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Why do Virgin Atlantic points upgrades on cash tickets not earn more tier points?

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Back in 2021, Virgin Atlantic did something revolutionary. It became the first airline to offer tier points towards elite status on REDEMPTION flights.

This is surprisingly attractive. My family will do two Virgin Atlantic Upper Class redemptions this year, and it will give all of us the 400 tier points needed for Silver status.

The benefits of Silver are not great, of course, but it does mean that my unused Virgin Atlantic Reward Mastercard vouchers will be worth 150,000 Virgin Points each instead of 75,000. This is a benefit worth having.

tier points on Virgin Atlantic flight upgrades

As a reminder, these are the tier points you earn on reward flights booked with Virgin Points:

  • Economy: 25 tier points each way
  • Premium: 50 tier points each way
  • Upper Class: 100 tier points each way

Flexible cash tickets earn more points, but these are also the amounts you earn on the cheapest cash tickets.

Silver requires 400 tier points in 12 months, Gold requires 1,000.

What about tier points on upgrades to cash tickets?

It is possible to upgrade a cash ticket with Virgin Points.

Another attractive feature of Virgin Flying Club is that you can upgrade by multiple cabins with Virgin Points. You can go straight from Economy Delight / Classic (but not Economy Light) to Upper Class if you wish.

There is a tier point quirk, however.

Two readers have got in touch in recent months to point out an issue with the Virgin Atlantic upgrade system.

Let’s look at an example:

  • You book an Upper Class reward ticket on Virgin Points – you receive Upper Class tier points
  • You upgrade an existing reward ticket to an Upper Class reward ticket – you receive Upper Class tier points
  • You upgrade an existing cash ticket to Upper Class with Virgin Points – you receive tier points for the ticket class you originally booked
tier points on Virgin Atlantic flight upgrades

Two people can be travelling on the same flight – one on an Upper Class reward ticket and one on a cash economy ticket upgraded to Upper Class with Virgin Points – and see huge differences in the tier points they receive.

This issue predates giving tier points on reward flights

For most airlines, it is totally normal that someone who upgrades a cash flight with miles will only receive status points based on the ticket they paid for.

This was the policy of the old British Airways Executive Club, and no-one complained.

It was also the policy of Virgin Flying Club before it started giving tier points on reward flights, and no-one complained.

However, given that Virgin Atlantic will now give you 200 tier points for an Upper Class return reward flight, it seems a little unfair that someone upgrading an Economy Classic cash ticket to Upper Class on points would only receive 50 tier points.

You can see written confirmation of this policy in the upgrade terms and conditions on the Virgin Atlantic website here.


How to earn Virgin Points from UK credit cards

How to earn Virgin Points from UK credit cards (April 2025)

As a reminder, there are various ways of earning Virgin Points from UK credit cards.  Many cards also have generous sign-up bonuses.

You can choose from two official Virgin Atlantic credit cards (apply here, the Reward+ card has a bonus of 18,000 Virgin Points and the free card has a bonus of 3,000 Virgin Points):

Virgin Atlantic Reward+ Mastercard

18,000 bonus points and 1.5 points for every £1 you spend Read our full review

Virgin Atlantic Reward Mastercard

3,000 bonus points, no fee and 1 point for every £1 you spend Read our full review

You can also earn Virgin Points from various American Express cards – and these have sign-up bonuses too.

American Express Preferred Rewards Gold is FREE for a year and comes with 20,000 Membership Rewards points, which convert into 20,000 Virgin Points.

American Express Preferred Rewards Gold

Your best beginner’s card – 30,000 points, FREE for a year & four airport lounge passes Read our full review

The Platinum Card from American Express comes with 50,000 Membership Rewards points, which convert into 50,000 Virgin Points.

The Platinum Card from American Express

80,000 bonus points and great travel benefits – for a large fee Read our full review

Small business owners should consider the two American Express Business cards. Points convert at 1:1 into Virgin Points.

American Express Business Platinum

50,000 points when you sign-up and an annual £200 Amex Travel credit Read our full review

American Express Business Gold

20,000 points sign-up bonus and FREE for a year Read our full review

Click here to read our detailed summary of all UK credit cards which earn Virgin Points

Comments (34)

  • paul says:

    “Another attractive feature of Virgin Flying Club is”

    There are NO attractive features any more.

    The points devaluation has made being in the Club a process of trying to dump remaining points on random specials offers like wine etc

    With the anti-US sentiments, Virgin will be lucky if they’re still flying in 2 years – and will regret alienating their once loyal flyers.

    • Rob says:

      Very simplistically ….. VS has a good status programme and a bad points programme.

      BA has a bad status programme but a good points programme.

      • paul says:

        The article refers to Virgin Silver Status of having little benefit – other than to double the redemption voucher by 75,000.

        That extra 75,000 (making 150,000) can be used against a flight which has increased x2, x3, x4 etc

        • Rob says:

          You have to work with what you’ve got though. And 150k off is better than 75k off.

          Sweet spot is now for a solo traveller, booking a 6k economy redemption and using the voucher to upgrade to a ‘up to 156k’ Upper seat.

          • Paul B says:

            Oh! How does this work again?

          • mark says:

            Rob
            Perhaps a worked example would be a “nice to have” if this is the sweet spot as you say.
            wife and I are both Silver status with a voucher each.

      • JDB says:

        For BA, the interplay between the two in the new world is going to be interesting. Easy enough to jump ship for a status match, less easy as a UK (and particularly London based) resident to exit the Avios world if interested in good redemptions.

        • CJD says:

          The people leaving the Avios world are cutting their noses off to spite their face. Iberia going West, particularly with a 2-4-1 offer incredible value, and Qatar going East also offers good value and has decent regional coverage to avoid London.

          • JDB says:

            @CJD – definitely! Plus JL, AY, CX, QF are also great options. Cancelling BAPP reported by many in response to the changes seems an odd response as well.

            So people can have galactic status in FB which they possibly status matched a bit early in a fit of pique and they will now need to earn for next year, but are they going to earn enough points from flying/cards for redemptions and SkyTeam airlines not so attractive anyway? Or will they stick to Avios collection but have no status on OW airlines? Earning status on another OW carrier seems the better option if status is important.

          • memesweeper says:

            Personally I’m not planning to leave the Avios world. But I will not be crediting cash flights to BA has the number of Avios earned through that route is — for me, and most travellers — negligible. If I credit cash flights to Alaska or R Jordanian I’m not loosing enough Avios to care.

        • daveinitalia says:

          That’s why I think the Iberia scheme is worth a look, you can still earn Avios on things that only earn Avios on BA (like Nectar), but if you put other stuff that earns Avios in both schemes (like Avis) into Iberia you will also get tier points.

          Not to mention Iberia’s tiers are based in euros so it’s easier to hit the targets and the per flight bonuses on Iberia cover IB, BA and AA whereas BA’s scheme only covers their own flights.

          It’s significantly easier to earn points with IB and you can move the points between the other Avios schemes.

      • Novice says:

        Rob, I agree. I am Virgin silver despite crediting aI think crediting only one longhaul flight.

    • Throwawayname says:

      VS redemptions on SkyTeam airlines, particularly short-haul, can be pretty good value. And free bags for silver card holders on AFKL can easily be worth well over 50% of the ticket price. It’s an excellent back-up programme.

      • AL says:

        Free seat selection, too! Whilst not officially the policy, I’ve travelled with two people in the last twelve months with VS Silver on AFKL and they’ve asked live chat and got free seat selection.

  • Ramsey says:

    The other good thing worth pointing out, is that Virgin status is based on a rolling 12 months, not calendar years like BA. I took a points Upper Class flight in March and have another in Nov, so will retain Silver for 12 months from the second flight. I’ve had the Virgin+ card for many years, but only realised (thanks to a HforP article) you can also hold the free card as well, so took that out earlier this year. On the free card you have to spend £20k to get the voucher but it’s worth it from my perspective as it’s 2 vouchers worth 150k points each. I was originally in the camp with others, bemoaning Virgins dynamic pricing, but I’ve found with a bit of flexibility (and lots of date searches) I can get the travel plans I want. I’m also hoping with the fall in transatlantic demand for more rewards to become available….

  • LittleNick says:

    I thought in a previous article you said you can have the upper class tier points if you elect to forfeit the air miles or has this changed? Apologies if I’ve got this wrong

    • Rob says:

      Doesn’t ring a bell.

      • LittleNick says:

        May have been a comment, sure I read it somewhere

        • Travel Strong says:

          There were 2 forum threads asking about it, with no foundation as to it being a real thing, which is where the threads concluded.

    • AL says:

      You used to be able to do that, and I did that a few times (and, if Rob wants some evidence to back the claim up, I’m happy to send to him!). It wasn’t advertised, of course, but it was an option.

  • Bavsax says:

    I recently accepted a voluntary downgrade on VS from UC to PE and in additional to compensation still received tier points from the original booking in UC for that sector.

    • AL says:

      If you were initially ticketed in J (which it sounds like you were), then this is correct. The downgrade is compensated not by giving you the TPs you would have got had you flown the correct cabin, but by the compensation.

  • Michael says:

    Me and my wife are totally confused with this points business,we have a voucher worth 75.000 points we have a balance through a virgin credit card worth 80 odd thousand points,so over 150,000 we have a holiday booked the 29th this month to Barbados for 10 days booked with virgin cash in economy How can we first use these points to upgrade into silver tier status so that we can double our points.
    After spending over £20,000 on this credit card which also cost £160 and this our second holiday with virgin in the year could do with some expert advice.We also traveled with British Airlines this year which resulted in an upgrade to bronze.

    • Rob says:

      As the article says, you get NOTHING extra, tier point wise, for upgrading a cash flight unfortunately. You just get economy tier points.

    • AL says:

      You have a Virgin Points balance, not a Tier Points balance. Tier Points equals status – 400 for Silver, 1000 for Gold. Renews annually (not going to get in to the upgrade periods here, as it’s a little more involved). You cannot use Virgin Points to get in to a higher status in Flying Club unless you spend them on flights – either part-pay (i.e. pay down a cash balance with points, which is often poor value) or fully redeem (i.e. only taxes and fees to pay in cash, which can be a good value but sometimes isn’t).

      Once you have status, that status (and the associated benefits) is/are then valid on any future flights you take until it expires, unless you accrue 400 or 1000 points in the year to renew it again for the following one.

  • Adz says:

    Rob are you saying in a household account you can also pool tier points?

  • QFFlyer says:

    It did not, Qantas beat VS to it by a year.

  • PeterK says:

    Is the redemption voucher value (75k or 150k points) based on your status when it triggers or when you book?

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