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Review: Is Accor Live Limitless the best hotel loyalty scheme? (Part 2)

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In my previous article yesterday I outlined ‘the facts’ of the Accor Live Limitless loyalty scheme.  This article is my personal opinion, highlighting areas where I think you might want to focus. Next weekend we will move on to Hilton Honors.

The full series of articles can be found here:

The 10-second summary:

Strong points – big global network except in the Americas, decent Platinum benefits including lounge access, elite members generally treated well, luxury options improved with Swissotel / Raffles / Fairmont / Mondrian / Delano acquisitions, Avios (via Qatar Airways) and Air France KLM partnerships lets you earn Accor points whilst flying, Accor Experiences offers interesting new redemptions, Suite Night Upgrades for elite members can now be booked online, soft landings if you do not retain status

Weak points – points have a fixed monetary value so no opportunity for arbitrage, Accor Experiences redemptions limited in UK, no credit card partner, no free breakfast for Platinum unless there is a lounge, no free breakfast for Diamond midweek

How does Accor Live Limitless work?

The longer version:

I have taken a far stronger interest in Accor Live Limitless in recent years. I earned Diamond after a pricey stay at Fairmont Royal Pavilion in Barbados (review here) in 2021 and I just earned it back for 2024 after a couple of Fairmont Windsor Park stays.

What I have found is working for me is:

  • earning status points on two rooms per night (only Accor does this) which is great as we normally take a separate room for our children
  • being able to earn Suite Night Upgrades and redeem them online, locking in the upgrade at the time of booking
  • being able to use points for Accor Experiences redemptions – I don’t necessarily need more hotel nights, even if they are free!
  • getting a soft landing if I don’t renew status – Accor is a chain where we seem to drop a large sum in one go every couple of years at a resort, and I can leverage that to get a year of Diamond and then a year Platinum (and even the year of Gold after that isn’t totally useless)
  • getting a handful of Avios in my Qatar Airways Privilege Club account after each stay – ON TOP of my Accor points

This is why it works for ME though. There are many reasons it might not work for YOU:

Fairmont Windsor Park

We don’t find Accor Live Limitless exciting

I think that Accor gets a slightly tough time from Head for Points.  Why?  Because part of the skill of the miles and points game is arbitrage – redeeming points at places which offer an oversized return.  Because Accor has a ‘points equal cash’ structure (2,000 points = €40 off), you can’t beat the system.

Things are improving a little via Accor Experiences – using your points for tickets to cultural and sporting events – but the UK selection so far has been limited and is very London focussed. It is not yet on a par with what Hilton and Marriott offer.

It’s hard to get bonus points via promotions

Accor runs very few big global promotions making it harder to build up your points.  The promotions it does run often have very narrow booking windows and require 2-3 night minimum stays which makes them tricky to use. 

The website is an IT nightmare

The website is, by far, the buggiest of any major hotel group. It genuinely makes ba.com look like Amazon. It is slowly improving but bugs are still there – some points I earned at Bicester Village last Autumn disappeared into the ether. As I found last week, heaven help you if points arrive in 2024 for a stay you did in late 2023 ….

However, I know the scheme works well for many and is working for me

For the regular guest, though, Accor Live Limitless works well.  It is easier to earn Platinum, whether via nights or spend, than top tier in any competing programme (this is a fact – I’ve done the maths).  If you have a family and tend to book two rooms whilst travelling, you’re laughing – spend on both rooms will count for elite status.

Gleneagles Accor Live Limitless

Once you are Platinum, which is not the top tier but is the sweet spot, you are getting 8.8% of your room bill back in Accor vouchers.  Spend a few days in a Sofitel running up a £750 bill, before VAT, and you will ‘earn’ £66 for yourself – albeit £66 you need to spend in another Accor hotel. A Diamond member would get 10% back.

The benefits – for ‘sweet spot’ Platinum members – are also pretty decent at the right properties. At a Sofitel (such as Heathrow Terminal 5 pictured below) you will get lounge access (ie free breakfast, snacks and drinks), an upgrade, late check-out, early check-in AND 8.8% of your room bill back in vouchers.  You can’t complain about that. The lack of free breakfast at hotels without a lounge is a negative, however. Even a Diamond only gets free breakfast at the weekend. (The Asia-Pacific breakfast rule is different – Platinum and Diamond members get free breakfast every day.)

The new ALL PLUS discount cards are a way of making elite status easier to earn – see here – by giving you free elite night credits. This doesn’t help people like me who earn status via spend, however.

There is little value in pushing for Diamond status if you are a regular Accor guest. The benefits above Platinum are few, with even the ‘free breakfast’ benefit restricted to weekends only.

Anecdotally, hotels seem to be good at delivering elite benefits.  You can’t ‘game’ elite status with Accor – it’s not given away free as a credit card perk – and the hotels know that status guests have earned it via ‘heads in beds’.

Suite Night Upgrades, which can now be booked online, are attractive. I used four at Fairmont St Andrews over New Year 2022/23, and ended up with my big suite being upgraded to a frankly huge one. I used another two at Fairmont Windsor Park in December 2023, paying £500 per night for a suite selling for £1,000.

Sofitel St James hotel

Accor looks after you if you don’t requalify

Accor is unique in having soft landings. Whilst normal in the airline world, it is rare in the hotel sector. If you don’t requalify for your status, you will only drop down by one level.

On 1st January 2023 I fell from Diamond to Platinum, whilst other chains would have dropped me back to the bottom tier. This is one reason to go for Diamond – because, including the soft landing year as Platinum, you will have two years of lounge access and upgrades. I am now back at Diamond for 2024 and will happily accept Platinum status for 2025.

(Marriott Bonvoy did offer soft landings in 2023 and 2024 but it is not policy and you can’t rely on it for future years.)

What do we think of the network?

My experience of Accor properties in the last few years is not extensive. 90% of my spending was on three recent Fairmont stays at Barbados, St Andrews and Windsor Park and a couple of Sofitel Heathrow Terminal 5 trips.

However, the UK network is surprisingly good with Novotel and Mercure hotels in most major business cities.  The Sofitel St James in Mayfair (above) is a UK flagship and a decent place to spend your vouchers if you wanted a break in London, and you’ve obviously got The Savoy and Raffles Old War Office for a real splurge.  Gleneagles (also above), a recent acquisition, will become the top UK hotel in Accor Live Limitless if it is ever integrated.

We have reviewed three new build UK Accor hotels in recent years and all were impressive. Novotel Blackfriars (review) has the new contemporary look being rolled out across the chain, and a swimming pool. The ibis Styles at Heathrow (review) is also showcasing a new, modern design – despite “only being an ibis” I think any HfP reader would be happy there. Rhys enjoyed his stay at the new Municipal Hotel in Liverpool (MGallery, review here).

Whilst not reviewed, I enjoyed my stays at Mercure St Paul’s in Sheffield in 2019 and again in 2022.  Gleneagles, of course, is outstanding (review) but very expensive, as is the new Gleneagles Townhouse in Edinburgh (review) – but neither are part of the programme.  When I was in Dubai in 2020, we did one night at the new Sofitel The Obelisk near the airport which was exceptionally good.

The last international Accor hotels we reviewed were AKI Hong Kong (MGallery, reviewed here), Fairmont Austin (review) and Fairmont Royal Pavilion Barbados (review).

Is Accor Live Limitless the best hotel loyalty scheme?

Conclusion

If Accor Live Limitless was a ‘normal’ loyalty scheme then the addition of Raffles, Fairmont, Gleneagles, Mondrian, Swissotel etc to bulk up the luxury portfolio would have been hugely exciting.  Imagine being able to redeem a handful of points for a night at The Savoy in London.

In reality, the revenue-based redemption model meant that these acquisitions were welcomed with little more than a shrug, since the number of points required for a free room is huge.  You get the same value per point as you’d get at an Ibis, so there is no value blowing them at a luxury venue unless you happen to be there anyway.

The ability to earn Avios on every stay – on top of your Accor Live Limitless points – due to the Qatar Airways partnership is a decent perk. I don’t recommend converting Avios INTO Accor Live Limitless points due to the weak transfer rate.

All that said, it would be unfair to criticise the scheme too much, especially as it is currently working for me.  If you manage to earn ‘sweet spot’ Platinum status, stay in brands which have lounges (where you’d have free access), can take advantage of the Suite Night Upgrade vouchers and are happy to use your points for hotel room discounts or the Accor Experiences events in London, it can work out well.

The Accor Live Limitless website is here if you want to find out more.

Accor Live Limitless update – April 2024:

Earn bonus Accor points: Accor is not currently running a global promotion

New to Accor Live Limitless?  Read our review of Accor Live Limitless here and our article on points expiry rules here. Our analysis of what Accor Live Limitless points are worth is here.

Want to earn more hotel points?  Click here to see our complete list of promotions from Accor and the other major hotel chains or use the ‘Hotel Offers’ link in the menu bar at the top of the page.

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Comments (25)

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  • Martin says:
    14 Jan14 January 06:41

    Diamond now 10% in Accor points

  • X2000traveller says:
    14 Jan14 January 07:03

    Just for the record, the UK Mercures are a very mixed bunch and some of the Novotels are now well past their prime. Accor has a big investment slope to climb with many of these properties and several shabby experiences mean that a useful rule is to read reviews very carefully before booking. Novotel used to be really good in the UK but that was c15 years ago….

    • daveinitalia says:
      14 Jan14 January 10:30

      Do Accor own their properties or is it like most chains and they’re run by franchisees?

    • Tom says:
      14 Jan14 January 19:13

      Novotels at least have a common style and look. Not many are bad in my view although the Birmingham one is dated and faded.

      Mercures are just a ragbag of mostly older hotels and can be good (Exeter Southgate) or bad (Salisbury, Winchester)

  • Mark says:
    14 Jan14 January 07:26

    ALL works for me largely because Sofitels have the right balance between modern and luxury where, say, a Fairmont comes across a bit more old-fashioned. That said, the Berlin Ku’damm property reflagging and the Hamburg Sofitel being demolished has left me needing new hotels in those cities, which is a shame as I will typically visit Germany pre-Christmas (the Bayerpost in Munich is still excellent, I wasn’t too fussed about the Frankfurt one). I often use up my points at the St. James when staying in London overnight after dinner.

  • Lou says:
    14 Jan14 January 07:38

    One observation I’ve had as a silver. They do tend to upgrade me a lot in the UK. It’s not a perk of that rank, but they still do it

  • Jon Roberts says:
    14 Jan14 January 07:55

    My Sofitel Platinum experience this year in Bali was 2 standard rooms booked room only, both upgraded to swim up pool rooms, lounge access for both all week, free breakfast for both all week (you do get this in Asia/Pacific) in the huge main area not just the lounge.

    • QFFlyer says:
      15 Jan15 January 09:45

      Sofitel Fiji is unique in that all bookings include breakfast, but yes the APAC region does offer free breakfast every day to Platinums. I’ve stayed at Sofitel Fiji a number of times and they tend to be stingy as with upgrades, so you got lucky there.

      Journal Lounge is nice though, and imo much better for the a la carte breakfast than the main buffet. Also has an evening cocktail hour followed by an after dinner digestif hour, which serves cognacs and brandy and whatnot, which is pretty unique!

  • Jon Roberts says:
    14 Jan14 January 08:00

    The suite night upgrades can be sometimes difficult to access so you need to be savvy. Try adding 3 guests for a large suite and you’ll get no results, despite a suite that sleeps up to 4 being available, but DOES show if you only select 2 guests. There are also a lot of properties, and sometimes entire countries, that don’t participate in suite night upgrades.

    • QFFlyer says:
      15 Jan15 January 09:48

      In those cases you just select two people and bring the third with you. I used 2x SNUs at Sofitel Darling Harbour during Vivid Sydney 2022, Prestige Suite for a couple of nights with lounge access and restaurant breakfast made for an incredible weekend. Sure the base stay was still pretty exxy due to the location and time of year, but the Prestige Suite would have cost thousands without the SNUs.

  • Grumpy Chicken 81 says:
    14 Jan14 January 09:03

    To be honest I quite like the fixed value element of the Accor programme. You know what you are going to get and you get it, and you have total flexibility on when and where to use your vouchers. It’s all very well saying there aren’t the opportunities to get a very cheap night in a super luxury property, but to be honest how many of us have the time do do the research and make the dates match up with our lives in any case? For me arbitrage is more of a theoretical than a real world benefit. What also has to be taken into account is that Accor properties are usually among the cheaper of the major chains in the first place.

  • Tariq says:
    14 Jan14 January 09:50

    You missed the uncompetitive points expiry rules and the ridiculousness of stays only counting for promotions if booked after activating the promotion.

    • RussellH says:
      14 Jan14 January 11:06

      Expiry is very easy to avoid. Sign up for Club Opinions and just complete one survey every couple of months – do it regularly so that you do not forget – and you are sorted for another year.

    • B Murphy-Ryan says:
      15 Jan15 January 09:37

      +1 on this – we probably stay at least once a year at sofitel LHR but not great at expiry reminders, so we often lose the points we had. Equally, where have stayed a couple of times at end of the year they tend to be slow at applying points, so your old points are wiped and new ones added late – but they don’t auto resurrect the old points. Have to then raise a request to recredit, which should happen automatically. 12 month expiry is poor compared to all other hotel schemes – although odd AF/KLM credit helps or opinions/surveys, but still makes it the least valuable scheme IMHO.

      • Rob says:
        15 Jan15 January 10:11

        We do mention expiry rules and these aren’t an issue now if you’re on the ball. Buy something via the shopping portal or book a taxi or Bolt via the Accor app. Job done. I suspect transfers of Avios into ALL also extend your points.

        AwardWallet tracks your expiry date if you have that and will email you of upcoming points expiry.

        We also mention the complex rules on promotions (in Part 1).

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