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  • sturgeon 207 posts

    I know aircraft are subject to change but I booked this flight for mid November 2024 a year in advance, there are two flights a day with one on a 787 with old club world and the later one a 777 with the new club suite and that’s the one I went for.

    I’ve just looked at my booking and it’s showing the aircraft as an 788 (787-8?) with the old style sense seating plan.

    I’m not a fan of these seats and also wonder how they’ve adjusted this as there seem to be far fewer J seats here vs the 777 layout.

    I think the 787-8’s are being fitted for the new club suite, do we know what the status and rollout plan is? Obviously I have no choice but purposely booked BA and this specific flight for the new suite.

    GillyDee 97 posts

    Can’t answer the question, but we made the same decision to fly the BA005 over the BA007. Allocated seats in the pointy end to start with, then moved back to CW, then to yin yang – aaand cancelled yesterday..
    Rebooked on 007.

    travelmonkey 35 posts

    I noticed the equipment swap too… I’m hoping the 787-8 fleet will be upgraded enough by next a March that we’ll actually be in club suites 🤞

    sturgeon 207 posts

    When is your flight? There’s absolutely no availability for mid November including using the companion voucher. It’s frustrating they’d switch to such a crap and old product on such a key route.

    I’ve not even been notified. Should I have been? I hadn’t selected seats as I’m bronze.

    JDB 4,643 posts

    @sturgeon – BA won’t notify you of aircraft changes unless it affects your particular booking – eg a downgrade or change of pre-booked seating.

    Arnerd 17 posts

    I am returning from Tokyo on BA006 in January and I was notified of a seat change on the booking two months ago. I logged on to select a new seat and noticed the change of aircraft and the old-style CW seating plan. I am not hopeful of these aircraft being fitted with the new club suites by then, let alone by your flights in November.

    timajackson 58 posts

    We are flying BA 007 to Tokyo on 6th November in club and we were hopeful of the new suite but looks like no chance of that by then. Pleased we booked JAL coming back and with a lot of luck we may get the new A350

    Ihar 188 posts

    Are BA missing any new orders due to Boeing’s backlog?? Am sure someone will know, but it could be a reason the old style cabins aren’t being taken out of service for refresh…? I wouldn’t want to fly yin-yang style, but older Club/First is OK.

    JDB 4,643 posts

    Are BA missing any new orders due to Boeing’s backlog?? Am sure someone will know, but it could be a reason the old style cabins aren’t being taken out of service for refresh…? I wouldn’t want to fly yin-yang style, but older Club/First is OK.

    There is a delay in deliveries but as BA is short of aircraft (like many airlines) they can’t take the older Dreamliners out of service just for the new seating installation. There is also a worldwide shortage of seating and associated refit kit. The combination of all these factors will slow the rollout substantially.

    1958 72 posts

    Are BA missing any new orders due to Boeing’s backlog?? Am sure someone will know, but it could be a reason the old style cabins aren’t being taken out of service for refresh…? I wouldn’t want to fly yin-yang style, but older Club/First is OK.

    There is a delay in deliveries but as BA is short of aircraft (like many airlines) they can’t take the older Dreamliners out of service just for the new seating installation. There is also a worldwide shortage of seating and associated refit kit. The combination of all these factors will slow the rollout substantially.


    @JDB
    – You have summarised the various issues well. People may not like to hear it, but you have described the reality facing airlines today. I would also add staff shortages (flight crew and engineers) to the list.
    I wonder if there is any opportunity for “decommissioned aircraft” (such as some A-380s) to be recommissioned.

    sturgeon 207 posts

    Oh dear. Well with both BA flights that day on the decrepit old club world and essentially
    no Tokyo flights at all with club suite in November then it looks like there’s no way out of it.

    NorthernLass 8,262 posts

    They don’t even tell you if you’ve been booted out of your seats. We were in CS to DXB last year, I checked the booking one day and saw that we’d been moved from our 2 window seats to a middle row of 3 in old CW! Happily the new aircraft was the A380 and I was in time to move us again to the best seats on the upper deck.

    Also happened to us on QR (though obviously can’t blame BA for that). I make a point of going through my bookings regularly so I can spot anything like this.

    JDB 4,643 posts

    ExpertFlyer alerts are good for picking up changes and are almost always well ahead of any official airline notification.

    sturgeon 207 posts

    I’ll hope that it’s changed back to the 777 in that case or by miracle a 787-8 with CS is ready in time. Highly doubt both and look forward to the 20 year old configuration. Not quite as bad as the Virgin 787 coffin seat I suppose?

    Arnerd 17 posts

    We are flying BA 007 to Tokyo on 6th November in club and we were hopeful of the new suite but looks like no chance of that by then. Pleased we booked JAL coming back and with a lot of luck we may get the new A350

    Are the JAL Business seats any good on this route?

    yonasl 976 posts

    We are flying BA 007 to Tokyo on 6th November in club and we were hopeful of the new suite but looks like no chance of that by then. Pleased we booked JAL coming back and with a lot of luck we may get the new A350

    Are the JAL Business seats any good on this route?

    They are much better (specially for couples as they are 2-3-2 (JAL also has a newer 1-2-1) all with aile access. Just don’t end up on the seat in the very middle as it can feel a little claustrophobic. The bed is excellent with a special mattress topper and no cubby for the feet.

    TGLoyalty 649 posts

    CW really isn’t that bad at all. If you’re a couple or family of 4 flying I don’t see the issue in the window pair or the 4 middle.

    It has way more legroom and on the 787 it’ll have decent inflight entertainment. Theres far worse seats to be in like emirates 777 business.

    dst87 269 posts

    I got the same notification about my own Tokyo flights having an equipment change from Flighty (highly recommend that app!) and sure enough saw I was now in the old seat for both legs of my journey.

    Few days later BA cancelled the flight altogether. Thankfully was able to switch the whole itinerary two days later, but still both flights are old club world. Shame, I was so looking forward to finally trying Club Suite!

    sebbo900 6 posts

    Happened to me as well, was excited to be in cs as it was my first time flying business. Whilst I am disappointed, looking on the bright side I used my Barclays vouchers to fly me and my wife return for tax + £300 Barclays fee. Will be an upgrade over economy!

    totestornot123 50 posts

    Noticed this on our flight from LHR to HND next March. Originally it was the 1-2-1 seat arrangement in CW. Now when I look it shows the 2-3-2 arrangement, and it says the aircraft type as ‘788’. Hopefully it changes back to Club Suite.

    jj 533 posts

    It’s too early to stress. Equipment gets swapped in and out quite regularly based on load factors and other operational issues. I had one flight last year that swapped three times from 787-10 to 787-8 to 787-9 to 787.8, all in the final few weeks before take-off.

    Personally, I think CS is overrated. For single travellers, it’s certainly superior; for couples, families and groups, not so much. I prefer the old seats when I’m with my wife, as they’re considerably more sociable. That’s a minority view, though.

    TGLoyalty 649 posts

    @jj deffo not the minority view. It’s just people think new is better. I don’t think it is. A CW seat with the latest IFE and new seat covers and every button working is perfect for a couple or family.

    RK228 224 posts

    @jj deffo not the minority view. It’s just people think new is better. I don’t think it is. A CW seat with the latest IFE and new seat covers and every button working is perfect for a couple or family.

    Yeah, I’m inclined to agree with this. We find CW good for us as a family of three and, at least when we’re travelling anyway, we certainly don’t find the CW cabin empty.

    dst87 269 posts

    The big issue I have with old CW is the lack of storage. Especially when I’m in bed mode, there’s nowhere convenient to put almost anything, except what you can squeeze onto the tray table, and those items have the possibility of sliding off. But overall it’s still a delightful way to travel compared to economy or PE, so I’m not going to complain too much. 🙂

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