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Shai Weiss on Virgin Atlantic’s future: Upper Class, Clubhouses, Heathrow and more

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Last week I interviewed Virgin Atlantic CEO Shai Weiss about the future of the airline.

Yesterday, I published an article looking at why I think Virgin is about to announce a new aircraft order at Farnborough.

In this article, I want to look at the future of the customer experience, from the Clubhouse at Heathrow to new routes.

The future of Virgin Atlantic

The future of …. Upper Class

Virgin Atlantic currently flies three different Upper Class seats:

Whilst innovative at the time, the 2003-era seat is very dated and lacks features more modern seats have, such as high levels of privacy and in-seat storage. At 6’2 with wide shoulders, I also find it quite narrow and short.

“It was one of the first true flatbeds flying. Some people love this herringbone. I personally do, but I understand that some people want more privacy.”

Whilst the A330s with the old seat are slowly being phased out with the arrival of the new A330neos, a decision on the Boeing 787s will depend on whether Virgin Atlantic decides to renew their lease or not.

“If we made a decision to retrofit the 787s, it would probably be in the configuration of the A330-900neo. You can see where our mind is with the A330neo and that’s the standard of the cabin we want to offer. It’s one of the best in the sky, definitely crossing the Atlantic.”

With no firm announcement made on the replacement or retrofit of the Boeing 787 fleet, it sounds like we are still years away from a wider rollout. At that point, the 2003 seat will have been flying for over 25 years.

The future of Virgin Atlantic

The future of …. the onboard bar

In a recent Sunday Times article Sir Richard Branson described the replacement of the onboard bar with the Loft social space as “a dreadful mistake. We’ll be bringing back the bar as soon as we possibly can.”

Unfortunately for Richard, it doesn’t look like the social spaces are going anywhere. Shai said:

“You know, we have a bar on the 787s and we have social spaces on the A330neos and A350s, and that tells us where we’re going. You can’t just change direction mid-course. The stream of planes coming in is of that nature. We like the bar, of course, but there are always trade-offs. The bottom line is that all our planes come with bars and social spaces.”

The future of Virgin Atlantic

The future of …. Clubhouse lounges

Virgin Atlantic currently operates six Clubhouses around the world, with the vast majority in the United States:

Virgin is currently in the process of assessing its Clubhouse portfolio. One casualty has been the Manchester Clubhouse which was announced in 2019 but delayed due to covid and now cancelled.

“For the level of activity there, we just couldn’t justify level of investment for a Clubhouse. It was a commercial decision.”

The Heathrow Clubhouse is now increasingly busy as Virgin Atlantic rebuilds its network. The spa and hair salon were dropped during covid and replaced with Peloton bikes for a short while, but haven’t returned.

During a press conference in Las Vegas last week, fitness fanatic Sir Richard Branson suggested that he would like to make better use of the outdoor terrace in the Heathrow Clubhouse and turn it into an outdoor gym. I think he may have forgotten the UK climate – this isn’t the British Virgin Islands!

The future of …. Virgin Atlantic at Heathrow Terminal 3

Whilst Shai has said he has a very good working relationship with Heathrow airport, there remain points of contention.

“We are in a terminal that needs some attention, Terminal 3, and we’re going to be there for a few years, that’s for sure. So I’d like to see a rapid expansion of the new security lanes, continued operational excellence and overall customer satisfaction creeping up.”

And long term?

“Support for a new home for Virgin Atlantic to be delivered by the end of the decade in Terminal 2.”

Is that even possible?

“It is possible. It’s already in the plan anyway, right? Not all of Terminal 2, the core Terminal 2.”

As Shai notes, Terminal 2 was always designed to be extended. A 2012-era Heathrow press release said:

“The second phase would extend the main Terminal 2 building northwards onto the existing Terminal 1 site. This phase, which would also include the construction of a second satellite building, T2C, would increase the capacity of Terminal 2 from 20 million passengers a year to 30 million passengers a year.”

A 2019 document said that an additional satellite, T2D, could increase passenger numbers to 52 million per year.

Work is moving in the right direction, with construction of a new baggage handling system underground between T2 and its satellite so that Terminal 1, where the existing system is, can be knocked down. This is due to be a six year project so Shai may have his work cut out if he wants a new terminal by 2030.

Pre-pandemic, Virgin Atlantic carried almost 6m passengers both in and out of Heathrow. A 10-million passenger capacity increase at T2 would allow Virgin and its SkyTeam partners to co-locate in a single, modern terminal building – “a home fitting for a flag carrier.”

The future of Virgin Atlantic

The future of …. new routes

During the 40th birthday celebrations, Shai and Richard announced the resumption of flights to Toronto – the third time Virgin Atlantic has attempted that route.

But there’s more to come. I’m told there are more new routes to be announced, although the only one we know of so far is to Seoul. This is part of a deal with the UK Competition and Markets Authority to approve the Korean Air-Asiana merger.

I asked Shai if he was confident the route would launch:

“We don’t control that …. we are a recipient of that decision. I think the last regulator to approve the merger between Asiana and Korean Air is the United States. As soon as that happens, we receive the remedy slots. It’s not paying us, but we get the slots at Heathrow and Seoul. It happens to be that they are also a SkyTeam partner. So I would hope that their merger goes through so we can announce the commencement of operations, but it’s not in our control.”

Flights to Korea would add much-needed capacity into East Asia, with Virgin Atlantic currently only flying to Shanghai. Hong Kong was dropped a few years ago.

The future of Virgin Atlantic

The future of …. Flying Club

Read the comments on any Virgin Points redemption article on Head for Points and the issue of sky-high taxes and fees soon rears its head. On some routes, it is now £900+ return in Upper Class.

British Airways, meanwhile, has introduced Reward Flight Saver. This caps surcharges on business class redemptions at £350 return on the majority of long haul routes, albeit with substantially more Avios required.

(Reward Flight Saver isn’t necessarily wonderful, of course. Far more Avios are required than before if you want to book the ‘low charges’ option. It IS good value if you are using a British Airways American Express 2-4-1 companion voucher, because if you are getting ‘2-4-1’ on the inflated Avios element. If you are not using a voucher then one of the ‘fewer Avios, more cash’ options may be a better deal.)

Will Virgin Atlantic introduce anything similar?

“We’ve been on a very nice journey right, where there was limited availability to Flying Club. We then went to guaranteed availability, 12 seats on every plane. And I think we have a few ideas to make that even more exciting. There’s a bunch of stuff coming out, starting very soon.”

The first announcement will be made in the coming weeks, but I am told several positive changes are in the works.


How to earn Virgin Points from UK credit cards

How to earn Virgin Points from UK credit cards (April 2025)

As a reminder, there are various ways of earning Virgin Points from UK credit cards.  Many cards also have generous sign-up bonuses.

You can choose from two official Virgin Atlantic credit cards (apply here, the Reward+ card has a bonus of 18,000 Virgin Points and the free card has a bonus of 3,000 Virgin Points):

Virgin Atlantic Reward+ Mastercard

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Virgin Atlantic Reward Mastercard

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You can also earn Virgin Points from various American Express cards – and these have sign-up bonuses too.

American Express Preferred Rewards Gold is FREE for a year and comes with 20,000 Membership Rewards points, which convert into 20,000 Virgin Points.

American Express Preferred Rewards Gold

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The Platinum Card from American Express comes with 50,000 Membership Rewards points, which convert into 50,000 Virgin Points.

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Click here to read our detailed summary of all UK credit cards which earn Virgin Points

Comments (150)

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  • David S says:

    We need a HFP competition. Rob to suggest the top ten improvements that Virgin could make and readers to rank them. That way Shai would know what matters most, i. e. What’s vitally important versus a just nice to have. My most important request would be to find availability to somewhere I want to fly in UC

    • Rob says:

      But VS has guaranteed UC availability now and the demand is far lower than on BA. Book a year ahead and you can do what you like.

    • Russell G says:

      You don’t need a competition, just read through these comments or he could just go round the clubhouse and chat with people. I can only assume they’re either struggling with execution of ideas or just struggling to keep the airline running and hence have little time for change / improvement.

      • Rhys says:

        The priority is to get the airline to a financially stable position. Would’ve happened by now had covid not happened – they took on a huge amount of debt.

        • memesweeper says:

          ^^^ this ^^^

          I’d love a better seat now and a reduced redemption fee structure and an even more wonderful clubhouse but the man has to make the airline *profitable* … this unsexy stuff will be keeping him busy!

    • BA Flyer IHG Stayer says:

      But your ‘must have’ is someone elses ‘nice to have’ and vice versa.

      And the HfP (and flyer talk for that matter) audience is not necessarily representative of all VS passengers so you’d get a very skewed list of improvements.

      Someone posted downthread that they would like revivals to open later but in the scheme of things only a minute number of passengers would benefit from that and the money that would cost could be spent on something that helps far more passengers.

      • JohnF says:

        I was the poster re Revivals. That lounge is available to every UC passenger on an overnight flight which in general would be flights from USA Caribbean and South Africa to my knowledge. Hardly a minute number of UC passengers and the cost of running it is, or should be, built in to the cost of an UC seat in the same way the lounge and UC wing at LHR is. You can see I am a fan of the RL !!!

  • Russell G says:

    Can I also say that as a fitness fanatic (I love the gym and I’m normally there 5 days a week) and as someone who spends far too much time in airport lounges, I would never use a gym in an airport lounge. The main issues are lounge drinking and gyming don’t mix, what to do with sweaty smelly gym clothes, half the time you’re jetlagged and worse for wear and tiny gym spaces are nigh on pointless. Here are a list of alternative better uses for that space:

    – Kids playground
    – Garden
    – Summer Bar / Brasserie Terrace
    – Expanded lounge space

    Whatever, it needs to be useful in good weather and bad, so maybe look at what restaurants in NYC do with their outdoor space or how high end hotels use their outdoor space.

    • Norsksaint says:

      SAS used to have a gym in OSL and was really disappointed when the removed it post pandemic for more seating – now I hardly use the lounge due to overcrowding.

      It was a good way to spend some time between domestic and international flights or vv. That said it was rarely that busy and as others acknowledge you need a good amount of time to cool down and stop sweating before a shower, change and then the next flight.

      I can surmise SAS found it a inefficient use of space unfortunately.

  • JohnF says:

    One Upper Class benefit Shai could look at is the Revivals Lounge at Heathrow. A great benefit at the end of an overnight flight. BUT, it closes at 12.30 despite some overnight flights not arriving until around noon!!
    A simple change would be to change the hours of opening to coincide with the arrival times scheduled for overnight flights.

  • PeteM says:

    I flew VS for the first time in May to JFK and was very impressed – if I flew to the US more regularly, I would struggle to choose BA or the other carriers over Virgin.

    The Clubhouses wipe the floor with the Galleries First and regular Galleries. I went out on the A330neo which I thought was excellent and back on the A350, which was fine. They did cancel my return and tried to dump me on an old A330 at the end of the day, but was easy enough to rebook and get my EU261 compo too (which arrived within two weeks).

    The pre-order food was excellent, I was happy with the drinks choices and every member of staff I came across was brilliant and going out of their way to make my experience excellent.

    In fact I’ve taken out the Virgin card again to get another voucher as booking W during a sale and applying the voucher to go in J was good value IMHO.

    BA and Oneworld will still get most of my business because of their route network, but VS definitely got a new customer after my experience.

    • Blair Waldorf Salad says:

      I felt same after a March rtn to JFK, A350 out, A330neo back. Overall felt a lot more premium incl. both departure and arrival lounge.

  • Henry Young says:

    It’s a shame they closed the HKG route. That was quite a hub they were connecting into – very useful and usually good value redemptions.

  • Opus says:

    Honestly with QR/BA alliance with BA handling all my North America travels and I shuffle Africa through QR which is great because I’m able to get the 140×4 tier points on a LHR-DOH-LOS return for example and cheaper in some instances. And for many others I feel like with QR/BA you can get pretty much anywhere and the BA exec club I think is the least money grabbing scheme of the alliances. I don’t see what benefit virgin brings (to me). I don’t really see their USP, their route network sucks, their cabin products are middle of the road and their alliance has the worst airlines. And I’m sure there are many with this same problem.

    One day they’re somewhere, in 6 months it’s gone. I can’t think of many boutique airlines like virgin that have lasted.

    If it can turn a profit in an environment like this, then that’s concerning. Even Thai and CX that were on the brink have turned profits. Hell, even Air Asia X is profitable now.

    Given they’re largely not really competing on most routes with BA, they’re hardly doing any job at keeping BA pricing honest, other airlines are doing that.

    • Rizz says:

      Well said. Fully agree.

      • Guernsey Globetrotter says:

        Well I’m with PeteM in that the VS USP is the staff. Over 4 UC return trips in the last 2 years to West Coast US and Caribbean the Virgin crews have been exemplary. All those trips have been on old 787 ‘coffin’ seats but provided you choose aisle 1 (so you’re not staring at the row opposite) we find them alright. Compared to some of the grumpy crew I’ve had to endure on BA flights during the same period, Virgin win in the most important element – the human dimension!

        • GAC says:

          Since covid I have taken 8 x UC leisure returns (we are retired).

          Outbound had always been an absolute pleasure with the crew but I have to say that we have not once had even ‘good’ service on the return leg. A couple of the returns have been awful service.

          It’s beyond a coincidence, as far as I’m concerned. Perhaps shai can look at what happens to cause this. Not worth £7-8k of our hard earned money each time.

          • ZW says:

            Totally agree. I took more than 10 return flights on VS since covid. All the ex Heathrow flights were enjoyable with friendly crew, but the service mostly my inbound flights were terrible, with depressing flight attendants and poor quality food. On the flight I took last week, the upper class ‘bar’ had no still water, the toilets were absolutely disgusting throughout the entire flight, and they didn’t seem to care.

          • GM says:

            Have had some outstanding individuals on return in UC…but also some who were less than fantastic e.g. not served my dessert, not offered even coffee for breakfast when I didn’t order food, some poor food etc. And most recently a downright rude janitor in the JFK Clubhouse. Yikes. But most are still lovely, of course.

        • JohnF says:

          Absolutely agree regarding the crew and it extends to everyone I have spoken to in Customer Service.

        • hampshirehog says:

          return legs possibly impacted by hangovers on stopover?

  • Charlieface says:

    What I don’t understand is why they pulled back from Manchester. There’s so much scope there compared to LHR:
    Mostly unconstrained slots, given it has two runways.
    Plenty terminal capacity now T2 is being rebuilt.
    No incumbent hub airline to compete with.
    Better land connections with the entire north half of the UK, and a good chunk of the south.
    100 miles nearer to the USA on a GC route.

  • Neil says:

    Do Virgin have any plans to return to Tobago once the new airport there is opened?

    • JohnF says:

      That would be good – I haven’t been there for some 15 years.

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