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Unless you only read Head for Points via email, you presumably saw my extra article yesterday about the decision of American Express to stop working with Curve card.

I won’t go back into how Curve works again, but you can find full details in this article.  Fundamentally, one of its benefits was that you could make credit card purchases using the Curve Mastercard and have them recharged to an American Express.  You can also make limited cash withdrawals and have them recharged to a credit card as a purchase.

With a few hundred comments to the article yesterday, I think the different options open to you have already been beaten to death.

The bottom line is this – no-one should be out of pocket here.  If you cancel, Curve has promised a full refund and you will already have received various benefits to date.  It is important to remember that.

There are two options open to you as a cardholder.  These are:

return the card for a refund of your fee (you might as well wait until after 31st May as Amex functionality continues until then) or

keep it and, as long as you spend £1,000 on the card between 1st June and 31st August, receive a £35 credit in their forthcoming rewards programme which can be used towards any card transaction

My gut feeling in the short term is that – if you can still get £ benefits via ATM and overseas use that would justify the fee irrespective of whether you get the £35 back – there is little to lose by sticking around.

Of course, you also need to consider the track record of the company to date which has been shambolic in many ways.  This includes:

delays in sending out cards

not having the loyalty programme ready to launch on Day 1, despite the premium version of the card being inherently linked to this

failure to predict cash recycling via ATM withdrawals, forcing them to cap those at a level below that required by most people for day to day spend

IT issues (outside their control, admittedly) which led to both transactions being refused and other transactions being double charged

failure to have Amex tied down to a long term agreement to support the card

It was also disappointing to read in the letter yesterday that the card was “saving you money when you travel with zero FX fees“.  This may be semantically true but, as Curve is using a foreign exchange rate which is 1% off the spot rate, you are paying the equivalent of a 1% fee.  There was simply no need for this comment to be made and it has not helped the situation.

Curve prepaid MasterCard

Here are the pros and cons as I see them (based on having the £35 version):

Reasons to return the card:

Card fee refunded now

No need to divert £1,000 from American Express spend in order to trigger the statement credit

No risk if the company closes down

Reasons to keep the card:

£35 fee refunded via a statement credit if you spend £1,000 between June and August – assuming that Curve Rewards is ready to launch by September and the company remains solvent.

If you were referred, you are still due an additional £10 credit when Curve Rewards launches.

You can continue to take out £200 via an ATM each month and have it recharged to a Mastercard or Visa as a purchase.  This is worth a couple of £ per month in benefits. 

You can use it abroad and pay just 1% in fees instead of the 2.99% which is normal on most UK credit and debit cards.  Even if you have a 0% fee card such as Halifax Clarity, it may be worth paying the 1% Curve fee instead if the rewards on your underlying card are worth more than 1%.

You can use it at those merchants who treat it as a debit card without paying the fees associated with using a credit card – but it is still hit and miss as to which those are

You won’t have to pay £35 to rejoin if American Express returns as a partner or some other interesting functionality appears

On the assumption that you wouldn’t have any problems making £1,000 of spending it comes down to whether you believe Curve will be around to credit your £35 of rewards and how much value you put on the FX and ATM benefits.

The company is funded via a high profile mix of private investors and well regarded venture capital funds, but of course start-up projects like this can be volatile.

If I had paid £35 (and I haven’t, because I was on the beta trial) I would stick with it – primarily because I can put my Summer holiday spend onto it for a 1% fee and recharge it to my old BMI Mastercard paying 2.5 Avios per £1.  I can cover £35 of value from that.  Of course, not many people have a Visa or Mastercard which is that generous.

If you have the £75 premium card, it is a different calculation.  Because the statement credit is only £50 but you can receive a £75 refund by returning the card along with the Tumi card wallet, I would take a refund.  You could always reapply for the £35 card later and only be £10 worse off.

Whatever you decide to do, however, remember that you won’t be out of pocket and that, if you’ve been using the card already, you should be ‘up’ overall.  No HfP reader should be losing any money here.

It is also worth remembering that, behind the faceless brand, is a small team of people who have been working hard, apparently close to 24/7 based on the timings of some of the messages I have received, to make this work.  If this experiment fails, they are the ones who really lose something. Welcome to the world of working with start-up companies ….


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Comments (242)

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  • marly says:

    I feel sorry for curve, hopefully they don’t go down.
    I am pretty pissed off with their double, quadruple charges and I think Amex had enough on having to reimburse X amount of money to all the complainers, it was £810 in my case that curve charged in 2 different Amex with no explanations.
    Having said that, Amex might just want to deal with all the refunds from now until they authorise curve again.
    Just bummed that I lost a flight ticket deal in the process. I am cancelling, might reapply for a non-beta version.

    • NFH says:

      Marly, how long did wait between first contacting Curve and complaining to Amex? Usually you have several weeks until payment is due on your Amex card, so there shouldn’t have been any rush to do this. I fear that the cause of the “pause” is too many customers complaining to Amex prematurely. I had some duplicate transactions, which were all resolved either before or after contacting Curve. Time is NOT of the essence in these cases so there’s rarely a need to involve Amex.

      • marly says:

        I contacted Curve first, 3 days with no answer, they charged the tickets (USD) on my Amex Lloyds which has 0% fx fee and then when I switched back the app for use of the BA Amex a few days later, they charged it again. So I ended up being charged for the tickets on my Lloyds AND my BA Amex, on top of that, I was unlucky enough to be charged on the day when they had the double charging issue, hence 2x£420 on BA amex and £420 also on the Lloyds Amex…
        When I finally got through them, the only explanation was a technical error, I mean, seriously!
        In all fairness they refund me on the Lloyds and on the BA Amex, but not sure which underlying charge the airlines will be taking, or just cancel my ticket all together, I will just sort it out with the ticket office when I am done with them.
        I understand it is a start up and bugs are expected but sadly we live in a society now when people have no patience, I have no patience for lousy customer services , if I treat one of my clients like that, I lose my job, business is business!

        • Mr Dee says:

          That issue will be because they CHARGE PRE AUTHORISATIONS as transactions and then the actual finalised amount as a separate transaction, they then refund the pre authorisation transaction about 5 days later. This alone would be reason enough for Amex to cancel on them for charging and refunding too much, what on earth is going on in their head to do this? Even supercard doesn’t charge the pre auth amount only the final amount not well thought through and to be honest seems underfunded for what they wanted to do.

  • Ian says:

    Do cash withdrawals show as cash on an underlying visa card?

    • Rob says:

      No

    • Boris says:

      May help as background, but I have not done a curve cash wothdrawal to Visa.

      On my Virgin Amex I get “Curve London” for both cash and purchases.
      On my Virgin Visa, I get slightly more information (eg CRV – PIZZA EXPRESS LONDON) for purchases. The “LONDON” on that one relates to location of the seller, not to Curve.

  • Nick M says:

    Just tried a cash withdrawal linked to Amex – appears to have been removed already… changed the card to a Visa and a chip+pin transaction worked fine.

    • Gulz says:

      I just got £200 out of Curve with Amex underlying. Worked fine!

      • Guesswho2000 says:

        I wasn’t having any issues either, as soon as I got the email yesterday I used curve to pay a large bill and withdraw £200 cash straight away, all worked fine and charged to my BA Amex as normal.

        I’ve cancelled now though. Much as I don’t want to see curve die a death, linking to Visa/MC isn’t worth it for me, even for cash, especially after only six weeks of having it, and as an Australian resident who won’t have a UK address soon.

        With my Supercard being cancelled as of 1 June, I’ll be holding on to some of the fee free credit cards I was planning to bin!

    • Nick M says:

      Although the cash withdrawal is showing as a pending transactions (twice) on the linked card… first issue I have had with Curve and fingers crossed it resolves itself!

      • Guesswho2000 says:

        It will, eventually – I had some online transactions, which were declined, charged to my Amex anyway – I was in Indonesia at the time, so didn’t really bother chasing other than emailing Curve, who assured me all would be well – the refund took around a week.

        Another transaction, which did go through correctly, was double charged, and I got no response from Curve – I contacted Amex on that one, who refunded it instantly and disputed with Curve, which prompted them to respond. I suspect they’d been dealing with a lot of teething problems at the time, explaining the delay, but the total absence of communication is what caused me to contact Amex. Other than that, it worked quite well, it was better than Supercard, in terms of reliability.

    • Rum says:

      Worked with me for a £100 withdrawal. Went through fine as far as I can tell.

      • Nick M says:

        Ok thanks both… maybe mine just had an off moment. Will retry once the “pending” transactions have fallen away on the hope this is before the end of the month!

  • STEVEN says:

    What is everyones thoughts on the “pausing”of Amex. This to me sounds temporary ?

    If it said stopped, then I would say that was permanent.

    I’m going to keep hold of it anyway.

    • Rum says:

      Perhaps, but what’s to say that this is just PR language? They already have a process in place to compensate, so could go either way I guess.

    • Mikeact says:

      There’s a ton of ‘thoughts’ on here,do a search.

  • Steve says:

    I just tried a payment to my utilities which has been working fine and it was declined. Curve just say some payments gets declined and it is in BETA, blah blah.

  • Ingvar says:

    I’ve only had the card for a month, but have already gotten more than £35 of value out of it.

    I still use my Amex wherever it is accepted, and Curve elsewhere. If we all do this, it just a lot more money goes through the Amex card than would otherwise be the case, and that we have the full Amex customer service available for issues with Amex-accepting merchants.

    We should all write to Amex and tell them this.

  • ahop says:

    I requested clarification on when the £1000 qualifying spend would begin as FAQs and cancellation terms seem to differ. The responded with an amendment to the Terms as per the below.

    UPDATE: As communicated to you in the emails sent May 24th from Curve the promotion
    mentioned below is specifically to encourage you to enjoy the other Curve features post the
    Amex feature being paused and will not apply to spend put through Curve via Amex prior to
    the Amex feature being paused on May 31st. For avoidance of doubt ATM usage is not
    considered to be spend.

    1. Additional promotions
    1.1. You will automatically be entered into a loyalty promotion whereby if you spend
    £1000 on your Curve card between 25th May 2016 and 31st August 2016 you will
    receive £35 if you purchased a blue card and £50 if you purchased a black card
    credited via Curve Reward Points and redeemable everywhere the Curve card is
    accepted.

    • Alex W says:

      Brilliant. So you can’t use Amex or ATM to make the £1000 spend. Unlikely I will achieve that then.

    • Alan says:

      At least they’ve clarified re ATM not being spend for this. I asked if they’d still offer this promo for those of us with orders on hold pending Android app but they said no.

      I’m not quite sure what these other amazing features are though given they still haven’t provided any details of their loyalty scheme!!

  • LEE says:

    only atm works with amex they seemed to have blocked online payments , Not sure if chip and pin is still working

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