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Shai Weiss on Virgin Atlantic’s future: Upper Class, Clubhouses, Heathrow and more

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Last week I interviewed Virgin Atlantic CEO Shai Weiss about the future of the airline.

Yesterday, I published an article looking at why I think Virgin is about to announce a new aircraft order at Farnborough.

In this article, I want to look at the future of the customer experience, from the Clubhouse at Heathrow to new routes.

The future of Virgin Atlantic

The future of …. Upper Class

Virgin Atlantic currently flies three different Upper Class seats:

Whilst innovative at the time, the 2003-era seat is very dated and lacks features more modern seats have, such as high levels of privacy and in-seat storage. At 6’2 with wide shoulders, I also find it quite narrow and short.

“It was one of the first true flatbeds flying. Some people love this herringbone. I personally do, but I understand that some people want more privacy.”

Whilst the A330s with the old seat are slowly being phased out with the arrival of the new A330neos, a decision on the Boeing 787s will depend on whether Virgin Atlantic decides to renew their lease or not.

“If we made a decision to retrofit the 787s, it would probably be in the configuration of the A330-900neo. You can see where our mind is with the A330neo and that’s the standard of the cabin we want to offer. It’s one of the best in the sky, definitely crossing the Atlantic.”

With no firm announcement made on the replacement or retrofit of the Boeing 787 fleet, it sounds like we are still years away from a wider rollout. At that point, the 2003 seat will have been flying for over 25 years.

The future of Virgin Atlantic

The future of …. the onboard bar

In a recent Sunday Times article Sir Richard Branson described the replacement of the onboard bar with the Loft social space as “a dreadful mistake. We’ll be bringing back the bar as soon as we possibly can.”

Unfortunately for Richard, it doesn’t look like the social spaces are going anywhere. Shai said:

“You know, we have a bar on the 787s and we have social spaces on the A330neos and A350s, and that tells us where we’re going. You can’t just change direction mid-course. The stream of planes coming in is of that nature. We like the bar, of course, but there are always trade-offs. The bottom line is that all our planes come with bars and social spaces.”

The future of Virgin Atlantic

The future of …. Clubhouse lounges

Virgin Atlantic currently operates six Clubhouses around the world, with the vast majority in the United States:

Virgin is currently in the process of assessing its Clubhouse portfolio. One casualty has been the Manchester Clubhouse which was announced in 2019 but delayed due to covid and now cancelled.

“For the level of activity there, we just couldn’t justify level of investment for a Clubhouse. It was a commercial decision.”

The Heathrow Clubhouse is now increasingly busy as Virgin Atlantic rebuilds its network. The spa and hair salon were dropped during covid and replaced with Peloton bikes for a short while, but haven’t returned.

During a press conference in Las Vegas last week, fitness fanatic Sir Richard Branson suggested that he would like to make better use of the outdoor terrace in the Heathrow Clubhouse and turn it into an outdoor gym. I think he may have forgotten the UK climate – this isn’t the British Virgin Islands!

The future of …. Virgin Atlantic at Heathrow Terminal 3

Whilst Shai has said he has a very good working relationship with Heathrow airport, there remain points of contention.

“We are in a terminal that needs some attention, Terminal 3, and we’re going to be there for a few years, that’s for sure. So I’d like to see a rapid expansion of the new security lanes, continued operational excellence and overall customer satisfaction creeping up.”

And long term?

“Support for a new home for Virgin Atlantic to be delivered by the end of the decade in Terminal 2.”

Is that even possible?

“It is possible. It’s already in the plan anyway, right? Not all of Terminal 2, the core Terminal 2.”

As Shai notes, Terminal 2 was always designed to be extended. A 2012-era Heathrow press release said:

“The second phase would extend the main Terminal 2 building northwards onto the existing Terminal 1 site. This phase, which would also include the construction of a second satellite building, T2C, would increase the capacity of Terminal 2 from 20 million passengers a year to 30 million passengers a year.”

A 2019 document said that an additional satellite, T2D, could increase passenger numbers to 52 million per year.

Work is moving in the right direction, with construction of a new baggage handling system underground between T2 and its satellite so that Terminal 1, where the existing system is, can be knocked down. This is due to be a six year project so Shai may have his work cut out if he wants a new terminal by 2030.

Pre-pandemic, Virgin Atlantic carried almost 6m passengers both in and out of Heathrow. A 10-million passenger capacity increase at T2 would allow Virgin and its SkyTeam partners to co-locate in a single, modern terminal building – “a home fitting for a flag carrier.”

The future of Virgin Atlantic

The future of …. new routes

During the 40th birthday celebrations, Shai and Richard announced the resumption of flights to Toronto – the third time Virgin Atlantic has attempted that route.

But there’s more to come. I’m told there are more new routes to be announced, although the only one we know of so far is to Seoul. This is part of a deal with the UK Competition and Markets Authority to approve the Korean Air-Asiana merger.

I asked Shai if he was confident the route would launch:

“We don’t control that …. we are a recipient of that decision. I think the last regulator to approve the merger between Asiana and Korean Air is the United States. As soon as that happens, we receive the remedy slots. It’s not paying us, but we get the slots at Heathrow and Seoul. It happens to be that they are also a SkyTeam partner. So I would hope that their merger goes through so we can announce the commencement of operations, but it’s not in our control.”

Flights to Korea would add much-needed capacity into East Asia, with Virgin Atlantic currently only flying to Shanghai. Hong Kong was dropped a few years ago.

The future of Virgin Atlantic

The future of …. Flying Club

Read the comments on any Virgin Points redemption article on Head for Points and the issue of sky-high taxes and fees soon rears its head. On some routes, it is now £900+ return in Upper Class.

British Airways, meanwhile, has introduced Reward Flight Saver. This caps surcharges on business class redemptions at £350 return on the majority of long haul routes, albeit with substantially more Avios required.

(Reward Flight Saver isn’t necessarily wonderful, of course. Far more Avios are required than before if you want to book the ‘low charges’ option. It IS good value if you are using a British Airways American Express 2-4-1 companion voucher, because if you are getting ‘2-4-1’ on the inflated Avios element. If you are not using a voucher then one of the ‘fewer Avios, more cash’ options may be a better deal.)

Will Virgin Atlantic introduce anything similar?

“We’ve been on a very nice journey right, where there was limited availability to Flying Club. We then went to guaranteed availability, 12 seats on every plane. And I think we have a few ideas to make that even more exciting. There’s a bunch of stuff coming out, starting very soon.”

The first announcement will be made in the coming weeks, but I am told several positive changes are in the works.


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How to earn Virgin Points from UK credit cards (April 2025)

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You can choose from two official Virgin Atlantic credit cards (apply here, the Reward+ card has a bonus of 18,000 Virgin Points and the free card has a bonus of 3,000 Virgin Points):

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Comments (150)

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  • BJ says:

    “It IS good value if you are using a British Airways American Express 2-4-1 companion voucher, because if you are getting ‘2-4-1’ on the inflated Avios element.”

    This assertion is far to strong, it lacks credibility with respect to value available both via other loyalty schemes and revenue flights. While elements of value remain for RFS plus vouchers it is not universal like this statement seems to imply. I think it’s time HfP revisited the excellent ‘stuffed’ series of articles and re-evaluated their repercussions within the context of changes and opportunities that have since taken place at Qatar Airways Priviledge Club and Finnair Plus.

    • Rob says:

      That isn’t the comparison. The comparison is whether long haul RFS was an improvement and for 241 holders it was vs the previous options.

      • BJ says:

        But it is the comparison that has become very pertinent and one that I think you guys should address in a future article although it might be a case of best to let sleeping dogs and all that…

      • AJA says:

        Was it a true improvement for 2-4-1 holders (or indeed anyone?) or was it merely offsetting the increase in Avios required by lowering the cash portion?

        Longhaul RFS came about after BA raised the cash element to around £900 so it appeared like it was good value.

        • BJ says:

          I think there was both good and bad but even the good has since been eroded by increasing difficulty collecting Avios, amex changes, and better reward and revenue values elsewhere. On the one hand I think more People need to be made more aware of this but on the other it is not a good thing to shout the best bits from the roof tops.

  • BOSSMANTRAVELS says:

    The loft is a truly dreadful space and not moving back to a bar area shows that Shai is a CEO that doesn’t listen to his customers. I’m surprised him and Richard are not aligned on this. Virgin used to lead the way, they are are now lagging behind.

    • Rob says:

      The 787 bar is dreadful though ….

      • MrSJ says:

        Not as awful as The Loft.. Surely bringing back the bar would be much more popular. It’s one of the few benefits of flying on the 787

        • Rob says:

          How many people on the India flights are drinking? How many under 30s, even in Britain, drink much these days? How many female business travellers want to hang out at a bar or even have a seat near it?

          • BOSSMANTRAVELS says:

            How many female business passengers want to go and sit in the loft? Some of the biggest drinkers I know are Indian, have you ever been to an Indian wedding/celebration? I’m going to one this weekend and it will be chaos! It won’t be me (the white middle aged man) that is drinking heaviest!

          • CJD says:

            If they’re Hindu (whether practicing or culturally) then there’s no reason why someone flying to India wouldn’t be drinking.

          • hampshirehog says:

            I think you need to pop back to Yorkshire for a drink up at a weekend to spot young folk imbibing, I suspect the young folk not drinking is a largely metropolitan phenomena

          • GM says:

            Think this is true. As a generally solo female leisure traveller (or well, basically paying for myself with hard-earned cash usually), have no interest in the bar. If I’m on the 787, I try to get a seat far away from it because the whole point of paying the extra is for some peace and quiet and not being bothered! Maybe missing out on some later in life dating opportunity, but sticking with minding my own business…

      • HampshireHog says:

        True, who wants to sit on a bar stool with folk pushing past and just waiting for turbulence

    • Blair Waldorf Salad says:

      The loft on the A330Neo is so badly positioned. Directly behind the J cabin; meaning the J cabin toilets are positioned between the loft and W cabin. Meaning, naturally, the W passengers treat said toilets like their own.

      • Rhys says:

        This is the case on the 787, albeit that the W loo is next to the J loo.

  • T says:

    I do not think Mr Weiss had anything to say to the press. A full page article about Mr weiss saying absolutely nothing but PR training inspired oneliners. His answers are however in line with the current state of affairs within his airline…..rather meh!

    • ADS says:

      I came here to say this!

      Did Mr Weiss answer a single one of Rhys’ questions?

      • Rob says:

        Yesterday he de facto gave us a world exclusive on the new fleet order and today he’s saying that Richard speaks nonsense. What more do you want? 🙂

  • TimM says:

    Not going ahead with the announced, delayed then cancelled Clubhouse at Manchester is probably an indication of new, unannounced routes from Manchester being cancelled too.

    I can buy 25 sausage rolls from Iceland for £1. If I bought one thousand sausage rolls, I can even get free delivery. Using my Virgin Points on Greggs does not appear a suitable alternative to a Virgin flight redemption from Manchester.

    • Throwawayname says:

      AFKL do offer plenty of flights from MAN…

      • NorthernLass says:

        “Plenty” being CDG and AMS?! This was also my first thought, Clubhouse cancelled, no new routes announced, are we going to see Virgin quietly bin MAN as well?

        • Rob says:

          When Thomas Cook crashed the plan was for Virgin to add a lot of capacity in Manchester and hoover up their long haul business. Covid and then the Aer Lingus US routes seems to have wrecked that plan.

          • HampshireHog says:

            US and Caribbean have got rather pricey for us impecunious northerners I suspect

          • NorthernLass says:

            It still leaves only 5 US routes and a very small number of Caribbean ones. I think people go elsewhere partly because they’re frustrated with the lack of choice.

  • Simon says:

    One way UC reward from the west coast is 67,500 plus over $1,000 in fees. That’s if you can find availability.
    I used to be VS’s biggest fan, but haven’t used them across the pond for years now.

    • executiveclubber says:

      It’s simply crazy and BA wipe the floor with them in this regard

      • Rob says:

        Simply not true, if you don’t have a 241. Why is (for eg) 95,000 Virgin Points + £999 to New York worse than 160,000 Avios + £350?

        It is (based on 1p per point) literally the same – and this is before you get to the teeny tiny snag that 160,000 is a lot more than 95,000 in terms of earning in the first place.

        However, with a 241, the BA flights would be 160k + £700 for 2 (so £2300 of points/cash needed at 1p per point) whilst VS is 95,000 + £2000 for two, so £3000 of points/cash needed at 1p per point).

        • Guy Incognito says:

          I think a lot of people are now becoming more “points rich” due to the various sign up bonuses etc. I think the wording doesn’t help either, a “Reward flight” that costs you the best part of £1,000 in fees / taxes is hardly rewarding – or certainly doesn’t feel that way!

          • Roy says:

            The people scoring multiple SUBs are likely to be using 241s anyway. But what proportion of people is that of the broader customer base?

            The customers who know how to pay the game to get the most bang for buck are the ones the airlines are making the least money out of – so not exactly the customers they are seeking to attract in droves.

  • Chris W says:

    This might be a silly question but why would the UK Competition and Markets Authority have any say in two Korean airlines merging?

    If BA and Virgin were to merge, would the Korean government make the final decision?

    • Rhys says:

      Because they fly to the U.K. and the merger would create a monopoly route.

    • Rob says:

      If both flew there and the combined airline wanted to keep doing so with existing frequencies, yes.

      Luckily EU is a single sign off.

  • Sam says:

    The CEO sounds like a very wet fish with the charisma and charm to match…at least that is how this interview comes across

    • Rob says:

      Shai is one of the most charismatic CEOs you will meet, nearer to O’Leary than Doyle.

      • JDB says:

        He may be charismatic (or at least he is a good talker) but he doesn’t seem very ambitious. There’s talk about small things, and aircraft replacement more than growing the fleet but little about long term growth and/or profitability.

        • HampshireHog says:

          Agreed, charisma may get you a job but it’s not a good indicator of performance and results. Just look at Obama’s achievements, if you can find any that is?

          • Catalan says:

            Obama’s administration found and got rid of Osama Bin Laden, the world’s most wanted man!
            Remember him?

          • Rob says:

            ‘The number of people who are uninsured has dropped from 45.2 million in 2013 to 26.4 million in 2022, a historic decline.’

            But apart from giving 19 million people health insurance, sorting out Osama, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system …..

          • TGLoyalty says:

            Obama not the military 😂

          • hampshirehog says:

            well ok, I’ll give you Obamacare, so one. Unfortunately the Democratic party became enfeebled in his presidency and the best follow on that emerged was lock her up Hilary, a blast from the past if ever there was one. Trump then emerged from his chrysalis…. So no meaningful legacy

        • Rhys says:

          Did you expect him to reveal a year’s worth of announcements in a single interview? Shai knows how to play the game. There’s enough here to tease of coming changes.

  • Charlie says:

    I was hoping he would confirm they’re bringing back the LAX Clubhouse.

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