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Why 180,000 Avios to Australia or New Zealand in Qatar business class is the new sweet spot

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Back in March, Qatar Airways officially adopted Avios as its frequent flyer currency. Qmiles are no more.

You can now link your British Airways Executive Club account with your Qatar Privilege Club account and move Avios back and forth at a 1:1 ratio. Our ‘how to’ guide to account linking is here.

If you think ‘so what?’ because you could already book Qatar Airways flights via British Airways Executive Club, then you need to think again.

Qatar Airways reward flight pricing dropped sharply, irrespective of where you book

Historically, if you booked a Qatar Airways flight on ba.com using Avios, it priced off the ‘partner reward chart’ which you can see in this HfP article.

This is no longer the case.

Since March, Qatar Airways flights should cost the same number of Avios irrespective of whether you book them on qatarairways.com via Privilege Club or ba.com via Executive Club.

This is an important point to remember. You don’t necessarily need to link your British Airways and Qatar Airways accounts, or book on the Qatar Airways website, to get these redemption deals. In fact, there are two good reasons why you should book them on ba.com:

  • if you are in a Household Account and you need more Avios for the ticket than you have in your personal Avios account, you have no choice but to book on ba.com
  • cancelling or changing your flight is easier via the BA call centre than calling Qatar Airways

Off the record, you should also know that – despite the official line – there can be differences in availability between ba.com and qatarairways.com for Qatar Airways flights. I recently booked a ticket for my wife on ba.com which wasn’t showing on qatarairways.com. This is probably down to an isolated IT issue.

There can also be differences in Avios cost for no logical reason, as my example below shows.

Qatar Airways has lower taxes and charges than British Airways on most routes

When comparing British Airways and Qatar Airways redemptions to a city where both airlines fly, you should find that taxes and charges are lower on the Qatar Airways flight.

You can’t use a British Airways American Express 2-4-1 companion voucher or a Barclays upgrade voucher on Qatar Airways redemptions, of course. Your flight will also involve a connection in Doha.

On the upside, there isn’t a single element of the Qatar Airways business class experience which is not superior to the British Airways equivalent.

Qatar Airways has a broad network of departure points across Europe, allowing you to save a substantial amount on Air Passenger Duty and UK airport charges.

Here is an example:

  • London to Singapore, Business Class, on Qatar Airways – £611 of taxes and charges
  • Dublin to Singapore, Business Class, on Qatar Airways – £365 of taxes and charges
  • Amsterdam to Singapore, Business Class, on Qatar Airways – £406 of taxes and charges

For comparison:

  • London to Singapore, Business Class, on British Airways – £873 of taxes and charges

The real difference is availability, however. In practice there are ZERO dates you can get British Airways Club World seats to Singapore on Avios over the next year. Qatar Airways has a lot more seats.

In terms of Avios cost, Qatar Airways needs 150,000 points return in Business Class from London. British Airways wants 175,000 Avios off-peak and 210,000 Avios on peak dates.

In theory, the Dublin and Amsterdam flights to Singapore are 150,000 Avios return too. In reality, ba.com is pricing them at 186,000 Avios. This is incorrect – qatarairways.com prices them correctly at 150,000 Avios return, the same price as London departures.

Qatar Airways also has a superior Business Class product to British Airways, especially if you can secure flights with Qsuite:

Qsuite

and, especially good for families:

Qatar Qsuite

Our most recent Qsuite flight review from June is here.

Australia and New Zealand is the real sweet spot

In our Singapore example above, Qatar Airways wants 150,000 Avios return from London. British Airways wants either 175,000 or 210,000 Avios depending on date.

The real sweet spot is Australia and New Zealand, however.

Destinations in Australia and New Zealand served by British Airways:

  • Sydney

Destinations in Australia and New Zealand served by Qatar Airways:

  • Adelaide
  • Auckland
  • Brisbane
  • Canberra
  • Melbourne
  • Perth
  • Sydney

The real difference is in the Avios you need

Look at Sydney. British Airways, in the unlikely opportunity that you can find a seat, wants 250,000 or 300,000 Avios return in Business Class.

Qatar Airways wants just 180,000 Avios and £600 of taxes and charges in Business Class and it flies to multiple cities across Australia as well as Auckland.

Here is an example from Manchester to Perth:

(Note, in this example, the taxes and charges figure was £20 lower on ba.com than qatarairways.com.)

You don’t even need to spend £600 on taxes and and charges. Start your trip in, say, Amsterdam and your Amsterdam – Doha – Sydney trip will cost you only €507 (£445) in add-ons.

Remember that Avios transfer to and from British Airways Executive Club to Qatar Privilege Club in a 1:1 ratio.

You can transfer your Avios to Qatar Privilege Club

Qatar Airways guarantees Avios seats in all cabins on all flights

Like British Airways, Qatar Airways guarantees Avios seats in all cabins on all flights. The exact amount will vary by cabin and by aircraft type, but there will be at least two Business Class seats available.

Conclusion

We have given the new Qatar Airways / Avios partnership a decent amount of coverage since March, but we have been a bit neglectful in making it clear quite how good value some of the redemptions are.

You don’t even need to move your Avios into Qatar Privilege Club to book these deals. In most cases, availability, Avios pricing and taxes are identical across ba.com and qatarairways.com. However, I strongly suggest checking on both sites because – as we have shown above – it is possible that there are differences in availability and/or Avios required and/or taxes and charges.

Anyone who complains about the lack of British Airways American Express 2-4-1 companion voucher availability to Sydney has the answer.

Using a 2-4-1 and spending 300,000 Avios on British Airways to Sydney is not sensible in most cases. You can spend 180,000 Avios per person for a superior experience on Qatar Airways, whilst also:

  • paying less in taxes and charges
  • getting a superior seat and service (albeit BA now has Club Suite on Sydney)
  • having a wider choice of UK departure airports
  • having a far wider choice of Australia and New Zealand destination airports and
  • saving your 2-4-1 voucher for another trip

How to earn Avios from UK credit cards

How to earn Avios from UK credit cards (April 2024)

As a reminder, there are various ways of earning Avios points from UK credit cards.  Many cards also have generous sign-up bonuses!

In February 2022, Barclaycard launched two exciting new Barclaycard Avios Mastercard cards with a bonus of up to 25,000 Avios. You can apply here.

You qualify for the bonus on these cards even if you have a British Airways American Express card:

Barclaycard Avios Plus card

Barclaycard Avios Plus Mastercard

Get 25,000 Avios for signing up and an upgrade voucher at £10,000 Read our full review

Barclaycard Avios card

Barclaycard Avios Mastercard

5,000 Avios for signing up and an upgrade voucher at £20,000 Read our full review

There are two official British Airways American Express cards with attractive sign-up bonuses:

British Airways American Express Premium Plus

25,000 Avios and the famous annual 2-4-1 voucher Read our full review

British Airways American Express

5,000 Avios for signing up and an Economy 2-4-1 voucher for spending £15,000 Read our full review

You can also get generous sign-up bonuses by applying for American Express cards which earn Membership Rewards points. These points convert at 1:1 into Avios.

American Express Preferred Rewards Gold

Your best beginner’s card – 20,000 points, FREE for a year & four airport lounge passes Read our full review

The Platinum Card from American Express

40,000 bonus points and a huge range of valuable benefits – for a fee Read our full review

Run your own business?

We recommend Capital on Tap for limited companies. You earn 1 Avios per £1 which is impressive for a Visa card, along with a sign-up bonus worth 10,500 Avios.

Capital on Tap Business Rewards Visa

Huge 30,000 points bonus until 12th May 2024 Read our full review

You should also consider the British Airways Accelerating Business credit card. This is open to sole traders as well as limited companies and has a 30,000 Avios sign-up bonus.

British Airways Accelerating Business American Express

30,000 Avios sign-up bonus – plus annual bonuses of up to 30,000 Avios Read our full review

There are also generous bonuses on the two American Express Business cards, with the points converting at 1:1 into Avios. These cards are open to sole traders as well as limited companies.

American Express Business Platinum

40,000 points sign-up bonus and an annual £200 Amex Travel credit Read our full review

American Express Business Gold

20,000 points sign-up bonus and FREE for a year Read our full review

Click here to read our detailed summary of all UK credit cards which earn Avios. This includes both personal and small business cards.

Comments (127)

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  • Ben says:

    The biggest issue is lack of J space on BA to use 2-4-1 vouchers (even with the “new’ voucher with more availability). Family of 4 travelling from EDI to SE Asia has very few/zero options. The vouchers have become almost impossible to use and certainly not not F, like we used to aim to use it for.

    • Numpty says:

      I think the main issue at moment is a lack of flights to SEA by BA as it still opens up after lockdowns (and a lack of BA aircraft and crew). Would be good to see KUL and BKK back, and ramping up of flights into SIN (upped to twice per day in Nov) and HKG (start in Dec), but that could be another 1 or 2 years, or more. Until then award availability to SIN will continue to be used up by travellers competing for Oz, SIN and those using SIN as a hub for rest of SEA.

      F seat availability is much reduced due to the 747s being ditched, and the new Club Suite taking up more space. There are a lot less F seats available for booking using cash.

      MAS award availability from LHR or AMS to KUL has always been terrible, usually releasing just 1 seat per cabin, which is useless. CX was sometimes a good option, had a great F redemption with them when was flush with avios.

      Out of EDI to SEA QR is a good option if you can put with the Doha connection (which i hate as it breaks up sleeping time on plane and makes jet lag worse), but I too want to be using a 241 voucher. Rob has hinted a few times that QR would like to find a way of accepting the 241 voucher, fingers crossed. Said before, they should make it into an IAG voucher (or even better a Oneworld 241 voucher).

      • BJ says:

        I’ ve decided to do INV-LHR-HND/HKG-LHR-EDI, totsl 150k avios plys £650 vir teo using amex 241. I hope BKK is back for winter 23 /24.

        • Numpty says:

          I’m hoping KUL is back for Dec 23 as we have a wedding to attend, and plenty of notice to plan the flight, i might have to go a circuitous route to get there with BA! There had been rumours about slots being kept free at LHR for KUL, but that was at start of 22 and nothing since.

          • BJ says:

            If you have the time it might be wise to lock in SIN before off peak ends in event you will not get preferred dates to SIN or KUL closer to 23rd, even though it leaves you on the hook for cancellation fees. I think @SamG mentioned decidions were made that KUL was gone for good and BKK for seasonal even before pandemic.

      • Ben says:

        Indeed. You’re totally right.

        I don’t mind the DOH connection. We’ve even done a stopover to fully break things up – but that was pre kids and on a month long holiday flying in to SYD.

        I previously struggled due to ex-EU cash fares making redemptions poor value. We did ARN-HKT/BKK-HEL-EDI in J over Christmas and new year for £650pp last year!

  • Adam Foster says:

    Thanks for this, off the back of which i looked at Tokyo redemptions (given JAL recently significantly increased their fuel surcharges). On 29 September I can see business class availability on ba.com for Lon-TYO in Business but it prices out at 103,000 Avios, which is the sum of Avios needed for LHR-DOH and DOH-TYO. Looking at the information on Qatar Airways suggests this should be more like 80,000. If thats the case has anyone tried calling BA to correct manually or is the only option to transfer Avios to Qatar Airways?

  • Chris says:

    I don’t seem to get this pricing for EDI->SYD next September on the BA site. When I can find availability for a pair of J returns it always comes up as 452000 Avios + £1,213.90 for the total, making a return 226,000 avios each rather than 180,000. Does BA price the legs individually or something?

    • Rob says:

      As the article says, there are occasions where BA is pricing incorrectly. If you plug the same dates into the Qatar website it should price at 150k.

  • LostAntipod says:

    I took advanatge of exactly this avios difference in May. I prefer travelling Qatar over BA in many respects, but if you think BAs support when a flight is disrupted or cancelled is bad, Qatar’s is absolutely appalling. And no matter how bad, they dont care to respond to you with anything other than the statutory eu261 payment and verbage about how they are the world’s #1 airline. You pays your money and takes your chances.

    • Rob says:

      This is why the article encourages booking through BA – IF you can get pricing to match, as it should.

  • Neil says:

    Out of interest, is there a reward flight redemption chart for Qatar available anywhere that shows the avios redemption cost by distance bands (or do they not operate redemptions this way anymore)? I’ve only ever seen one in QMiles format but haven’t seen one after they switched to Avios.

    The 180k to Australia/NZ does seem like very good value as I’ve looked at some of the redemptions to SE Asia which are about 150k avios on Qatar (not too dissimilar to BA’s redemption cost for a flight of that distance) whereas the extra 30k avios to get to Aus/NZ with Qatar is much less than the comparable extra cost on BA.

    Would be very helpful to have a Qatar airways redemption chart (if there is one!) to look for some other sweet spots

    • Rob says:

      Totally agree Neil. It is on our ‘to do’ list and, frankly, we should have done it by now but it has slipped through the cracks. It will happen.

      • Neil says:

        Great to hear!

        and @Aston100 – I did mean that thank you. However, I’ve checked a few and it doesn’t seem to quite work as expected. For example, if I check LON-MNL this shows up at 160k avios which isn’t even an option on the chart (whereas LON-SGN shows up at 150k which is in line with what the chart predicts). Similarly the LON-Aus/NZ routes show as 170k in that chart but are pricing now at 180k.

        So maybe this version of the chart is a bit dated and Qatar have made some amendments to how they calculate redemptions at some point? Or I’m just misinterpreting it…

  • George K says:

    Bring back the Auckland QR J cash fares for £800, I say!

    (sigh)

  • Aston100 says:

    Is there any logic around when they make reward seats available at ‘regular’ avios price?
    All I see is Q2 double avios on all the dates I’ve looked at from Easter onwards for destinations that interest me.

    • BJ says:

      Observed the same for next August and September. I was surprised as I had previously seen a decent spread of regular reward seats.

  • Angela Garcia says:

    I want to fly to Auckland at the end of 2023 from London and home from Sydney with Qatar Airlines using Avios. However, the only flights to Auckland, via Doha, I can find is via an Australian city. Anyone know if this is the norm?

    • Andrew J says:

      Probably no availability.

      • Angela Garcia says:

        I didn’t make myself clear, I wasn’t referring to reward seat availability. I am asking if there are direct Qatar flights from Doha to Auckland?

        • kaconym says:

          Pre pandemic yes, now no. DOH-AKL direct used to be operated by A350s. With so many of Qatar’s now out of service with the ‘paint issue’ they’re having to use 777-300ERs on the route, which can’t really handle the distance direct.

          It might come back but for the moment it’s a 5th freedom flight / tech stop in Adelaide, so you need to deplane hang out in the terminal for a bit and reboard the same aircraft. No chance of missing the connection but it does require an hour in the terminal.

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