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  • jj 535 posts

    I’m intrigued. Why would you choose to wear scruffy clothes instead of elegant attire?

    Cos the 1950s ended 🙂

    Your decades are not right, and your line of thought is not right either.

    It was in the 1980s that ZZ Top quite correctly told the world that every girl’s crazy ’bout a sharp dressed man; in the interests of equality, I would say that every guy is also crazy ’bout a smart dressed girl. Nothing has changed since.

    If you want to turn heads (most importantly, your partner’s head), you need to make an effort. This is not about looking formal; it’s about looking beautiful. Why would you not want to do that?

    JDB 4,663 posts

    I’m flabbergasted @JDB that you would frequent any venue where people are wiping their hands on chairs and describing their sexual encounters (hopefully not simultaneously) 😂

    I try not to frequent such places, but this was an airport lounge where access is unfortunately granted to all sorts of hoi polloi who have no concept of how to behave in public. Fortunately those people aren’t imaginative enough to discover the sort of hotels we like, most of which have large private terraces or gardens just in case they do.

    Supergers49 237 posts

    That depends what you would proceed to play on it having paired your phone with the aformentioned bluetooth device prior to introducing it to the orifice of choice 😀

    In this case I would stray from usual taste in music and chose either, (1) Something with a very deep bass line, just to allow the individual in question to fully appreciate how annoying it was to rest of us, or (2) Joe Pasquale with “I have a song that will get on your nerves”!

    JDB 4,663 posts

    As well as people’s noisy bluetooth kit, I can’t believe how many parents allow their children to watch films or play games without headphones. The endless tinny pinging of games is very annoying but parents seem delighted to have sub-contracted their roles to a machine and while it may be a different issue, I can’t think that or the indolence of their children is great for anyone.

    slidey 297 posts

    but this was an airport lounge where access is unfortunately granted to all sorts of hoi polloi

    On The Beach has entered the chat..

    Rui N. 858 posts

    To wear smart clothing for breakfast would not allow me to relax out of my everyday routine enough, a key feature of a holiday for me.

    As with all such discussions there is a balance. There are shirts and there are shirts.

    A relaxing linen shirt with a smart pair of shorts wouldn’t feel the same as work clothes to me and would feel entirely fitting to wear on holiday for breakfast.

    I was just taking the p*** in this ridiculous thread (this is being nice, the actual adjective would get me banned if this forum had moderation). Shirts are actually my go-to clothes for not-very-cold-not-very-warm weather, so I wear them all the time on my free time (probably more so than while working in fact, since don’t bother with that while WFH). For breaksfast on a hotel, I probably wouldn’t because it’s usually warm enough to just be on a t-shirt (and put a jacket if not warm enough) and I’d go like that and then properly dress for the day ahead.

    FFoxSake 221 posts

    Attire and etiquette at one upcoming summer party in particular should be very interesting… I look forward to reading assessments from jj and/or JDB in due course (should they decide to grace such an event at the 5-star St. Pancras Renaissance Hotel with their presence).

    Rui N. 858 posts

    Not a real 5*, only the plebe (and Americans, pardon the pleonasm) frequents such dumps.

    JDB 4,663 posts

    Attire and etiquette at one upcoming summer party in particular should be very interesting… I look forward to reading assessments from jj and/or JDB in due course (should they decide to grace such an event at the 5-star St. Pancras Renaissance Hotel with their presence).

    Hopefully, out of respect for the HfP team and their industry guests, readers will dress properly.

    yorkieflyer 259 posts

    Dress nicely for dinner certainly, far too many men don’t extend their female partners that courtesy but dressing for breakfast, excuse me.

    If you don’t have time to button a shirt before breakfast, you’re doing something wrong with your life. No-one is suggesting that you go into battle with a recalcitrant bow tie, but it’s actually quicker to slip on a pair of suede driving loafers than to tie up the laces on your running shoes. And, for the women, the aforementioned silk dress is quicker to put on than the baggy shorts and shapeless t-short that some seem to prefer.

    I’m intrigued. Why would you choose to wear scruffy clothes instead of elegant attire?

    I would rather be run over by the Clapham omnibus I’m running for than wear such buffoonery as suede driving loafers whatever they may be?

    yorkieflyer 259 posts

    Dress nicely for dinner certainly, far too many men don’t extend their female partners that courtesy but dressing for breakfast, excuse me.

    Nobody is asking anyone to wear black tie for breakfast, but it is a courtesy to other guests and obviously one needs to dress appropriately at all times, commensurate with the calibre of the hotel. If you are staying in a proper five star hotel, turning up for breakfast in the attire described above and without having showered is rather unpleasant for other guests, particularly if indoors. Many people unfortunately seem to have lost all sense of propriety (for themselves or their children) as to how to dress or conduct themselves in public.

    I much prefer to travel with hand luggage only rather than bring my manservant and steamer trunk along for the trip whenever possible

    yorkieflyer 259 posts

    Each person has their own view of what a holiday entails. Personally I wear formal clothing at least part of the day 7 days a week at home (for work, various meetings etc).

    It is a pleasure for me to be able to dress down when on holiday. To wear smart clothing for breakfast would not allow me to relax out of my everyday routine enough, a key feature of a holiday for me. I do smarten up for dinner personally, but I understand why others may not want to. I do feel when a lady dresses up and a gentleman wears a casual t-shirt & shorts it is showing disrespect to her, but again that is my view.

    However, I believe I can’t consider my way of viewing the world is the best/right way. That would be a blinkered way to view things.

    No, your spot on, our view should be compulsory!

    yorkieflyer 259 posts

    Dress nicely for dinner certainly, far too many men don’t extend their female partners that courtesy but dressing for breakfast, excuse me.

    Nobody is asking anyone to wear black tie for breakfast, but it is a courtesy to other guests and obviously one needs to dress appropriately at all times, commensurate with the calibre of the hotel. If you are staying in a proper five star hotel, turning up for breakfast in the attire described above and without having showered is rather unpleasant for other guests, particularly if indoors. Many people unfortunately seem to have lost all sense of propriety (for themselves or their children) as to how to dress or conduct themselves in public.

    Whilst I obviously complete agree with you, @JDB, I have observed that guests in 5* hotels often have particularly poor dress sense. I think that’s partly down to the popularity of mass-market 5* places (Intercontinental, Hyatt, etc) with Americans and other people who mistakenly think that 5* means high class. It’s probably also due to the anonymity of large hotels: if you will never again see a fellow guest, it’s easier to disrespect them.

    In my experience, the best-dressed clientele are invariably to be found in small, design-led, upmarket boutique hotels. If the hotel is popular with Italians, double that observation.

    Oh as we’ve touched on our fellowship American travellers, my pet hate in their dining company is their obstinate refusal to use anything other than a fork at any meal however demonstrably difficult they often find the exercise.

    yorkieflyer 259 posts

    Personally, as long as my fellow guests keep their noise to what I consider to be an acceptable level, I don’t waste any of my holiday judging them in other areas!

    Precisely and unfortunately breeding doesn’t in itself reduce volume

    yorkieflyer 259 posts

    I’m intrigued. Why would you choose to wear scruffy clothes instead of elegant attire?

    Cos the 1950s ended 🙂

    That’s ridiculous. Respect for others (especially one’s partner), respect for one’s environment, dressing well and romance have never gone out of fashion, nor ever will. I’m pleased that younger members of our extended family in the late teens to late thirties range agree and love being given good quality old smart clothes or buying them in vintage shops. Girls have spotted the quality of the fabrics, finish and timeless chic sexy look and the boys definitely notice the difference vs tarty modern polyester outfits with terrible hems and girls quite definitely notice smartly dressed men.

    Also, you fail to recognise that very casual, comfortable clothes can still be elegant; there is just no need to be as scruffy as many English people seem to think is appropriate when dressing in a manner no respectable Frenchman, Italian, Mexican would dream of. Nylon shorts, t-shirts and scruffy trainers will always be gross and unsuitable in a five star hotel.

    Ah indeed, snobbery will never go out of fashion.

    smblcklck 65 posts

    Last year I was utterly flabbergasted to have two separate ‘bluetooth incidents’ involving guests blasting music in the pool areas at the IC Ko Samui. Although since I was probably wearing a t-shirt at the time, by the standards of this thread it seems I have no right to complain!

    jj 535 posts

    @yorkieflyer, take a deep breath and … relax! Does that feel better?

    Personally, as long as my fellow guests keep their noise to what I consider to be an acceptable level, I don’t waste any of my holiday judging them in other areas!

    You misunderstand me; this is the other way around. I am not so much judging the scruffy person as observing that I could never be scruffy in the presence of a well-dressed person because, in so doing, I would feel rude. Politeness and respect compel me to match the well dressed people at breakfast. Of course, some people don’t really care if they disappoint others and stridently assert their right to be themselves. You may draw your own conclusion about them.

    Richie 1,040 posts

    Is ‘Holiday Fashion Police’ likely to appear on Youtube soon? Hosted by jj and JDB.

    Rui N. 858 posts

    I would rather be run over by the Clapham omnibus I’m running for than wear such buffoonery as suede driving loafers whatever they may be?

    Is something that certain people use (you probably can guess the type), a lot of time without socks (how can they engage in such disgusting behavior is beyond me, but I don’t care, they can do whatever they want).

    Peter K 593 posts

    You misunderstand me; this is the other way around. I am not so much judging the scruffy person as observing that I could never be scruffy in the presence of a well-dressed person because, in so doing, I would feel rude. Politeness and respect compel me to match the well dressed people at breakfast.

    Maybe it’s me, but feeling obliged to dress up to the level of the most “well-dressed” person in the room seems archaic and somewhat feudilistic. Likewise, looking down on those that can’t or won’t do so has a similar vibe… certainly an us and them attitude which is sad to see 😔

    Pangolin 119 posts

    “Don’t sit on your boat staring at the beach. Women in skimpy swimwear will assume that you are looking at them, and they will probably be right.”

    And if my boat is half a mile out to sea does this rule apply? Or do I have to get out my 10×50 binoculars before they think I might be looking at them. Are we supposed to only stare out at nothing but the endless ocean if we’re in the vicinity of any beach where women are present?

    I guess any guy at a beach full of people sunbathing should not let their field of vision come with 90 degrees of any woman dressed in a ‘skimpy’ bikini (i.e. any woman who is not 100 years old or of a religious persuasion). Probably best to wear blinkers like a horse.

    It’s interesting that the OP genuinely believes that other people are as obsessively fixated on whether total strangers might be sneaking glances in their direction for furtive titillation. Most people are wrapped up in themselves and unless you’re an obvious creep, lech or jerk, I doubt that they’d be micro-triggered by the sort of things mentioned in his post.

    jj 535 posts

    @Pangolin, that was based on observing behaviour on a Greek beach last week. About 20% of the bathers were nude, with women probably being the majority of those. Many other women were topless. A power boat entered the bay, dropped anchor close to shore and the two men on board sat staring at the beach while the two women on board chatted at the back of the boat.

    Within 5 minutes, almost all the nude and topless bathers had rolled over onto their fronts or put their bathers on. Most nude swimmers left the water immediately.

    After a about an hour the boat left. Bathers were once again removed and people once more lay on their backs. And, in case you’re wondering, my wife observed the behaviour, not me.

    Except for the Instagram set, people don’t want to be watched.

    sloth 315 posts

    This thread is one of the best I’ve read in a while. Only on HFP could we get a thread approaching rivalry with the infamous mumsnet ‘glass of water’ thread…

    Pangolin 119 posts

    This thread is one of the best I’ve read in a while. Only on HFP could we get a thread approaching rivalry with the infamous mumsnet ‘glass of water’ thread…

    I think some people watched the Catherine Tate sketch about posh people and took it as rules to live by rather than as satire 😀

    Lula 211 posts

    It wouldn’t even occur to me to care about, much less comment on, someone else’s attire. Probably because I’m too busy having fun to notice what others are wearing. But some of you have less interesting holidays it seems, so I get that you need to pass the time somehow.

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