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Which 14 British Airways Boeing 777 routes will get Club Suite business class this winter?

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Most of the attention over Club Suite, the new British Airways business class product, has focused on the new A350 fleet.  These aircraft are coming out of the factory with Club Suite installed.

Our ‘first look’ review of the new Club Suite seat is here if you missed it.

At the same, however, British Airways is launching a refurbishment of the Boeing 777-200ER fleet.  These aircraft will see Club Suite installed, alongside a shrunken First Class cabin (the existing 14 seats will be reduced to 8).

British Airways A350 Club Suite Inaugural flight

Via Airlineroute, we now have the 14 routes which see Club Suite at some point over the Winter season which runs from late October to late March.

Unfortunately it is not possible to tell from ba.com whether your aircraft has Club Suite.  You need to check the seating plan after you book, looking for 1-2-1 in Business Class and eight seats in First Class.  Don’t get too excited even if it is showing, since it is still early days – the first refurbished aircraft won’t even arrive for a few months and the timetable could easily slip.

British Airways Club Suite Boeing 777 routes

Which Boeing 777 routes will get Club Suite?

Abuja – 2 x weekly from 30th January, 3 x weekly from 18th February, 5-6 x weekly from 24th February

Bahrain / Dammam – 8th January and 10th January only

Boston – from 2nd February, some days on BA215/214 and BA239/238

Chicago – from 28th January, some days on BA297/296

Dubai – 13th February only (but Dubai gets an A350 from 2nd September with Club Suite)

Jeddah – 2 x weekly from 20th February

Kuwait City – 2-3 x weekly from 1st February, 5 x weekly from 3rd March

Nairobi – from 14th January

Newark – 21st January only

New York JFK – see below

Philadelphia – 1 x weekly from 11th March on BA69/68

Riyadh – from 29th January on some days

Seattle – 1 x weekly (BA53/52) from 2nd January, various weekly on BA49/48 from 20th February

Tel Aviv – from 30th January on various dates on BA165/164 (Tel Aviv is also getting an A350)

British Airways Club Suite Boeing 777 routes

The New York JFK routings are more complex:

BA177/174 – Club Suite from 27th October on selected days

BA115/176 – Club Suite from 2nd November on one day per week (none in February)

BA175/116 – Club Suite from 9th December on selected dates

BA173/112 – Club Suite from 2nd January to 20th February on two weekly services

BA179/182 – Club Suite from 23rd February on one weekly service

British Airways Club Suite Boeing 777 routes

All of this is, I admit, as clear as mud

It is difficult to draw too much from this list, I admit.  It is far easier with the A350 aircraft, which show clearly in the timetable.  You also need to have a degree of scepticism over how accurate this list will turn out to be, albeit that BA has now officially rostered the refurbished aircraft.

British Airways Club Suite Boeing 777 routes

And what is happening with First Class?

We don’t know.  Very little is known about what BA will be installing in First Class on these aircraft, except that the seatmap shows a 1-2-1 configuration.

Logically I would expect a copy of the seat used on Boeing 787-9 fleet, which also has an 8-seat cabin.  Does that still cut the mustard, however, given how much better Club Suite is than Club World?  Let’s see.

And don’t forget Economy Class is heading in the wrong direction ….

If you usually travel down the back, the news is less good.  When these aircraft some back from refurbishment, they will be 3-4-3 in World Traveller rather than 3-3-3.

The full layout is 8 x First, 49 x Club Suite, 40 x World Traveller Plus and 138 x World Traveller.

For more Club Suite news ….

Keep an eye on the HfP social media channels on Friday afternoon as we attend the arrival event for the first A350 as it flies in from the Airbus factory in Toulouse, and hopefully get a chance to see inside.

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Comments (139)

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  • Trevor says:
    22 Jul22 July 09:48

    Slightly O/T
    I have booked WT+ cash and upgraded to CW with points. LHR -> ORD. Can you upgrade further to First using either points or cash?
    Thanks
    T

    • Rhys says:
      22 Jul22 July 09:54

      You can only upgrade one cabin with Avios….with cash, well, that depends how deep your pockets are! Although, because you’ve already upgraded once with Avios, it’s unlikely you’ll be able to upgrade again (even with cash).

    • pauldb says:
      22 Jul22 July 11:15

      Only option is asking about a cash upgrade at the airport.

  • Paul says:
    22 Jul22 July 10:04

    The 777-200ER fleet will not have a new First Class. Just the removal of some seats.

    • Robert says:
      22 Jul22 July 10:24

      Do you have that from a reliable source? Because while you might be right , no one here nor over at FT seem to know anything at the moment.

      • Rob says:
        22 Jul22 July 10:32

        Could well be true, though – although it would be weird, given that there is a better version currently being used on the 787.

    • AJA says:
      22 Jul22 July 11:33

      Would that mean a split CW cabin? If they remove 2 rows from First, they would have to move / insert bulkheads between the 2 cabins. While they are going to the trouble of doing that it seems more logical to replace the First seats as well. Keeping existing seats in place seems counter-intuitive especially if there is a newer First seat design. Never flown First so I am not sure I’d know the difference….

  • Chrisasaurus says:
    22 Jul22 July 10:52

    Iberia redemption – do these have to be cancelled over the phone?

    • Lady London says:
      22 Jul22 July 17:59

      I cancelled mine over the phone. Miles came back quickly. As its Iberia though, keep good records of who you spoke to and when.

  • Steve says:
    22 Jul22 July 10:55

    Do you have any information about the 787s? Is there any plan to refurb them or is it the same as with A380s?

  • Gringo says:
    22 Jul22 July 11:13

    OT (no bits) – I’m looking to book a BA points flight 28th-29th July. Outbound (28th) has availability but not inbound (29th). What’s the likelihood of Avios seats being made available between now and next Monday?

    If there is a chance, is it worth rechecking every few hours? Or are they updated at midnight?

    • Robert says:
      22 Jul22 July 11:53

      Always worth rechecking but if you shared your destination with us, one of us could check to see the loads.

      • Gringo says:
        22 Jul22 July 12:19

        It’s LHR-TLV.
        28th 22:30 outbound flight has business availability.
        29th return, the only availability is the 7:40am flight (BA166) which I can’t make, so I’m hoping for something to open up (don’t care which class) on the 16:40 flight (BA164). Any chance of this happening?
        Thanks 🙂

        • Russ says:
          22 Jul22 July 12:33

          If all else fails LHR-MAD-TLV with Iberia may be an option if you are stuck although granted a longer route. Nice thing is they still have an A330 on that route so……

          • Gringo says:
            22 Jul22 July 14:06

            Thanks, already checked Iberia! They don’t have a time that works either unfortunately

        • Charlieface says:
          22 Jul22 July 14:35

          Yes in my experience TLV can and does open up last minute although the 1640 is always less available because it’s a smaller plane. Check at least 1-2 times a day, late Sat night before your date and every couple hours in the last 2 days. That works 80% of the time

          • Robert says:
            22 Jul22 July 15:24

            The 16:40 departure from TLV (164) isn’t a smaller plane, it’s a 777.

            As for the 29th, difficulty to say at the moment. WT not that busy, WTP wide open, and CW busier with 9 seats left in J class. F has 1 seat left for sale…

          • Charlieface says:
            22 Jul22 July 17:28

            Sorry it used to be the old BMI A321, must have changed. Used to fly it pretty regularly, haven’t done for couple years.

          • Lady London says:
            22 Jul22 July 21:34

            @Robert if 9 seats free are showing that’s the minimum number that are free. 9 is the highest number they show. So if you see 9 it could, be say, 30 free.

        • Lady London says:
          22 Jul22 July 14:36

          Easyjet has a flight departing on 29th July dep 20.25 to Luton for 133 euros. Luggage charged separately I believe.

  • TomR says:
    22 Jul22 July 11:45

    Just wondering how BA are going to make the new qsuite cabin economically viable when compared to the current CW cabin on 777. Currently, 777s have 2-3-2 layout, (Simplistically, 7 seats per row) whereas qsuite will only have 4 seats per row (1-2-1). Unless they either significantly raise the cost, or extend the length of the CW cabin, how is this going to work out for them?
    Are they banking on travelers who they may have lost to other airlines because they wouldn’t travel in the old seat migrating to BE qsuite?
    … feels like in missing something.

    • Waddle says:
      22 Jul22 July 11:57

      The 2-3-2 configuration is full length every seat so the amount of ROWS you can pack into a cabin is less than the Club Suite. Club Suites have foot cubby holes which effectively puts your feet under the person in front creating an overlap therefore the amount of cabin length required is less for the same amount of ROWS despite the reduced COLUMN numbers.

    • Rhys says:
      22 Jul22 July 11:58

      It’s more dense than you think. Remember that it is now a reverse herringbone style layout, and that feet go into a cubby hole. Some density that is lost from going 1-2-1 is regained this way (although you are right that it is slightly less dense than existing Club World – maybe 10-12%).

  • AndyGWP says:
    22 Jul22 July 12:03

    OT – anyone have much experience buying currency with Curve. There’s a currency site been mentioned on here a few times lately (C.O.G) that I’m considering using but wondered if underlying cards care (unsure how it might be treated and don’t want to assume a cash withdrawal is fine, but then a currency purchase isn’t)

    • Anna says:
      22 Jul22 July 15:55

      I’ve tried pre-loading Cash Passort and the Post Office card with Curve recently but it looks like neither of them work with MasterCard any more. Next step will be switching to Revolut I think once I’ve spent all my current foreign funds.

      • Anna says:
        22 Jul22 July 15:57

        Oh yes and Curve was also declined in a travel agent recently when buying dollars! Looks like a pattern there. I’m going to be reduced to using cash withdrawn on Curve for my holiday spends at this rate (I am well and truly averse to using an ordinary non-earning debit card for anything 😂)

      • AndyGWP says:
        22 Jul22 July 16:11

        Cheers Anna – I’ve got Revolut but need USD to spend in Cambodia / Vietnam for a couple of trips I’ve arranged, so want to get some cash. Will probably just give it a try and just deal with the consequences 🙂

        • Memesweeper says:
          22 Jul22 July 16:59

          It won’t work. Curve don’t allow you to buy currency. You need to use a real debit card. Monzo or Starling would be fine.

  • Mike says:
    22 Jul22 July 12:46

    What a disappointment re First.

    If they go with the seat in the 787-9, then it is massively uncompetitive compared to Club Suites. It’s not the door I’m talking about: it’s the width of the seat, the space for leg & feet, the fact that First would still be reverse herringbone (despite no apparent cubbyhole, the space to sleep on your side, to flip and turn is laughable on the 787-9 given how deep the monitor is, which in effect turns the leg space into a “sort of” cubbyhole).

    BA should make First seats similar to either Cathay, Etihad (on their A330) or Qatar: fully forward facing so as to make the most of the cabin’s width, and a fully open ottoman without the constraint of either a monitor or any other contraption above the leg area that limits movement.

    • Karen Brown says:
      22 Jul22 July 14:26

      Good point Mike. I had thought it was just me finding the screen support and screen an encumbrance on my one and only First.

      I am not a fan of the leg cubby people are being landed with on the A350 – although it’s luxury in every other respect – and now I know why I was so uncomfortable in First!

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