BA is refunding some Future Travel Vouchers – is your 2-4-1 voucher still protected?

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• Farid says:

  20 Dec20 December 05:29

  I think the damage for BA not to extend the hard earned 2 for 1 vouchers will be long felt by BA in loyalty. Everyone who successfully secured the voucher values it highly ( in excess of £1,500) so its likely to upset people if they loose it by no fault of their own as the Pandemic is still ongoing…who can say they can travel safely nowdays when the number of cases is soaring everywhere..

  • Lou says:

    20 Dec20 December 06:23

    Hardly, i suspect a small percentage of 2-4-1 vouchers are being used in this way

    • patrick C says:

      20 Dec20 December 06:42

      I am not so sure about that.
      If you do earn this voucher you are also quite likely to follow specialist websites as the scheme is not super straightforward. This the number may be quite significant.

• Kate Shaw says:

  20 Dec20 December 06:08

  This post is quite timely and hopefully someone can help. We are booked to go to Europe with avios and a 2-4-1 voucher next week, we need to cancel this due to covid restrictions at the destination. When I go in to ‘Manage My Booking’ and click on ‘cancel’ it takes me to a page about getting a voucher. I didn’t think I could get a voucher for a points flight but this post shows that I can. As I can’t get through on the phone I assume I proceed through the website to cancel my booking and get a voucher? Thanks! (First time poster but HFP subscriber for 8 years)

  • Rob says:

    20 Dec20 December 08:23

    You will get a Future Travel Voucher. It is impossible to issue an eVoucher for an Avios flight as ba.com cannot process them.

  • NickS says:

    20 Dec20 December 08:32

    Yes very simple to get a future travel voucher for an Avios and or 241 booking. I did it yesterday for. January flight to LAX and received the voucher by almost return email. The challenge is the issue of rebooking and actually getting through to the call centre which is well nigh impossible at the moment,

• Cheshire Pete says:

  20 Dec20 December 06:15

  Only wrapped my Dec ‘21 Expiring voucher last week! So hopefully I don’t get this refunded! By the way it was 4750 Avios and £35. It was never necessary to book a return in the first place, as is the case anyhow when booking a 241 Outbound only 365 days out, and adding the return at a later date.

• BJ says:

  20 Dec20 December 06:23

  I wish they would also convert small BAH FTV to evouchers to simplify those. Despite readers reporting some success in getting BAH FTV credited/refunded against bookings with avios, I have now failed to do so three times in succession. It seems I have been ultra unlucky or CSA have now been briefed to take a hard line on this.

  I now find myself in the situation where BA have cancelled flights using avios plus 2-4-1 that were tied up in a FTV. I have not got round to it yet but I do intend pushing for my rights to reroute and rebook on another airline. However, if I do this what happens to the flexibility of the new ticket on alternative airline? Is it dependent on fare rules of the new ticket or can I still change or cancel the hew booking for fees/refunds of cash, avios and 2-4-1 associated with the original BA award flight booking? If new fare rules apply to the rerouted flight BA books, will they male these clear for me before confirming the booking? Wondering if it might be better just to refund cancelled booking and make my own alternative arrangements.

  • meta says:

    20 Dec20 December 06:56

    Once you change to another airline it is a new ticket, so yes it’s governed by new rules. So for example, if you re-route on Qatar you are relinquishing your EU/UK261 rights on the inbound.

    • pauldb says:

      20 Dec20 December 07:29

      Yes but the new flights will still be on a BA avios booking. I don’t think there’s any risk they can’t still be cancelled for a £35 fee.

      • meta says:

        20 Dec20 December 09:04

        But on inbound you still then have no re-route rights on later on, no delay compensation, etc. Yes you can cancel before you travel, but imagine a scenario where you fly out and Qatar cancels your return.

        • pauldb says:

          20 Dec20 December 09:46

          There would be no delay compensation but BA couldn’t wash their hands of there first-cancelation obligation to re-route you.

        • meta says:

          20 Dec20 December 20:51

          @pauldb They would. Happened to some posters here last year (Iberia) and to me as well on American Airlines a few years ago. No obligation to re-route whatsoever.

        • BJ says:

          21 Dec21 December 05:36

          Belated thanks @meta and @pauldb for feedback.

• Mark says:

  20 Dec20 December 06:34

  By the looks of it, BA has come to its senses. Devil is in the detail but there’s no doubt the call centres have taken a hammering over FTVs, wearing everyone’s patience, including the staff getting their ear bent. Such a shame it has taken ‘management’ this long to realise the true damage this has caused to their brand.

  BA will no doubt be wondering how much the FTV fiasco contributed to the lack of return custom.

  I gave up on even trying to use my FTVs after a number of futile attempts with the call centre. The somewhat supercilious tone I was met with also left a sour taste.

  With all airlines suffering terribly, it is likely BA’s brand has suffered additionally due to the cack-handed FTV scheme.

  I’ll be looking out for the email, thank you for the heads up.

  • NorthernLass says:

    20 Dec20 December 08:32

    Totally agree. I am so hacked off with the way BA has behaved during the pandemic I am going to use up my 3 x 241s and then I’ll be taking my business to QR and other airlines which serve my local airport much better than BA. I’ve said it before but even EasyJet and Ryanair have offered immeasurably better customer service.

    • mecrash says:

      20 Dec20 December 09:18

      Try dealing with Lufthansa and getting your money back if the flight was still running..
      Suddenly BAs policy seems fantastic..
      I’ve lost money with Lufthansa, lost nothing with BA..
      Although admit, the calls were annoying and call hang ups with BA

• Alan says:

  20 Dec20 December 07:35

  I certainly hope they see sense, I’ve got an FTV from a 241 that expired in Nov 2020! If they want to refund Avios plus cash plus a new voucher then that’s fine, but I certainly don’t want to just suddenly lose the voucher!

  • AJA says:

    20 Dec20 December 07:58

    I think if BA starts unwinding FTVs containing 2-4-1 vouchers it would be fair (and easy and relatively cheap for BA) to simply refund double the Avios ie treat the FTV as if it contained the required Avios for two passengers. That way the 2-4-1 voucher could lapse and passengers would be no worse off.

    • elguiri says:

      20 Dec20 December 08:19

      I don’t think any of the people who bought Manchester return tickets would agree with you that it would be fair to refund double the small avios price paid…

      • NorthernLass says:

        20 Dec20 December 08:33

        Definitely not!

      • Cheshire Pete says:

        20 Dec20 December 08:38

        Indeed especially as did a single, so I’d get 2 x 4750! Lol!

      • Hbommie says:

        20 Dec20 December 08:46

        “….but Mr/Mrs Elguiri you chose to the original destination”

        What are the calculation would you use? 100k to JFK or 200k to Sydney?

        It would be a tricky negotiation to get to a satisfactory figure.

• Mark says:

  20 Dec20 December 07:52

  Surely the easy fix is to refund all these bookings but with the voucher expiry set to Sept 2023, this extends the voucher and takes pressure off the call centre.

  • ChrisC says:

    20 Dec20 December 08:35

    That just delays the calls it does not eliminate them.

    As Rob wrote it takes 20 minutes for a call centre agent to process one of these vouchers compared to seconds to use avios sitting in your BAEC account.

    Not all RFS bookings contain 2-4-1 vouchers. The email I got – and created a thread about in the BA forum last week – per the screen shot doesn’t mention 2-4-1 at all.

    My booking was a simple avios LON- AMS for about 15k avios and 50p.

    • Points Hound says:

      20 Dec20 December 23:09

      The comment is about vouchers that contain a 2-4-1. If they reinstate the voucher with a Sept 23 expiry date as suggested, there isn’t a call required so I’m unsure what your point is to be honest. I don’t think you actually understand that you can use a 2-4-1 voucher without a need to call.

      • Rob says:

        21 Dec21 December 09:17

        They do not reinstate the voucher with a 9/23 expiry.

  • Cwyfan says:

    20 Dec20 December 12:23

    Surely just refund the cash and Avios and issue a new 241 voucher with 2 years expiry. Job done!

    • Rob says:

      20 Dec20 December 12:24

      Bit unfair on all those people whose 241s were expired since 1st October because they didn’t play games with FTVs though ….

      Although I agree this is the obvious solution and they may be forced into it.

      • Nick says:

        20 Dec20 December 12:37

        As I detailed on a later page, this is exactly what BA wanted to do. They pushed very hard for it. But vouchers are NOT in BA’s control. They’re owned by AGL, who set the T&C, and refused point blank to do it. I know it’s hard to believe but there is no one in BA any more with any authority over the Exec Club at all.

• NorthernLass says:

  20 Dec20 December 07:55

  It was BA who offered the FTV and guaranteed that it would be valid until Sep 2023. It would be grossly unfair to unilaterally expire companion vouchers which are tied up in these, especially as it would mean that some people have had the opportunity to use them and some haven’t (possibly because they haven’t been able to get through to BA on the phone to redeem them!)

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