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Curve Card launched its new subscription plans on Monday – and it is very interesting, to say the least.  It is also a major departure for Curve as it tries to create a sustainable business model.

From today, if you are a Curve customer in the UK, you can use a Curve Mastercard to pay for anything and have it charged to any American Express card you own.

(UPDATE:  American Express withdrew from Curve shortly after this article was published! Unless you want to read this article for a history lesson, I suggest that you click here to read this 2020 article instead which explains how Curve currently operates, without American Express.)

Even merchants who only accept debit cards, such as HMRC, can be used with Curve.  Your tax payments can now go through your Amex card.

When you top-up your Curve card with an Amex, it will go through as a purchase.  This means it will earn you points on your American Express card and count towards any spending target such as the British Airways American Express 2-4-1 voucher.

The only exception is that you are not allowed to use your Curve Card to pay a credit card bill, unless your Curve Card is linked to a debit card.

Importantly, you CANNOT have ATM withdrawals charged to your Amex card.  You can have ATM withdrawals charged to most Visa or Mastercards as a purchase, unless you are a Tesco Bank or NatWest / BoS credit card holder, as long as you remain within Curve’s ‘fair use’ guidelines.

To summarise what Curve will now cost you:

The basic Curve Card remains FREE – in fact Curve will pay you £5 for trying it out if you use my referral code of OQB4J

Curve Black costs £9.99 per month and allows £1,000 per month of free American Express top-ups (0.65% thereafter)

Curve Metal costs £14.99 per month or £150 per year and has unlimited American Express top-ups, a choice of three cool metal cards to choose from and some travel and insurance benefits

What is Curve?

Let’s start by saying what Curve isn’t.

Curve is NOT a bank account.  It is NOT like Revolut, Monzo, N26, Starling or Monese.  If you take out a Curve Card you are NOT getting a ‘current account on a card’.

Curve is simply an intermediary card, a card (a Mastercard) to which you can link all of your existing payment cards, whether they be debit or credit, Visa, Mastercard or American Express.

Via the Curve app you can select which linked card you want to use at any particular time.  Curve transactions are automatically recharged onto that card.  Even if a shop does not accept American Express or even credit cards at all, you can pay with your Curve Mastercard, which is a debit card.

Transactions are processed in two different ways:

If you have a Visa or Mastercard linked to your Curve Card, any transaction you make is automatically recharged to the relevant Visa or Mastercard by Curve.  Your card statement will show as ‘CRV*XXXXXX’ with XXXXXX being the name of the original merchant.

If you have an American Express linked to your Curve Card, you need to use the app to load funds from your Amex card into an e-wallet.  Purchases are then debited against the balance in your e-wallet.  All you will see on your American Express statement is a series of charges (treated as purchases) for funds uploaded to your e-wallet.  You can enable ‘auto top-up’ to automatically fill your e-wallet – rounded up to the nearest £100 – if you do not have enough money in your e-wallet at the point of purchase.

Curve has some other unique features:

Cash withdrawals are charged as a PURCHASE.  Yes, a £200 cash withdrawal on your Curve debit Mastercard will be recharged as a £200 purchase to your linked Visa or Mastercard (not Amex).  This is FREE but there are limits on cash withdrawals based on the Curve Card variant you have.  Note that Tesco Bank and NatWest / BoS do NOT allow credit card holders to make free cash withdrawals via Curve and other banks may follow in time.

Overseas purchases are converted without an FX fee during Monday to Friday (except for free Curve Blue which is capped at £500 per month of free FX transactions with a 2% fee beyond that).  This is a better deal than using a separate free ‘no rewards’ credit card with 0% FX fees because you still earn rewards on the underlying linked card.  On weekends and UK public holidays, a 0.5% fee is added for € or $ transactions and 1.5% for other currencies.

Before we go on ….

Whilst the ability to recharge all of your Visa and Mastercard debit and credit payments to American Express is clearly great, you should do the maths before deciding whether to get a paid Curve Card instead of the free Blue version.

How much money do you spend each month at places which do not accept Amex but do accept Mastercard debit cards?

Council tax is an obvious possibility, along with some utility bills.  The big winners are people who pay HMRC, whether that is for PAYE, self employed income tax and NI or VAT.  Even then, you will need to work around Curve’s daily, weekly and monthly payment limits which get higher as you use the card.  This will require you to break down large tax bills into numerous instalments.

Note that you cannot use Curve to pay a credit card bill.

You also need to think about how much money you spend abroad which could be recharged to an Amex.  If you currently use a 0% FX fees card with no rewards, you will be better off with Curve because of the rewards earned on the card your purchase is recharged to.

If you currently use an Amex card abroad and pay the 3% FX fee, you can now save all of that.  Note that Curve imposes a 0.5% fee for $ and € FX transactions (1.5% for other currencies) on a Saturday and Sunday which could be troublesome, especially if you check out of a hotel on a Saturday with a large bill to pay.

What are the Curve Card limits?

Irrespective of the limits on your underlying cards, Curve has its own daily, monthly and annual limits.  Your limits are increased as Curve begins to ‘trust’ your behaviour.

These are the maximum limits you can get:

Daily spend (inc ATM withdrawals) – £4,500
Daily ATM withdrawal cap – £1,000
Monthly spending limit (on a rolling 30 day basis) – £120,000
Annual spending limit – £1,400,000

This should cover even the highest tax bills.  As I said, though, you have no chance of being given a limit anywhere close to this on Day 1.  The limit you get is not linked to the type of Curve Card you use.

What are the three different types of Curve Card?

In this part of the article I will review the new Curve Metal product, as this is the one which is the most striking and has the most benefits.

Part 2 of this article covers Curve Black and the free Curve Blue.

What are the features of Curve Metal?

The Curve website compares the free different types of Curve Card.

Fee: £14.99 per month, or £150 annually (if you pay monthly and cancel or downgrade within six months, a £50 cancellation fee will apply)

Card:  Funky 18g brushed metal card in red, blue or rose gold.  I have been trialling the blue one and it is a bit boring to be honest so I’d recommend one of the others.

Availability:  UK residents only

Amex usage cap:  None and no fees

Foreign exchange fees:  Unlimited transactions with no fee (0.5% fee $ or € and 1.5% fee for other currencies applies to transactions made on a Saturday or Sunday)

ATM withdrawals:  Overseas: £600 per month for free, 2% thereafter (can only be charged to a Visa or Mastercard) / UK: 10 free withdrawals per month (max £200 per day, fair use policy applies), 50p fee thereafter

These are the key benefits.  There are other benefits which I do not value highly but which some readers may find useful:

Travel insurance underwritten by AXA  (this looks OK with an age limit of 70, although the rules are stricter than many policies in terms of, for example, sports you may not play on holiday)

Gadget insurance (maximum value £800 with a £50 excess)

Car rental CDW waiver coverage  (I have this via Amex Platinum but if you do hire cars and don’t have a standalone policy this will be worth something to you – the car must be worth under £25,000 however)

Airport lounge access via LoungeKey (this is NOT free access, you will need to pay a fee of around £15 per visit)

1% cashback from six premium retailers for the first 90 days of membership.  This is on top of the rewards you will earn from your underlying card.

This card has the possibility to be VERY attractive to Head for Points readers.  Let’s look at a couple of key areas:

Your ATM withdrawals (10 per month in the UK for free, £600-worth per month in foreign currency) will earn you miles and points on any underlying Visa or Mastercard.  This will also count towards spend-based bonuses on those cards.  This can offset a lot of the annual fee.

You can charge all of your foreign spending to a miles or points earning card – including an Amex – whilst paying 0% FX fees, which should lead to a sharp increase in your points earning (0.5% fee $ or € and 1.5% fee for other currencies applies to transactions made on a Saturday or Sunday)

You can charge some day-to-day debit card spending to Curve and turn it into spend which earns miles, points and ‘spend-related target bonuses’

If I can get a high enough limit on my Curve Card, for example, I will able to charge my six figure PAYE, VAT and personal tax bills to my BAPP American Express card.  This will be a major boost to my Avios earning.  It also opens up the possibility of hitting spend targets such as the £37,500 of spend required on the IHG Rewards Club Premium Mastercard to be given top tier Spire Elite status.

Is Curve Metal worth £2.50 to £5 per month more than Curve Black?

That’s a good question.  If you pre-pay for Curve Metal at £150, the difference in cost is only £30 per year or £2.50 per month.  For your extra £2.50, you get a snazzy metal card plus:

  • Unlimited Amex usage (Curve Black is capped at £1000 per month for free and charges 0.65% afterwards)
  • CDW car rental insurance (not part of Black)
  • £600 vs £400 of free overseas ATM withdrawals (this in itself is worth £1 or so in extra Visa or Mastercard rewards)
  • Travel insurance includes lost baggage and personal belongings (Curve Black does not)
  • No ability to pay £15 per visit for LoungeKey airport lounge access

On this basis, I think Curve Metal justifies the small extra fee.  However, for many HfP readers the free Curve Blue card will be enough as I show in Part 2.

In Part 2 ….

In my second article today I will review Curve Black and the free Curve Blue.  Click here to read it.

How to apply for your Curve Card (free if you choose Blue)

Curve will pay you £10 for trying it out if you use our link.


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Comments (576)

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  • Paul says:

    Do the daily spend limit still count if you TOP UP with Amex.

    So could I load £20,000 onto it then pay my VAT bill in one hit?

    • Jonathan says:

      I asked curve that question and the answer was you can only spend up to your daily limit

      • Genghis says:

        I.e. topping up does not affect your limits, but spending it then does.

        • Alan says:

          Indeed – so you can easily have lots of cash sitting in your Curve Amex Wallet that you then can’t spend as you’ve already hit your spend limit!

  • Adam says:

    Am I the only one who thinks having an FX fee on weekends is absolutely ridiculous?

    There’s far too many stupid conditions on this card for it to be worth the hassle for me. Why can’t they just make it a simple link to Amex like they have for Mastercards and Visas, with 0% FX fee all the time? I would probably pay a little extra to have that simple functionality rather than having to faff with topping up from Amex and carefully taking note of the day to ensure I’m not getting charged an FX fee.

    • Rob says:

      Revolut does the same. IN THEORY it gives them a bit of protection against losing money due to changes in the FX rate over the weekend when they can’t trade. In reality, any gains or losses in FX over weekends should net out over time. I agree that it would have made sense to ditch this.

    • Filipe says:

      They had that functionality and amex forced them to stop offering it. That’s why they came up with this top up method, which amex approves of

    • John says:

      It’s because Curve guarantees the rate at the exact time of your transaction. You will notice that if you use MC or Amex directly you will not know the rate until 1-3 days after the transaction

      Revolut rate is still better than Curve if you do the conversion within Revolut on working days.

    • Mr. AC says:

      I’ve never seen a 0% FX card that’s actually 0% FX, apart from Curve or Revolut during the weekdays when the FX markets are open. The rest of the “0% FX” cards actually offer the Visa or MasterCard rates which are NOT mid-market.

  • Richard says:

    Curve Amex wallet/balance.

    I’m hoping that someone who participated in the Beta can enlighten me on how this works. I had assumed that there would be a single Amex wallet/balance that can be topped up with any of the Amex cards added to the Curve app. However, having added two different Amex cards (and having topped up £1k on one of them), that card is showing an “Amex Balance” of £1k and the other card is showing an “Amex Balance” of £0.

    For me, one of the obvious benefits of the Curve Metal would be to (say) draw down £2k from an Amex Platinum to Curve to immediately trigger a sign-up bonus, and then cancel the Amex Platinum (leaving the £2k credit on the Curve to be spent after the Amex Platinum has been closed). However, if the Amex Balance is card-by-card (rather than a single balance for all Amex cards), then I can imagine a stranded balance being left in the wallet that can’t be spent (e.g. if it’s not enough to buy something, and cannot be topped up because the underlying card has been closed).

    • MD says:

      The balance in the Amex wallet doesn’t disappear if you cancel that Amex. You can still spend it freely. You are effectively giving Curve the money the second you top up that card’s Amex wallet. It doesn’t matter what you subsequently do with that Amex. Source: did this myself, closed an SPG Amex and could still spend what was left in Curve.

      • Richard says:

        And so what happens when your SPG Amex wallet is down to (say) £27 and you want to buy something for £30? You can’t top it up with your SPG Amex any more, as that card is closed. Based on the current app, it doesn’t look like you can top it up from a different Amex either.

        • MD says:

          You can’t, you’ll presumably need to try and find something to buy for that exact amount.

        • Richard says:

          Ah. That was my worry (and why it would seem to make more sense to me to have a single Amex balance across a Curve account…!)

          I know it doesn’t sound like a big deal, but it would definitely affect my likelihood of getting a Metal for this particular use.

        • MD says:

          Yep I can see how it could be annoying, I was lucky I had a round number left and it was easy to use. Don’t use it to churn, just use it for any Amex you keep long term would seem to be easiest way. Or at least if you’re going to churn, use it for one large transaction and only load that exact amount.

        • Alan says:

          You’d just need to switch off auto top-up as there’ll be no valid underlying card to top-up from. For small odd amounts you could always just do an Amazon GC top-up etc.

        • Brad Flack says:

          I’ve been taking part in the beta and had exactly this situation.

          So just part-pay with the balance left on that Amex wallet.

          So if it’s a £30 purchase and you have £26.81 in your Amex wallet:
          – part pay with your Curve card of £26.81
          – pay the £3.19 balance on a different card

          I’ve done this 3 times over the last week, to run down my Amex balances to zero for cancelled cards.

        • Mark says:

          Can you not get an Amazon voucher etc for the exact amount?

    • Stuart says:

      Multiple Amex cards was not supported in beta, but the discussions mentioned there would be an individual wallet per card, not just a single Amex balance.

      • Brad Flack says:

        That’s not quite true – multiple Amex cards were supported on the beta; I had 4 registered at one time.

        And each card had its own wallet and you couldn’t move balances between them.

        • Alan says:

          Well they weren’t *officially* supported and they advised beta users not to add more than one 😉

        • chelynnah says:

          They were officially supported for st least the last couple of weeks. One of the more recent TestFlight updates included the ability to link more than one Amex.

    • Anna says:

      I presume you could go into a shop and split payment over 2 cards like all the HFP readers who do the Shop Small extravaganza at Christmas?! So you could pay £27 from your Amex then switch to another card for the rest. Like part paying with a gift voucher.

      • MD says:

        Good idea! You wouldn’t even need to pull out different cards, just switch between them in the app so even easier than SS.

        • John says:

          Not sure a shop would be too happy with you paying partial amounts with the same card!

  • Irons80 says:

    I have an RBS / Natwest Credit Card – they also charged me for a cash withdrawal via Curve…

    • Shoestring says:

      as will virtually all high st banks in short order – enjoy it while you can

  • Tom H says:

    I’m a legacy Curve Black holder and beta tester. If I upgrade to Metal I can get 4 months free, but does anyone know if there is any way to apply these 4 free months to the annual (single payment) cost? Or am I forced to take the more expensive pay monthly option?

    • MD says:

      You can take the 4 months free and then switch to the annual model, or at least that’s what I’ve been assuming. I actually paid for the cheaper annual model immediately, then saw the bit about the months and thought “bugger”. However the Curve community manager has posted advising anyone who did that to contact them and request s refund so we can get the full 4 months free. I doubt they’d be doing that if you couldn’t then switch back to the annual model.

    • Alan says:

      Yes but needs to be done via support, not an automatic option in-app to receive the credit.

  • Sundar says:

    Would an ISA account be topped up via the loaded funds from Amex ? Does anyone know ?

    • Tom H says:

      Nutmeg works, yes.

      • Simon says:

        Have you tried this recently? I can top up via a linked Mastercard, but not Amex.

    • Stuart says:

      Nutmeg and NS&I savings account have worked in the past

      • Sundar says:

        Thanks folks. Would be useful for other people to share in a future article’s comments once we have sufficient numbers up and running on the new Black/Metal cards.

        • Stuart says:

          It’s hard to share things on HFP these days, as the regulars get upset when stuff gets out, they complain to Rob, who deletes the comments.

        • The Urbanite says:

          It won’t be useful, because it will be shut down as soon as people start doing it en masse. This has happened before.

        • Alan says:

          No, it would be a bad idea

        • Sundar says:

          Fair enough, trial and error it is

  • Federico says:

    Is using Amex via curve to do transfers to friends with PayPal ok? Or even to yourself via a second account ?
    Could that be considered as cash recycling ?

    • Stuart says:

      Playing with PayPal is a dangerous game, regardless of the T&C’s of curve/underlying card.

      Leave well alone IMO

      • Russ says:

        But we can still pay a legit expense (new boiler for me) to a company who doesn’t have a mobile credit card machine via Paypal?

      • Neil says:

        Great advice Stuart – Paypal will take your money and lock down your account until they feel like opening it back up.

      • John says:

        Don’t use your real name or address with paypal and it works fine. I did it with 3V for thousands, (had about 10 paypals) but I’m not going to do it with Curve.

      • Federico says:

        Why is so? A friend of mine uses it to transfer his money from an foreign account to his English account – with a bad exchange rate but he has been doing it for years

        • Rob says:

          Do a Google search. They will close your account down and freeze your assets at the first sign of anything unusual. They have to do this because they would lose their licence to operate otherwise.

        • Sam says:

          Sorry just picking up on the point above, having your Amex linked to your paypal incurs higher fees? For whom? I often pay with PayPal when the merchant does not accept amex (And have my Amex linked to my paypal)

        • New Card says:

          @ Sam – the recipient of the payment (i.e. the Seller) pays the fees.

        • Federico says:

          i am talking about sending money to friends or family – ie without a fee – if you have your amex as source you will pay a fee of 2.9% + 50p (if i dont remember wrong). What I want to do in this case is top up my curve via amex let’s say by £500 and transfer money to a friend via PayPal – so officially I get the points and I pay my friend. I dont aim to have them send back to me or given back to me.

          I have done few times in the past with other credit cards via curve and never got any problems with that.. what are your thoughts/opinions?

        • John says:

          It should be ok if the Paypal accounts are established and have plenty of other activity and verified with bank

  • Tom Cook says:

    Downloaded the app, doesn’t seem to work for me, can’t add cards, other issues with selecting the card, logging in etc. Maybe it’s the amount of people jumping on the app today.

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