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How has British Airways been hit by Boeing’s 777X and 787 problems?

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If you thought Boeing’s woes were over now that the 737MAX is back in the skies, think again. The aircraft manufacturer is experiencing something of a horrendum decennium as it deals with delays and faults on virtually all of its aircraft types.

With the end of 747-8 production last year, Boeing now manufactures three aircraft families:

  • The 737 and 737MAX, its narrow-body workhorse
  • The 787 Dreamliner, the mid-size long haul aircraft
  • The 777, its large wide-body and the largest commercial twin-jet in existence, soon to get even bigger with the launch of the 777X
Boeing 777X 787 737 Max

All three programs have faced issues on and off since at least 2018 and there appears to be little end in sight until at least 2025.

Whilst deliveries of the 737MAX restarted in December 2020, 787 deliveries were suspended in October 2020. A handful were handed over to airlines in spring 2021 before deliveries were once again suspended.

At the same time, Boeing’s next big aircraft project – effectively ‘MAX’ing the 777 twin aisle – has faced numerous delays. This aircraft won’t start commercial operations until 2025 at the earliest, five years later than originally planned.

Boeing 777X delayed until 2025

As the biggest twin-engine aircraft available, the 777 is a workhorse for virtually all major airlines. The 777X, a stretched and re-winged 777 with first-of-its-kind folding wingtips, is likely to follow in the same vein. It is now the largest commercial aircraft available to order given that the 747-8 and A380 have ceased production.

Despite this, it hasn’t exactly flown off the shelves and has managed just over 300 orders so far. By comparison, the 787 had over 1,000 orders in the decade after launch.

The big news this week is that Boeing has quietly delayed commercial entry for the 777X again, this time to 2025.

When it was first launched in 2013, the 777X was due to enter service in 2020 with Lufthansa and Emirates, both of whom were early customers. Since order books opened the aircraft has been delayed numerous times:

  • initially to 2021 due to problems faced by the GE engines being used
  • …. then to 2022 because of reduced demand during covid
  • last year, the FAA said it could not certify the aircraft until 2023 at the earliest due to various issues including software delays
  • Emirates CEO Tim Clark said numerous times in 2021 he isn’t expecting deliveries until early 2024 at the earliest

Reuters is now reporting that the 777X won’t make its debut until early 2025, and this date has also been backed up by Tim Clark.

Part of the problem is that the 777X is the first major airplane to be certified following the 737MAX crisis. It is facing significantly increased regulatory scrutiny from both the US FAA and Europe’s EASA.

Boeing 777X

The 737 MAX 10 programme is also under pressure. A US law introduced in 2020 mandates a December 2022 deadline for new cockpit safety standards to be introduced, and this work has not yet been completed.

The issue is a major headache for airlines, particularly Emirates which is increasingly unhappy with the delays. Emirates has 115 x 777X planes on order to replace ageing aircraft and eventually the A380 fleet. It is now expecting a capacity crunch in the middle of this decade that will force it to extend the life of 80 A380 and 40-50 older 777s by six to ten years.

The delays also mean that Lufthansa’s much vaunted new 777X business class cabin, which was a “key factor” in Skytrax awarding the airline 5-Star status, will enter service seven years after the award was granted. The seat will appear on select A350s and 787s before it appears on a 777X. (Yes, Skytrax can be ‘persuaded’ to give your airline 5-Star status to reflect seats which don’t actually exist …..)

British Airways 787

787 deliveries have also been suspended

The 787 project is similarly beleaguered. After getting off to a rocky start – remember the battery fires? – Boeing did manage to ramp up production and start regular deliveries.

However, the 787 has been plagued by questions over quality control since its launch. It spurred a 2014 investigation by Al Jazeera that culminated in a 45 minute documentary called ‘Broken Dreams’ which you can watch on YouTube here.

Boeing’s Charleston factory has received particularly scrutiny for its shoddy production quality that has left tools and other debris within the aircraft frame. It lead to Qatar Airways refusing to accept delivery of any Charleston-built planes. A later New York Times investigation also found reports of staff being pressured not to report violations.

In September 2020 the FAA launched an investigation into quality control lapses and suspended all 787 deliveries after Boeing grounded eight aircraft. The majority of the in-service fleet continues to fly.

Initially, the problem involved ‘skin flatness’ where the carbon fibre fuselage pieces were joined. Deliveries then restarted – briefly – in Spring 2021 before the pause button was hit again after reports of fuselage problems. No 787s have been delivered since, down from a historic production rate of 12 per month.

There is light at the end of the tunnel. Reuters is reporting that Boeing has informed airlines and suppliers that it expects to be able to resume 787 deliveries in the second half of the year. Boeing has over a hundred 787s that are currently awaiting delivery, although it’s not clear how many of these will need further inspection and remedial work.

Airlines are just as keen for deliveries to restart in order to mitigate a capacity crunch. Both United and American Airlines have had to cut capacity and suspend routes as anticipated aircraft arrivals have been delayed.

United was expecting eight 787 deliveries in 2021 but has so far received none, whilst American Airlines has cancelled or reduced flights on several key routes.

British Airways BA 777X 777 9X

What does this mean for British Airways?

British Airways hasn’t remained unscathed by Boeing’s problems. The most visible impact is a raft of missing 787-10 deliveries.

Boeing completed delivery of 30 x 787-8 and 787-9 aircraft to BA between 2013 and 2018, which remain in operation.

In early 2020, BA received its first two 787-10s, the largest variant and the first of twelve on order. Unfortunately, it has not received any more since then. A further five have already been manufactured and are currently in storage at Boeing due to the delivery delays.

BA is also a customer for the 777X, with 18 x 777-9s on order. Initially, it was expecting to receive these from this year but these are now not likely until 2025 or 2026. This will also delay the launch of BA’s next-generation First Class seat, due to debut on the 777-9.

Fortunately, BA has taken delivery of another four Airbus A350s in the past two months, taking its fleet to 12, which is helping to plug the capacity gap.

Capacity issues at BA are unlikely to rear their head until 2023 or 2024. Right now, BA is struggling to recruit enough cabin crew to operate its existing fleet. With BA’s 747 fleet retired in 2020 rather than phased out by 2025 as per the original plan it will remain a significantly smaller airline post pandemic for some years to come.


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Comments (61)

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  • Mart says:

    Can’t comment on the Boeing problems but just got off a a350 to las Vegas ,most of the charging points in the club cabin not working! Wouldn’t normally mind I had work to do. Seat filthy food sub par ,what has happened to BA?

  • Asim says:

    Once they sort out their crewing issues, if demand continues ramping up as it has so far, why can’t they bring back their 747s to help with the capacity crunch. Don’t think they would have sold them yet.

    Sure it’ll cost them a bit to bring back into service, but if they’re not getting 777s until 2025 (and I’d bet there’ll be more delays between now and then), surely it’s worth it.

    • ChrisC says:

      Although this is from December 2020 it seems that BA only have one 747 still in its care with the others well in the way to being scrapped and recycled or turned into keyrings.

      https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-boeing-747-now/

      Even the ones that are still whole haven’t flown for approaching 2 years and will need to be thoroughly checked and if that’s a full C or D check then that isn’t quick or cheap. And then there will be the cost of buying or leasing them back as well.

      And many of the 747 pilots will have either retired or retrained to other aircraft and it also won’t be quick or cheap to retrain them either.

    • Rhys says:

      There are none left!

  • Matt says:

    Presumably this means they have an excess of Club Suite seats with fewer new aircraft to install them on?

    It would be nice if BA could retrofit the 787-8 and 787-9 aircraft earlier than planned, LHR-SYD could hugely benefit from an upgrade!

    • Rhys says:

      Sydney was historically a 777 so that might come back with Club Suite at some point.

      Once BA has finished installing Club Suite on the 777s this year I imagine it will turn to the 787s next year. The A380s will come last, I imagine.

      • Nick says:

        Sydney is now and will remain a 789 for fuel-efficiency reasons.

        The 787s will receive CS last. It’s actually a much more difficult business case to pass because of the density issue. In a 777 adding CS comes alongside the move to 10-abreast in economy, effectively retaining Y volume despite a significant loss in floorspace. There’s no scope to do this on the 787, so which number do you prioritise keeping, Y or J? If you had a business case agreed pre-covid, wouldn’t you insist on perhaps refreshing it in a post-covid world where business travel hasn’t returned as fast as leisure?

  • ChrisC says:

    Boeing are going to have to be perfect on all the paperwork for the 777x they submit to the FAA.

    After all the issues with the max they can’t afford to be seen to be hiding – let alone actually hiding – any issues.from the regulators and you can bet the regulators will have their fine tooth combs ready to check absolutely everything before giving their approval for it to enter passenger service.

  • TimM says:

    “horrendum decennium”, Is that ten times worse than a horrible bottom?

  • dougzz99 says:

    Skytrax. Why even mention such a flawed source.

  • Catalan says:

    So shouldn’t the headline actually read
    “How have airlines been hit by Boeing’s 777X and 787 problems?”

  • Stuart says:

    Saw an article yesterday that at the end of the year they will be flying more A380 routes than ever before. Surely there’s some ‘nearly new’ A380s knocking around at other airlines / leasing companies they could acquire.

    • Rhys says:

      The costs of refitting an A380 are insane. There are plenty around – Malaysia Airlines has ditched its A380s and so have many others – but I doubt we will see it happen.

      • Richie says:

        Are BA unlikely to re-fit their A380s at all?

        • Rob says:

          Unlikely until life expired. As Rhys said, BA looked at taking some more – you can pick them up 2nd hand for peanuts – but the refit costs are so high that buying a new aircraft is more attractive. (There are other snags, eg BA wants to keep one A380 engine supplier so only a few of those on the market are suitable. The first few made are also overweight and therefore disproportionately expensive to fly.)

          • insider says:

            BA will have to put the new Club Suite on the A380s. In theory, if they keep them for 25 years, they’ll be in the fleet until at least 2033. Can you imagine the outrage on flyertalk in 2033 if people are still flying on Ying Yang?!!

          • TGLoyalty says:

            buying a new plane might be “cheaper” but can you get new planes!

        • Rhys says:

          They said they will, but the A380 was hugely customisable by airlines which often limits the passenger layouts. BA will have its own to spec but as far as I understand it it would be harder work with someone else’s.

          The A380 also came with two engine providers and I imagine BA would want to stick with RR too which further reduces the pool of availability

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