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Delta opens a lot of business seats for Virgin Points but taxes are insane

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Delta Air Lines is known for being extremely stingy with premium cabin award space across the Atlantic, so a big seat drop yesterday is worth a look.

It’s especially interesting because Delta flies to Edinburgh, giving a direct option to the United States using Virgin Points.

What I hadn’t noticed, unfortunately, is that Virgin Atlantic has started charging insane levels of taxes for Delta redemptions.

Delta One using Virgin Points

I don’t use words like ‘insane’ lightly, but tell me if you disagree.

Take a look at this:

Delta One redemption on Virgin Points

Business class (Delta One) rewards between Edinburgh and Boston cost 115,000 Virgin Points and £1,845 of taxes and charges.

Yes, £1,845.

Why is this? It’s relatively simple. Virgin Atlantic’s biggest shareholder is Delta. Delta SkyMiles is known for charging insane numbers of miles for reward seats but with low taxes. To stop Delta flyers collcting and booking with Virgin Atlantic instead, Virgin seems to have been persuaded to add ludicrous surcharges to Delta redemptions.

Let’s look at the same flight booked via Flying Blue ….

Here’s what Flying Blue, the Air France / KLM programme, wants for exactly the same flight:

Delta One with Flying Blue miles

You will need 114,000 Flying Blue miles plus €851 (£728) of taxes and charges.

£728 isn’t exactly a bargain either, but its a bigger bargain that £1,845.

You don’t need to pay £728 though.

Because Flying Blue doesn’t add surcharges on tickets which start in the United States, you can book this trip as two separate flights on two separate tickets.

If you do that:

  • ticket one, Edinburgh to Boston, is 57,000 miles plus €512
  • ticket two, Boston to Edinburgh, is 57,000 miles plus just €29

…. for a combined taxes and charges figure of €541 (£463). This is a crazy £1,382 less, per person, than Virgin Atlantic wants in taxes and charges.

How do you find these Delta One award seats?

If these taxes and charges figures haven’t put you off, there is an easy way to check Delta One reward availability for the next few weeks.

Click here to visit the seats.aero site, which is a similar US-focused tool to SeatSpy.

On that page, which only looks at Delta seats for the next few weeks, search by ‘Europe’ to ‘North America’. You can filter the results by EDI, LHR and LGW depending on which airport you would fly from.

To find return dates, do a similar search in reverse.

These results are not real time but are a decent guide. It is how I found the examples used above.

Hat-tip to One Mile At A Time.

Comments (48)

  • Qrfan says:

    Having flown DeltaOne in an old 767 earlier this year I firmly believe they’re doing everyone a favour by charging these stupid amounts…

  • LittleNick says:

    You should see what QR wanted to charge for a JetBlue redemption, New York to Amsterdam as it couldn’t be booked online anymore. 78k avios + $1800 when the cash fare was about $1800 LOL. Got another quote from a chat agent and they wanted 90k avios + $1000. Shame as wanted to try B6 across the Atlantic

    • Gerry says:

      Yikes. I flew JetBlue AMS-JFK a few months ago, booked via QR… Was still 78,000 Avios + EUR 87.34… And JFK-AMS was 78,000 + $5.60. But I recall hearing about some changes recently.

      • Rob says:

        Relatively immaterial anyway because JetBlue has pulled most of its inventory from Qatar. Instead of letting them book any seat which was for cash sale (in the cheapest bucket) it now does what everyone else does and carves out a separate reward bucket, into which it has been putting …. virtually nothing.

        • LittleNick says:

          Yes but do you know if (let’s say B6 does dumps a bunch of availability, not completely unrealistic I would add) QR will fix the online integration because if not they were adamant that chat/phone agents need to levy high surcharges. I believe it is fixed on Etihad as domestics are visible but not sure they are on QR

  • Simon says:

    With all of the recent changes I’ve switched my collecting from VS to BA. This just confirms that was the right decision…

  • Greenpen says:

    With the changes that are taking place to frequent flyer schemes across the airlines, I do wonder if the era of using points for “cheap” flights is over?

    It is now becoming difficult to find many redemptions that are actually cheaper than the cash fare on long haul flights. The flights I now see value from are short haul where for some reason the cash fare has gone through the roof but redemptions are still available.

    • paul says:

      It seems the whole “loyalty industry” is going through change at the moment; nowhere more so than cruise lines.

      As more people reach top tier / zillion mile status it means those “Special” guests are no longer “Special” because everyone is.

      Loyalty is evolving (IE pissing loyal customers off) by moving to a cash spent model rather than flights taken or nights onboard.

      EG Carnival Cruises are changing their Scheme so you’d need to spend $34,000 with them every 2 years to keep top level Status.

      • Richie says:

        @paul my guess is we might get an article regarding cruise loyalty changes soonish.

        • paul-uk says:

          The cruise lines are now linking their Loyalty Schemes to their own Credit Cards – buy more, earn more.

          So far, none of the cards are available to those outside the US.

          A UK version (or two) must be on the horizon – however, the actual earning on the US one is not that great.

          Currently, anyone thinking of booking a Celebrity Cruise (before end June) can get 10% Off using code BONUS10 (courtesy of TSB Offers)

      • Erico1875 says:

        Recently seen some YouTube videos on cruise redemptions via onboard casino spending.
        Just port fees and tax payable

        • ken says:

          Cruise ships have lots of high margin slots.
          Blackjack has a higher house edge on a cruise than a UK casino
          American roulette wheel so a house edge of 5.4% (twice that of UK roulette).
          You typically earn more points on the high margin slots.
          I think on Royal Carribean you typically have to play $12500 through the slots.
          No idea what expected return would be, but you would be wanting to play low stakes to reduce variance so there is a time cost.

          Don’t believe all that you see on youtube.

        • Mark says:

          We do about 4-5 cruises a year this way.

          You’ve got to be disciplined and it’s a gamble at the end of the day. BE PREPARED TO LOSE.

          We’ve cruised twice this year and have another 2 cruises booked for this year and so far have 3 booked for next year, but with our annual vouchers that we’ll get in April ’26 will add another 2 cruises to that or one and take some friends.

          But even the Cruise lines are cutting back. You used to be able to earn a free cabin for 2 people for just a few hundred $$ spend in the casino, Now unless you’re getting 4k points plus per cruise most are for 1 person in the cabin (you pay for the second)

          And up until recently, due to UK law, we didn’t even have to pay port fees and taxes on redemptions.

          7 Night Cruise to Alaska next month. 3 people (had to pay for the 3rd person) upgraded to a large ocean view balcony cost me $854 for three people. I’ll get back $250 of free play on board and also received £100 on board credit. So essentially $504 for 3 people.

          7 night Greece & Turkey Cruise in August. 3 People again. Upgraded to ocean view balcony. $981

          Just a little example

          • paul-uk says:

            Our Loyalty gives us 3 x $5 Matchplay on Blackjack or Roulette

            Its a no brainer for us – $15 spent on red or black 3 times and we usually come away with $5 or $10 lol – then we STOP

            It’s a little win over the cruise line, but a win IS a win.

            HOWEVER – they are now being stupid !!!

            On our last cruise, we go the 3 x $5 Match Play vouchers BUT the cruise line had a $10 min bet – so we had to put down $10 for them to Match $5 of it.

            So, we probably won’t bother to use that perk (or for a culmination of reasons, Celebrity) going forward.

            Last November, onboard a Princess cruise, we had $50 of non-refundable OBC to use.

            I decided to put it on the machines and won $120 – pressed Collect and was advised it would be credited to our bank.

            Assuming this to be our registered Credit Card we left – only to discover no credit a few weeks later.

            I submitted a Claim Form to the Casino operator and despite assurance emails they have STILL not deposited the funds into our account.

            So, that’s no more Casino on Princess either.

            I do wonder if they all went to the same “how to piss off your customers” seminar that Virgin Atlantic and BA and, and, and went to.

    • JDB says:

      @Greenpen – I think that’s something of a sweeping generalisation! There’s still plenty of great value and seats aren’t as difficult to find as a few suggest.

      • LittleNick says:

        @JDB Would say it’s hard to get good value redemptions (either because lack of availability or high surcharges) on non-BA metal transatlantic. If you want to try other airlines it’s quite difficult using avios/VS points, maybe easier using MR points

    • David says:

      Yes, it’s terrible now. Stop collecting. If more people think like you then there’s less competition for me for the plethora of sweet spots available.

  • NorthernLass says:

    I think DL redemptions are mostly a good deal (not great because the number of VS points required is quite high) on US one-way departures, as you still get just the $6 tax. Other countries, e.g. the Caribbean islands and Mexico, have jacked up their departure taxes since the pandemic and often a points booking doesn’t give that much saving over a cash one.

    • LittleNick says:

      Only $6 tax on domestics, don’t know about Latin/South America, certainly not on transatlantics

      • NorthernLass says:

        Mexico and Caribbean had the $6 departure taxes last time I looked. I don’t know about transatlantics but I wouldn’t be surprised in the ex-UK leg is responsible for the bigger chunk of cash.

      • Gerry says:

        It is still $6 ($5.60 to be precise) on all US departures, domestic, TATL or otherwise.

        • LittleNick says:

          It’s not $6 US>UK/EU using VS points

          • Gerry says:

            I was referring to the comment above – $5.60 on all direct US->UK/EU Delta flights booked with DL miles.

  • RC says:

    Not sure why any of this is a surprise.
    The Atlantic is a three way monopoly..
    Delta at least have perhaps the best business product on the Atlantic so why discount it in any way?
    Reward schemes are no longer about ‘loyalty’. It’s purely transactional and at best different levels given extra ‘crumbs from the table’.
    Thats where HfP is now much more valuable to point out tte work arounds.
    Perhaps this big expansion of points seats also suggests all is not well in forward bookings? Despite the BA hubris and delusion?
    I’m going to wait for the inevitable real fare sake this might foreshadow (not the DFS style weekly BA nonsense but real discounts)

  • Keith says:

    Why do seasoned travellers continue to use ‘taxes’ inappropriately?

    ‘Virgin Atlantic has started charging insane levels of taxes for Delta redemptions’

    Even Virgin Atlantic doesn’t have the power to raise tax.

    • LittleNick says:

      Yes, I really wish everyone would be clear on this, its surcharges levied either by the operating carrier or marketing carrier

    • ChasP says:

      The larger proportion should come first Charges and Taxes otherwise its the tail wagging the dog..Its a marketing masterstroke knowing that “taxes and charges” will inevitably get shortened to taxes – but of course iits not just Virgin

    • BlairWaldorfSalad says:

      I tried making FCTs (fees, charges and taxes) a thing on the forum in 2022 but it never caught on 🙃

      • NorthernLass says:

        Everyone knows it’s a “tax” in the sense of a protection racket rather than a government levy on purchases!

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