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My chat with the Qatar Airways CEO at Farnborough, and a look at Qatar Executive

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Rhys and I spent Tuesday at the huge Farnborough Airshow, although we spent less than five minutes together as we have very different interests at such events!

If you had to choose a day when you would be outside for much of the time – and airfields don’t have a lot of shade – Tuesday would clearly not have been it. Full credit to the huge number of men who spent the entire day standing outside in a full suit (jacket on, tie on, shirt buttons done up, no hat).

The Farnborough Airshow isn’t prime HfP territory – it is really an event for the hard core aviation industry, for the sort of people who want to learn about the latest types of bolts for joining fuselage pieces together. This was my first visit in 20+ years – my only previous trip was in the year where the A380 made its first ever UK appearance.

The only passenger airline which takes Farnborough seriously is Qatar Airways. It has the right idea. It has a huge ‘chalet’ (which is what the corporate areas are called) with free flowing food and drink, as well as a terrace overlooking the runway for the daily flying display. It’s just like being in a hospitality tent at Wimbledon, except this time you get to look at planes instead of tennis. I don’t understand why other airlines don’t do the same.

Qatar Airways also brings along aircraft to see – this year we had a Qsuite-equipped Boeing 777, a Boeing 787-9 with the new business class seat (which I hadn’t seen before in the flesh, but which Rhys reviewed here) and a Qatar Executive Gulfstream jet. I will return to that.

Importantly, Qatar Airways has a (literal) ‘open door’ policy for its aircraft. You don’t need an appointment, you don’t need to be chaperoned. You can visit them freely and take a look inside, including areas like crew rest which are normally off limits to passengers:

Boeing 787-9 crew rest area beds

I always find it quite spooky to walk around an empty aircraft, as per the photo below. Few people ever experience this feeling – if you went for a stroll around a deserted town centre during the covid lockdowns, it was a similar sensation.

Empty Boeing 777

A quick chat with the Qatar Airways CEO

I had a bit of time with the Qatar Airways CEO, H.E. Mr Akbar Al Baker, or ‘Chief’ as he is universally known by the staff, at a round-table chat with aviation writers.

From a HfP point of view, the key thing to mention is his enthusiasm for ‘Qsuite Mark 2’. This will debut on the Boeing 777X feet, for which Qatar Airways is the joint launch customer along with Emirates. (BA also has a large order for these aircraft which is also delayed.) The snag is that, due to production delays at Boeing, the first deliveries have now been pushed back to 2025 although Akbar believes that this could come forward into 2024.

Where there is no enthusiasm is for Premium Economy. Whilst Tim Clarke, CEO of Emirates, has admitted that he made a mistake by not introducing it earlier – it is only rolling out this year – Qatar Airways believes there is no benefit. As they see it, their existing food and drink and IFE offering in Economy is as good as Premium Economy on other carriers. On that basis there is little they could offer in Premium Economy apart from a small amount of extra space.

If you are an A380 fan, it is bad news. You can fly the A380 today – seven of the eight A380 aircraft owned by Qatar Airways are now back in the air, as the aircraft struggles with its partially grounded A350 fleet and delays to its Boeing 787 orders. A380 Number 8 is being cannibalised for spare parts for the other seven.

Akbar, however, still hates the A380 aircraft with a passion. He describes the original order as ‘his biggest mistake’, was happy to ground them and is looking forward to the day when he can ground them again – this time for good.

(As you can possibly tell by now, doing a press event with Akbar is not like doing a press event with Sean Doyle, CEO of British Airways, or even Shai Weiss from Virgin Atlantic!)

Qatar Airways A380

It’s best if I don’t tell you what Akbar thinks about the capacity cuts at Heathrow. I’m also not going to go into the discussion about the legal issues with Airbus over the A350 ‘peeling paint’ issue. This has led to much of the Qatar Airways A350 fleet being grounded amidst claim and counter-claim over whether the damage is structural or cosmetic.

Qatar Airways is looking at setting up its own ground handling business at Heathrow. Emirates already does this – and of course BA has its own operation – and it would mean that the airline can guarantee that its own aircraft are serviced properly. There is logic here – with only six flights per day, it would need a relatively small workforce and those people could be paid above the market rate in order to guarantee a full complement at all times. The extra cost would be nominal in the context of ensuring a smooth running operation.

We finished by discussing the World Cup. One piece of news that had slipped by me is that the old Doha International Airport is being reopened for passenger use during the tournament, albeit only for charter flights and regional ‘shuttle’ flights from airlines such as Flydubai. Qatar Airways itself has cut or reduced services to 30 destinations in order to release aircraft to carry fans from countries where teams are competing. The entire airline timetable has been changed to remove the current ‘banks’ of flights, spreading capacity throughout the day and making it easier for additional special World Cup services to get a landing slot and a gate.

A quick look at Qatar Executive

Qatar Airways is one of the very few commercial airlines globally to operate a private jet division – Qatar Executive. It runs a varied fleet of 13-seater aircraft, available for hire by corporates, private individuals or Governments.

It had a Gulfstream G650ER on display at Farnborough. Here are a couple of interior shots I took.

This is how the seating looks in seat mode:

Qatar Executive Gulfstream jet

…. and this is how it looks in bed mode:

Qatar Executive Gulstream jet

These are very high specification aircraft, equipped to a far higher level than the private jet services we have reviewed on HfP in the past (see here, here and here).

I’m not suggesting that you may be in the market for such a service, but it was fun to have a look around. Qatar Executive advertises ’empty leg’ flights on its website but annoyingly there are no prices. If you want to hire a 13-seat private jet to fly between Nice and Copenhagen on 29th July, however, there is a deal to be done …..

Comments (72)

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  • Rob says:

    Comments on this article were accidentally locked, sorry!

  • sigma421 says:

    “It’s best if I don’t tell you what Akbar thinks about the capacity cuts at Heathrow. I’m also not going to go into the discussion about the legal issues with Airbus over the A350 ‘peeling paint’ issue. This has led to much of the Qatar Airways A350 fleet being grounded amidst claim and counter-claim over whether the damage is structural or cosmetic.”

    To be honest, this is the thing I’d be keenest to know about – your comment makes me all the more intrigued!

  • vol says:

    What deal is to be done @Rob, Nice to Copenhagen? You left the article on a cliffhanger 😁

    • Bagoly says:

      26th July: XSP to SIN – 22km and not even over a water obstacle.

  • Paul says:

    Given the sentiment expressed here, any hunch on when Qatar’s A380 may be dropped from the schedules? I’d be keen to get to fly it at least once.

    • Rob says:

      Once the 11 787s are finally certified as safe and released from Boeing (they are built and fitted out) that may be it.

    • John T says:

      They could dedicate them entirely to Australian routes next summer. They are very limited legally to how many flights they can operate to Australia so have been using their highest capacity aircraft to sell as many seats on as few frequencies as possible.
      Prepandemic about half their A380 flights were to Australia anyway.

      • WaynedP says:

        Full and frank disclosure:

        I would be an instant cash purchaser of 2x QR J class, ex-Western Europe to BNE in May/June 2023 tickets at a strike price of sub £5k (or very close to it).

        Feel free to email me directly, Your Excellency . . .

  • T says:

    Was it one of these chats were you are not allowed to ask any questions?

    I have those with my wife every day!

    • Brighton Belle says:

      Why would you need to ask any questions? Surely you know the answer already?

    • Rob says:

      He was only answering questions, he had no prepared statement.

      • T says:

        Ok,

        As the write up seems like a summary of some topics discussed, rather then Q and A style,

        May I ask what your question was Rob?

  • Tas says:

    Why doesn’t he like the A380?

    • Rob says:

      They can’t fill them as easily as Emirates and they are inefficient when lightly loaded.

      • Panda Mick says:

        I wonder if, in a year, the impact of avios earning and burning may change this? It certainly gives a real option to Qantas and BA… If not, perhaps if Q did a little marketing on this….

      • Deb20 says:

        And yet, they have 3 A380s into LHR today. 2 arrived this morning and the third arrives around 1 PM.

        I gather that the passenger loads are very high, despite prices sky rocketing.

        • ADS says:

          Yes, I wonder if his accountants will tell him to get over his hatred and enjoy the profits that they rake in !

  • Mattb says:

    32 countries at the world cup less the hosts, so are Wales the only ones without direct flights? Shame they couldn’t put on a few flights from Cardiff, would have filled a couple of a380s.

    • Brian78 says:

      The World Cup is going to be a shambles. There’s not even enough hotel rooms!

      • Mattb says:

        True! I’m genuinely glad I booked my converted portacabin for $200 a night, some of my mates have left it late and only $1k a night places left.

        • Brian78 says:

          I was going to say “imagine giving a World Cup to a country that doesn’t have enough hotels” then remembered that Fifa didn’t realise it gets to 45 degrees when they awarded them a summer World Cup!

          (Although they probably did and some other things swung their vote nudge nudge wink wink)

        • Erico1875 says:

          If you shared it with 15 of your mates, at least you would get the full Bangladeshi construction worker experience

          • Brian78 says:

            One of those 15 would have to die because of being over worked in the heat for it to be an authentic experience though?

  • Omar says:

    Shame, QATAR Airways A380 is one of my favorite aircraft. The bar is a lot better than what EMIRATES or ETIHAD offers. The KRUG days were definitely the good times. But even in economy, the A380 is one of my favourite aircraft. Perhaps if they could find a way to make it two-engined? Or alternating two engines at a time between the four engines, in a way to make it more economically viable that would be great.

    • memesweeper says:

      Sadly it’s extremely unlikely there will be investments in improvements for the 380. And zero change anyone will try and make it a twin jet. A stretched version was on the cards I believe in the early stages of development, which, if it could have been filled, would have made the quad jets less inefficient versus twin jets.

      • Dev says:

        Still waiting for Virgin Atlantics mythical A380 a bowling alley!

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