the cheapest. You need to look for them and reach down to pick them up, but because they are cheap and the laws of economics apply, many people will. Items on the bottom shelf sell at low prices but in high volume.

Now consider the top shelf. That is where the specialist magazines priciest items tend to be. Everyone can see them, but not everyone wants them. So the shop puts them above your eye line and you need to reach up if you want one. The top shelf has low volume but high prices.

Finally, imagine the middle shelf. It is eye level and in easy reach – desirable real estate. It has all your favourite brands on, but maybe you do not always buy your favourite. The middle shelf has mid-range volume and mid-range prices.

So:

  • Bottom shelf – high volume, low prices
  • Top shelf – low volume, high prices
  • Middle shelf – mid-range volume, mid-range prices

All three shelves probably generate the same revenue. Or margin, since this is retail. The key idea is that each shelf contributes equally.

It is the same with a well-run airline fare structure. Our best guess as observers is that each fare class, or revenue booking designator as we say in the trade, contributes an equal amount of revenue within a cabin.

Imagine an airline with only three Economy fares:

  • £1,000 for fully flexible
  • £800 for semi flexible
  • £600 for non-refundable

If revenue management has optimised the fares so that each contributes equally, how many seats will be sold at each price point to generate £100,000?

  • £100,000 / £1,000 = 100 seats
  • £100,000 / £800 =125 seats
  • £100,000 / £600 = 166 seats

Total seats sold = 100 + 125 + 166 = 391. These sort of proportions are realistic in my experience.

How much money will BA lose running the 'Avios only' flight to Dubai?

What does BA charge for cash to fly to Dubai?

The first of the two tables below shows the minimum fare in each fare class on London to Dubai for BA on the day when the Avios-only flight operates. The second table shows the mean fare.

To each fare I have added the rip off taxes YQ carrier surcharge to see how much BA collects when it sells the seat. Then I divided by two to get the equivalent one-way rate.

How much money will BA lose running the 'Avios only' flight to Dubai?

It is important to note that the fares actually for sale on BA’s website are not what the airline is expecting to receive for a flight. Not just on this Dubai pair, but on every flight.

There are various reasons for this. Corporates and travel agents often have access to special deals, and some passengers will be connecting, leading to complex rules about apportioning revenue. Connecting tickets are worth less per segment than a direct booking ex-London but still worthwhile if the total ticket value is worth having.

What would BA have made selling these flights for cash?

Using my ‘shelf’ principle of each fare type (flexible, semi flexible, non-refundable) contributing the same overall total revenue, I can work out my best-guess estimate of ‘lost’ revenue for the Avios-only flight.

Since this is half-term to Dubai, I think it is fair to say that under normal conditions British Airways would have sold every seat. I haven’t adjusted for the ‘guaranteed’ 14 Avios seats that would have been available regardless of this offer.

The table on the left assumes that every seat is sold for minimum price in that particular fare class. The table on the right uses the mean price.

How much money will BA lose running the 'Avios only' flight to Dubai?

There is no First cabin on the outbound service and the outbound flight has lower capacity overall.

The outbound flight would have been expected to produce £125,855 to £153,153 of revenue and the inbound flight £185,342 to £227,389.

Is this more or less money than you expected a long-haul BA flight to generate?

Note how much revenue is estimated to come just from Club World: 45% to 48%.

What will BA make selling these flights for Avios?

So how much will BA earn from the Avios-only flight? BA will get paid in full – or at least I find it hard to believe they will not.

They will be paid by their sister company IAG Loyalty, which collects revenue from selling Avios and buys seats from BA to be used by Avios collectors, who return their points to IAG Loyalty in return.

Let’s have a look at the Avios prices. At the time of writing the ‘real’ taxes and charges were £164 for World Traveller tickets and £270 for tickets in other cabins. This is money that BA has to pay to the British government in Air Passenger Duty (APD) and the various airport operators and agencies along the way. The difference is down to APD, which is charged at a ‘reduced’ rate for passengers travelling in economy cabins like BA’s World Traveller.

BA’s redemption pricing is quite complex and there are various ways to optimise the scheme. The headline pricing is as shown in the table below.

How much money will BA lose running the 'Avios only' flight to Dubai?

Not all passengers will pay the full price. Many will use an American Express 2-4-1 voucher, giving the holder two-for-the-Avios-of-one or a half-Avios price for somebody flying solo.

Some scenario modelling ….

I used two sets of variables – three different guesses for what BA is paid per Avios, and three different guesses on the percentage of seats booked with 2-4-1 companion vouchers.

The Avios values feel about right to me. 1p is my own target value and so far I have almost always done a lot better. 0.65p could represent the ‘mate’s rates’ scenario for pricing within IAG, if they have one. 0.85p is a middle-way scenario.

There are enough 2-4-1 vouchers around and a dedicated enough community of points collectors (remember that Head for Points readers had advance notice that these seats would be available) that I would be surprised if most seats were not bought using 2-4-1 vouchers.

My calculations assume that British Airways is not paid an extra fee by American Express or IAG Loyalty when a 2-4-1 voucher is used.

How much money will BA lose running the 'Avios only' flight to Dubai?

How much money will BA lose on these flights?

Here is the ‘executive summary’ table. Pick whichever scenario of ‘pence BA gets per Avios’ and ‘% of seats going to 2-4-1’ holders that you think is most realistic.

The number below is the loss that British Airways will take on this ‘Avios only’ flight compared to what it would expect to make selling the flight for cash.

How much money will BA lose running the 'Avios only' flight to Dubai?

Here are the results of the model in full (feel free to skip!):

How much money will BA lose running the 'Avios only' flight to Dubai?

On my calculations British Airways is going to lose between £134,000 and £302,000, return, by offering these Avios-only flights. Of course in reality BA will probably be paid their model of the market value of the flight and IAG Loyalty will take any hit for accounting purposes.

Notice how much higher the loss is for Club World and First than for World Traveller and World Traveller Plus. Club World and First will lose up to 80.2% and 73.4% of the revenue respectively that we would expect these flights to generate. No wonder premium cabin redemption seats are scarce.

Are you surprised that World Traveller Plus has the lowest loss? You shouldn’t be. Avios tickets are twice the Avios price of World Traveller, but cash fares at the top end (semi flexible, flexible) are relatively similar.

Club World, on the other hand, requires only 50% more Avios than World Traveller Plus but cash prices are roughly 3x higher.

Will it be worth it for IAG to lose this money? You bet. Loyalty programmes are a cash cow for airlines. A flight where every seat goes for points is great marketing for British Airways and IAG Loyalty. More collectors will come in and existing collectors will keep building their balances as a result.

When I checked on Thursday night almost every economy class seat had been sold for Avios on the way out, not just higher cabins. This is powerful marketing at work.


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Comments (73)

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  • riku says:

    How is this different to what BA normally does with avios redemptions? The only difference in this case is that 100% of the seats on the flight are redemption seats. What BA gains here is the extra publicity generated because the whole plane is available for redemption tickets. This extra publicity should be subtracted from the “money lost” (as the headline puts it), because adding the same number of redemption seats but spread across a hundred flights would get little extra publicity.
    The real “loss” to BA needs to be start with the operating cost of the flight, not the theoretical lost ticket revenue.

    • Joe says:

      Their alternative is to run the flight for revenue, these aren’t extra seats. Maybe they should model impact of less capacity across the fares (assuming a lot of this is extra demand which for DXB it will be) and I do think the normal 14 avios seats should be taken out on this basis. As well as the 10-20% or so of seats already sold.

      All in all agree it’s relatively cheap effective marketing.

      • Rob says:

        Not sure if any seats were sold already. Flight was not in the timetable.

        • Joe says:

          So it was an extra flight and not the usual nightly to DXB?

          • Rob says:

            It isn’t an extra flight. BA chose not to put seats on sale in early November but the flight has always been planned to operate.

    • Rich says:

      It is different.
      I think the answer re regular flights would include reference to load factor, yield management, whether Avios bookers would have otherwise paid for their seat (a low % would), the fact that on a high proportion of flights the seats with Avios customers sat in them would otherwise fly empty and that Avios redemptions more than cover variable costs and so are profitable.
      These Dubai flights would be expected to fly full of cash paying PAX.
      It’s about marketing and promotions investment.

    • BBbetter says:

      Operating cost will be sane whether it’s cash or avios seats.
      Do people even know how to compare two things?

  • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

    Interesting think piece but BA does not operate based on the individual profitability of a single flight but on all the flights on a route over an extended period.

    We’ve probably all been on “empty flights” which when looked at alone wouldn’t have been profitable but in the scheme of things issues such as running a regular schedule are more important to BA and thus IAG.

    • a270 says:

      True, but this particular flight wouldn’t have been an empty flight. It’s the peak half term flight when it’s high season in Dubai re weather so choosing to make a loss on it is what is being discussed. I have often taken the Saturday October half term flight and the fares are really high. I’m surprised they didn’t even offer a Tuesday one during half term as people would have jumped on it too for 4-5 days break.

      • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

        It hasn’t stopped BA before though. There’s a ski destination flight next Feb half term that’s also an avios only flight which would also have likely sold out for cash.

        These flights are about generating publicity (this is the 2nd dedicated article on it this week) and to a lesser degree stops some of the complaints “I can never get an avios flight during half term”

        Both of which have some value to BA who wouldn’t have done it without running the numbers very carefully on the costs and benefits.

  • Andrew says:

    BA aren’t ‘losing’ any money on these flights. They’re just not making as much as if they’d sold them for cash.

  • Andrew J says:

    It is really just marketing to raise awareness of Avios redemptions and to create a “buzz”, and like all advertising it costs money.

    • Rob says:

      It’s cheap advertising. £200k gets you little these days. You’d only just get a single ad on HfP for a year for £200k in the prime spots – and this flight is more bang for your buck. Wait until see you see the PR when it departs.

  • Matt says:

    Interesting article, although I am surprised it’s such a big difference in revenue between Avios and cash, given the large increases in fees and then conversion to Avios over recent years. In part that’s because this is a peak flight, rather than a £1300 return to NYC, so Avios are a much better deal for the customer.

    I do think it feels wrong not to assign any value to the Companion Voucher though – BA will undoubtedly be paid for it, whether when it’s issued or when it’s used. I think that should be recognised in the revenue calculations.

  • NigelthePensioner says:

    I wonder how many passengers on these flights have been to Dubai before. I suppose the only way of telling is to count the number who jump straight into a taxi and take the 90 minute ride to Abu Dhabi!!

  • Matarredonda says:

    Assume cargo will also be carried on this flight which surely should be taken into consideration?

    • Rob says:

      Correct, but it would have cargo regardless so nothing lost.

    • Littlefish says:

      Yes, as an extra flight (to what was timetabled) there would presumably be marginal additional revenues for cargo … which would narrow any “losses”.
      I’d imagine BA/IAG will also have a small eye on Joker and GUF2 / Barclays usage across that half-term window, clearly Jokers won’t be needed for the avios flights.

  • patrick C says:

    On the math, I was wondering if the correct taxes were build in that the avios payer is coughing up?

    Then on the assumptions. I am always puzzled why anyone really pays to visit Dubai more then once (it is a soul less boring place with insane car noise and pollution).
    So the assumption that the flight will be full seems stretched. Also the shelf assumption on the number if flex tickets seems high for a holiday destination.
    Similarly, the leisure market pays nowhere near as much money for club world and first compared to the business market. Put differently the pricing for premium cabins especially in the flex bucket looks too high. The first class seat on a revenue flight are much more likely to fly empty.
    This is further supported by the product quality from the competition in premium cabins.
    The WT and WT+ math seems very realistic to me though.
    A final critique is that the 2for1 usage rate seems way too high. You assume that people hold back to spend that voucher on this avios flight, why?

    Overall I would not exclude that the flight generates about the same revenue as otherwise due to higher fill rate at avios equivalent pricing that is likely not far off from the average cash price achieved.

    • Rob says:

      I flew back from Dubai in October half term, First Class on an A380. I reviewed it. All 14 seats full.

      Dubai is high yield. It’s £1000 per night for a family sized room at a beach hotel over Oct half term – we have paid £2000 per night before now for the four of us.

      These people will pay high prices for flights too.

      On voucher use I suggest the average Avios holder ONLY redeems with a 241. They can’t generate enough points otherwise.

    • Harry T says:

      I think your feelings on how much leisure travellers pay vs business travellers aren’t accurate in 2023. I have flown a fair bit in business over the last couple of years and the business cabins are full with leisure travellers. Fares have been very high too.

      • Gordon says:

        They may not be all be cash fare pax, don’t forget over the last couple of years there has been a glut of extended 2-4-1 vouchers to be used. I have used 3 over the last two years.

        • Rob says:

          They are still out there. I had a lunch with a mate yesterday and he has a pre-covid one expiring in January.

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