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NEW: Credit KLM and Air France flights to Qantas, and then redeem the miles on British Airways

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Qantas and Air France-KLM have a launched a new partnership which allows you to collect Qantas Points on ALL Air France and KLM flights.  As you can redeem Qantas Points for British Airways flights, this opens up interesting new opportunities.

Before I cover this in detail, let’s look at the background to this deal.

Qantas and Air France-KLM have an established codeshare

Late in 2018 we covered the new codeshare agreement between Qantas and Air France-KLM.  This is an interesting deal because the airlines are part of different alliances – Qantas is a member of oneworld, alongside British Airways, whilst Air France and KLM are core members of SkyTeam.

Earning Qantas points with Air France KLM

We have previously covered one strange little quirk from this new arrangement.  If you fly on KLM or Air France from Amsterdam or Paris to Singapore or Hong Kong, booked under the Qantas codeshare so your flight has a QF flight number, you can credit it to British Airways Executive Club and earn Avios and tier points.

You can do the same with Emirates.  As this article shows, book an Emirates flight with a Qantas flight number instead of an ‘EK’ Emirates flight number and it earns Avios and tier points.

It is important to note that Qantas is the only oneworld airline which lets you earn Avios and tier points when your flight has a oneworld flight code BUT is operated by a non-oneworld carrier.  The reasoning behind this is lost in the midst of time but relates to the now-dissolved BA and Qantas joint venture between the UK and Australia.

The Qantas joint venture with Air France-KLM has evolved

Last week, Qantas and Air France-KLM announced a deepening of their relationship.

You can now earn Qantas Points on ALL Air France and KLM flights.  They don’t need to have a Qantas flight number – any flight with an AF or KL flight number which is operated by Air France or KLM (no codeshares) counts.

What does this mean for you?

For UK residents, this opens up an interesting option.

If you fly Air France or KLM on a regular basis, you could start crediting your flights to Qantas Frequent Flyer instead of Flying Blue or any other SkyTeam frequent flyer partner.

This would allow you to redeem your points for British Airways flights, or indeed any other oneworld partner flight, via Qantas.

This isn’t necessary as great as it sounds though.  There are a few reasons why this may not be a great idea:

Firstly, you can’t merge your Qantas Points and Avios together.  You could book a one-way British Airways flight on Avios and book the return flight using Qantas Points.

Secondly, it isn’t easy to top-up your Qantas Points if you are short of what you need for a redemption.  They are not a UK American Express Membership Rewards partner, for example.

Thirdly, the Qantas Frequent Flyer reward chart is not hugely generous.  Take a look here at their chart for redemptions on partner airlines such as British Airways (the original is here) and remember that this is one-way pricing:

Qantas Frequent Flyer redemptions

Fourthly, you would be paying full taxes on European British Airways redemption flights – which is how most HFP readers would use a small pot of Qantas Points – instead of the reduced Reward Flight Saver fee of £35 return in Euro Traveller.  These flights will also, in general, require more Qantas Points than BA would require Avios.

Don’t forget the Virgin Atlantic / Air France / KLM partnership either

Starting VERY soon, you will be able to credit all Air France and KLM flights to Virgin Flying Club.

This is probably more attractive than crediting them to Qantas Frequent Flyer, because there are far more options for topping up a Virgin Flying Club balance.  It also opens up a new wave of airlines on which you can redeem.

I am expecting an announcement in the next few weeks on when you can start crediting Air France and KLM to Virgin.

Conclusion

If you have occasional Air France and KLM flights but have zero interest in Flying Blue miles, this new Qantas partnership gives you a new option which can see you ending up with a British Airways redemption.

For many HfP readers, however, I think Virgin Flying Club will soon be a more natural place to credit their Air France and KLM activity.


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How to earn Avios from UK credit cards (September 2021)

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There are two official British Airways American Express cards. Both have increased sign-up bonuses until 2nd November 2021:

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Comments (25)

  • Callum says:

    If you only have “occasional” AF/KLM flights then it’s pretty far fetched that you’d earn enough to make BA redemptions remotely viable. I feel like you’d be far better off crediting it to Air Europa in the hope they become Avios.

    I think you hugely understate how poor QFF is – particularly if you’re trying to book short haul BA flights.

    • Shoestring says:

      depends what the earn rate is – you need 14000-20000 Qantas miles to redeem & get one typical European leg

      quite a lot of people living in the regions use AF/ KLM and Paris/ Amsterdam as their hub instead of London

      so you’d imagine they could in time fly (say) 10 legs of AF/ KLM and earn enough for one BA Europe flight

      1. & then we’re asking what taxes and fees would be payable?
      2. what is the earn rate in Qantas miles when you fly AF/ KLM?

      • Callum says:

        Why would you guess that 10 legs = 20,000 points?

        For that amount of points, you’d have to fly 200 times in discount economy, 100 times in economy or 50 times in business.

        As I said – it’s a pretty absurd scenario!

        • Callum says:

          * Sorry, 40 times in business.

          • Shoestring says:

            well, I may have overestimated, but I didn’t mean Paris or Amsterdam would be likely to be the end destination when using those 2 airports as a hub, ie we’re not talking a leg as only being UK—>close-by airport/ small no of miles earned.

            There’s nearly always a part 2 leg, ie FROM Paris or Amsterdam to the destination airport, and that leg is nearly always going to be longer and could be long haul in a lot of cases.

            So (still guessing as I CBA to look up the earn rate), 2 legs in Economy could be Edinburgh—>Amsterdam—>New York, which is going to earn a lot more miles than (say) 2x Edinburgh—>Amsterdam, which is where you’re coming from.

          • Callum says:

            Of course, that was pretty stupid of me! Though the reason I dismissed it initially was of you’re regularly choosing to fly AF/KLM long haul, there’s not really a logical reason why you couldn’t redeem on Flying Blue/Delta etc and would need Qantas instead.

    • guesswho2000 says:

      QFF isn’t as poor value as it first appears, the problem outside Australia is the ability to earn QF points is more restricted, and crediting non-QF flights to QFF results in a reduced SC earn rate, so again not one to earn status on for non-QF regulars.

      If you fly QF, or even just live in Australia, you can really easily earn hundreds of thousands of points (120-150k from a credit card signup is the current max, offered by several banks), and suddenly it’s not such a poor idea after all.

      The value outside AU, I’d say, is in the partners. Even having additional access to EK/LY is beneficial, imo.

      • Callum says:

        I would argue that the ability to earn big sign up bonuses etc is somewhat irrelevant to the point that the reward scheme itself is poor.

        Especially in this context – where you’re trying to scrape together some miles to redeem on BA.

  • Tom says:

    I assume that you can still credit to BA on flights with a Qantas number?

  • Shoestring says:

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  • Maciek says:

    Wait – are we still expecting to be able to credit KL/AF flights to VS now that it’s been confirmed that VS share sale isn’t going ahead?

  • Nicholas E says:

    The only problem I have found is that if you book on KLM’s website, there is no option to put your Qantas Frequent Flyer number into a booking, or to add it later. It does not appear in the drop down menu for adding a frequent flyer account.

  • Marcw says:

    Remember to think outside the box. Qantas FF has some unique partners.

  • J says:

    Are we still expecting to be able to use Virgin Miles to spend on Air France flights at some stage soon? If so, any estimate as to when?

  • Rob says:

    Good point!

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