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  • Lady London 2,140 posts

    – The lady at breakfast in the silk dress, and the man in neatly pressed linen shorts have made an effort to look chic; you should show some respect by doing the same thing. Athleisure, running shoes, shapeless shorts and a baggy t-shirts have no place in sophisticated society.

    Definitely not.

    I void my bowels immediately after breakfast, so it’s always clean teeth, tidy up hair, dress lightly in baggy shorts, shapeless t/hoody and slip-on trainers. Go down and have breakfast.

    Finish breakfast, start to feel the morning cramps, board the lift sweating with anxiety that today will be the day that the lift sticks, the cramps tease my anxiety further, deep breaths, sprint along the corridor to the room, evacuate!

    Shave, shower, and then put on my silk blend polo, tidy fitted shorts and appropriate footwear ready to start the day.

    Um ..is the correct response here “Thank you for sharing” ?

    Worst I saw was a very nice 4* hotel in Istanbul that I’m not going to tell you the name of, a whole 6-person American family came down to breakfast all in dressing gowns, and the ladies also in fluffy mule slippers and turban hair towels. They seemed to think this was normal.

    Perhaps they’d had a rough flight in the day before and the airline had lost their 6 people’s luggage.

    yorkieflyer 259 posts

    Dress nicely for dinner certainly, far too many men don’t extend their female partners that courtesy but dressing for breakfast, excuse me.

    jj 533 posts

    Dress nicely for dinner certainly, far too many men don’t extend their female partners that courtesy but dressing for breakfast, excuse me.

    If you don’t have time to button a shirt before breakfast, you’re doing something wrong with your life. No-one is suggesting that you go into battle with a recalcitrant bow tie, but it’s actually quicker to slip on a pair of suede driving loafers than to tie up the laces on your running shoes. And, for the women, the aforementioned silk dress is quicker to put on than the baggy shorts and shapeless t-short that some seem to prefer.

    I’m intrigued. Why would you choose to wear scruffy clothes instead of elegant attire?

    TooPoorToBeHere 267 posts

    board the lift sweating with anxiety that today will be the day that the lift sticks, the cramps tease my anxiety further, deep breaths, sprint along the corridor to the room, evacuate!

    Getting into a lift in such circumstances is schoolboy error on the same level as “sitting down to use the facilities without checking for toilet paper first”, “putting anything mission-critical into checked bags” or “expecting human decency from the staff at MAN”.

    Blair Waldorf Salad 1,158 posts

    Dress nicely for dinner certainly, far too many men don’t extend their female partners that courtesy but dressing for breakfast, excuse me.

    If you don’t have time to button a shirt before breakfast, you’re doing something wrong with your life. No-one is suggesting that you go into battle with a recalcitrant bow tie, but it’s actually quicker to slip on a pair of suede driving loafers than to tie up the laces on your running shoes. And, for the women, the aforementioned silk dress is quicker to put on than the baggy shorts and shapeless t-short that some seem to prefer.

    I’m intrigued. Why would you choose to wear scruffy clothes instead of elegant attire?

    There’s this thing called a low cost carrier (…nope, me neither) that charge for bags and every excess kilo of said bag. Thus some people prefer to only pack clothes that will take them through the day from buffet breakfast to beach and back. I don’t think said people engage in Carrie Bradshaw-esque outfit change montages.

    JDB 4,643 posts

    Dress nicely for dinner certainly, far too many men don’t extend their female partners that courtesy but dressing for breakfast, excuse me.

    Nobody is asking anyone to wear black tie for breakfast, but it is a courtesy to other guests and obviously one needs to dress appropriately at all times, commensurate with the calibre of the hotel. If you are staying in a proper five star hotel, turning up for breakfast in the attire described above and without having showered is rather unpleasant for other guests, particularly if indoors. Many people unfortunately seem to have lost all sense of propriety (for themselves or their children) as to how to dress or conduct themselves in public.

    jj 533 posts

    Dress nicely for dinner certainly, far too many men don’t extend their female partners that courtesy but dressing for breakfast, excuse me.

    Nobody is asking anyone to wear black tie for breakfast, but it is a courtesy to other guests and obviously one needs to dress appropriately at all times, commensurate with the calibre of the hotel. If you are staying in a proper five star hotel, turning up for breakfast in the attire described above and without having showered is rather unpleasant for other guests, particularly if indoors. Many people unfortunately seem to have lost all sense of propriety (for themselves or their children) as to how to dress or conduct themselves in public.

    Whilst I obviously complete agree with you, @JDB, I have observed that guests in 5* hotels often have particularly poor dress sense. I think that’s partly down to the popularity of mass-market 5* places (Intercontinental, Hyatt, etc) with Americans and other people who mistakenly think that 5* means high class. It’s probably also due to the anonymity of large hotels: if you will never again see a fellow guest, it’s easier to disrespect them.

    In my experience, the best-dressed clientele are invariably to be found in small, design-led, upmarket boutique hotels. If the hotel is popular with Italians, double that observation.

    jj 533 posts

    My most extreme example of 5* hotels attracting low-end guests was two British women sat on opposite sides of the swimming pool last year (this was not a beach hotel so Rule 1 did not apply) and conversing loudly over the heads of the children in the water (their own, thankfully) in very graphic terms about the precise ways in which they enjoyed achieving orgasm.

    My wife and I retired to the garden for some peace and quiet. Sadly, you cannot buy class.

    JDB 4,643 posts

    @jj yes, that’s why I used the term ‘proper’ five star hotel, and I agree the anonymity, bed factory style and dreariness of these places like IC and the higher brands of other chains take them well outside the 5* bracket and to be avoided if possible. It’s a bit unfortunate that Brits and Americans are by far the worst sartorial offenders.

    Peter K 582 posts

    Each person has their own view of what a holiday entails. Personally I wear formal clothing at least part of the day 7 days a week at home (for work, various meetings etc).

    It is a pleasure for me to be able to dress down when on holiday. To wear smart clothing for breakfast would not allow me to relax out of my everyday routine enough, a key feature of a holiday for me. I do smarten up for dinner personally, but I understand why others may not want to. I do feel when a lady dresses up and a gentleman wears a casual t-shirt & shorts it is showing disrespect to her, but again that is my view.

    However, I believe I can’t consider my way of viewing the world is the best/right way. That would be a blinkered way to view things.

    Rui N. 855 posts

    Bringing a shirt to vacation? LOL

    SteveJ 1,004 posts

    To wear smart clothing for breakfast would not allow me to relax out of my everyday routine enough, a key feature of a holiday for me.

    As with all such discussions there is a balance. There are shirts and there are shirts.

    A relaxing linen shirt with a smart pair of shorts wouldn’t feel the same as work clothes to me and would feel entirely fitting to wear on holiday for breakfast.

    NorthernLass 8,248 posts

    Personally, as long as my fellow guests keep their noise to what I consider to be an acceptable level, I don’t waste any of my holiday judging them in other areas!

    slidey 294 posts

    I’m intrigued. Why would you choose to wear scruffy clothes instead of elegant attire?

    Cos the 1950s ended 🙂

    Aston100 1,449 posts

    Personally, as long as my fellow guests keep their noise to what I consider to be an acceptable level, I don’t waste any of my holiday judging them in other areas!

    This.
    Though I do get annoyed when people act as if they’ve never seen food before and overload their plates at the breakfast buffet, invariably wasting a lot of it.

    memesweeper 1,296 posts

    Bringing a shirt to vacation? LOL

    some people can’t relax if they look smart

    some people can’t relax if they don’t — I’m very much in the latter camp

    JDB 4,643 posts

    I’m intrigued. Why would you choose to wear scruffy clothes instead of elegant attire?

    Cos the 1950s ended 🙂

    That’s ridiculous. Respect for others (especially one’s partner), respect for one’s environment, dressing well and romance have never gone out of fashion, nor ever will. I’m pleased that younger members of our extended family in the late teens to late thirties range agree and love being given good quality old smart clothes or buying them in vintage shops. Girls have spotted the quality of the fabrics, finish and timeless chic sexy look and the boys definitely notice the difference vs tarty modern polyester outfits with terrible hems and girls quite definitely notice smartly dressed men.

    Also, you fail to recognise that very casual, comfortable clothes can still be elegant; there is just no need to be as scruffy as many English people seem to think is appropriate when dressing in a manner no respectable Frenchman, Italian, Mexican would dream of. Nylon shorts, t-shirts and scruffy trainers will always be gross and unsuitable in a five star hotel.

    Blair Waldorf Salad 1,158 posts

    My most extreme example of 5* hotels attracting low-end guests was two British women sat on opposite sides of the swimming pool last year (this was not a beach hotel so Rule 1 did not apply) and conversing loudly over the heads of the children in the water (their own, thankfully) in very graphic terms about the precise ways in which they enjoyed achieving orgasm.

    My wife and I retired to the garden for some peace and quiet. Sadly, you cannot buy class.

    So…ahem…asking for a friend, did you learn any tips?

    Supergers49 236 posts

    My most extreme example of 5* hotels attracting low-end guests was two British women sat on opposite sides of the swimming pool last year (this was not a beach hotel so Rule 1 did not apply) and conversing loudly over the heads of the children in the water (their own, thankfully) in very graphic terms about the precise ways in which they enjoyed achieving orgasm.

    My wife and I retired to the garden for some peace and quiet. Sadly, you cannot buy class.

    So…ahem…asking for a friend, did you learn any tips?

    Sorry I appear to have reported your comment while laughing out load… my apologies.

    slidey 294 posts

    Ah, but what if you go to a 4* (I would say 3*, but that may be pushing the realms of improbability even in satire! :D) beach hotel – with 2 pools ofcourse – in Spain. At the included buffet dinner, do you wear an ill-fitting football shirt with shorts and flipflops to fit in with your surroundings?

    Do you make sure to use the same serving tongs for each food item within arms reach rather than placing it down each time and using the ones that have been neatly, for the first 15 seconds after opening anyway, placed with each food selection and of course never wash the ice cream scoop while moving between different flavors? 😀

    Blair Waldorf Salad 1,158 posts

    My most extreme example of 5* hotels attracting low-end guests was two British women sat on opposite sides of the swimming pool last year (this was not a beach hotel so Rule 1 did not apply) and conversing loudly over the heads of the children in the water (their own, thankfully) in very graphic terms about the precise ways in which they enjoyed achieving orgasm.

    My wife and I retired to the garden for some peace and quiet. Sadly, you cannot buy class.

    So…ahem…asking for a friend, did you learn any tips?

    Sorry I appear to have reported your comment while laughing out load… my apologies.

    Quite the Freudian slip in your response there….

    JDB 4,643 posts

    Personally, as long as my fellow guests keep their noise to what I consider to be an acceptable level, I don’t waste any of my holiday judging them in other areas!

    This.
    Though I do get annoyed when people act as if they’ve never seen food before and overload their plates at the breakfast buffet, invariably wasting a lot of it.

    They are the lounge pigs who also put liberal quantities of food from their overloaded plates onto their chairs and the floor and, being unfamiliar with napkins, wipe their hands on the chair for good measure.

    You raised the noise issue. People seem to have a complete lack of self awareness of the loudness of their telephone calls which have no place in dining rooms, ever. I was recently in an airport lounge when a woman of a certain age was incredibly loudly describing two sexual encounters at some length (one apparently disappointing in that regard) in a way that made it impossible not to hear and using language that left a number of people speechless. At some point she seemed to realise that many people were staring at her, so she abruptly got up and left. While we will never be able to identify the men whose various very intimate details she shared, she also revealed some exceptionally intimate details about herself that nobody will forget if they see her again. Avoid public telephone calls for lots of reasons.

    Supergers49 236 posts

    So, back to the Bluetooth speakers… would it be inappropriate or considered bad form to attempt to insert (forcefully) said speaker into an orifice of the owner. If perfectly acceptable, would a noticeably judgemental look and a tut be a suitable warning, or would I actually have to engage the individual in conversation to communicate my displeasure regarding the speaker. If not acceptable, would kicking it like a rugby ball in the direction of the sea/pool/closest body of water, be a reasonable alternative.

    I’ve decided toleration on my part no longer works and just makes matters worse, while increasing my G&T consumption.

    slidey 294 posts

    So, back to the Bluetooth speakers… would it be inappropriate or considered bad form to attempt to insert (forcefully) said speaker into an orifice of the owner.

    That depends what you would proceed to play on it having paired your phone with the aformentioned bluetooth device prior to introducing it to the orifice of choice 😀

    NorthernLass 8,248 posts

    I’m flabbergasted @JDB that you would frequent any venue where people are wiping their hands on chairs and describing their sexual encounters (hopefully not simultaneously) 😂

    I’m not saying my holidays are 100% blissful oblivion. Among other things, I’ve had a ghetto blaster placed at the foot of my sun lounger so the owners could listen to it while they were in the pool (like you, I prefer the sea, but didn’t want to get sandy that afternoon!). I was sorely tempted to “accidentally” kick it into the water but decided that would probably make me seem like the villain.

    One of the reasons we generally hire a car is so that we can take ourselves off somewhere quiet if we find our fellow guests annoying.

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