Can we arbitrage an ‘Aer Lingus Gold Circle miles to Avios’ conversion?

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• Jason says:

  4 Mar4 March 08:49

  I need to book a United flight, for October, is it better to wait?

  • Brian says:

    4 Mar4 March 10:57

    Why wait to book? You can always add a frequent flyer number later, surely…

  • Rob says:

    4 Mar4 March 13:16

    I wouldn’t base buying a flight on whether or not you’ll get some Gold Circle miles for it! Best prices for October probably not available until July-ish I reckon. Still too early for the airlines to know how full (or not) they will be.

    • Jason says:

      4 Mar4 March 16:15

      Thanks Raffles,
      Would that include the last Saturday in October, which is the end of half term?

      • Rob says:

        4 Mar4 March 17:08

        That is a particularly peak day, I admit. If you think the price currently on offer is fair, then book it if the date is important (which in this case it is).

• Dylan Tucker says:

  4 Mar4 March 09:32

  Will this affect booking flights from Ireland to the USA with avios as per your university articles? I was hoping to do this soon.

  • Rob says:

    4 Mar4 March 17:11

    It would if BA bought Aer Lingus, yes. (Although it would take at least 6 months for the takeover to complete.)

    BA has already stated that Aer Lingus flights to the USA would be brought into its ‘joint venture’ (ie price fixing) arrangement with American, Finnair and Iberia. This would mean that BA would start adding fuel surcharges to Aer Lingus redemptions.

    We are a long way from the day at the moment, though.

• John says:

  4 Mar4 March 09:51

  Think you’re wrong about the politics. The current Irish government is a coalition between Fine Gael (conservatives) and its minority partner Labour (also pretty conservative, but trade union funded).

  FG would have happily done the deal already, but Labour takes its lead from the unions, who were initially broadly opposed but are now split.

  The reason for this is that the deal isn’t about Heathrow slots. If Walsh was really desperate for additional longhaul slots at LHR, he could reallocate BA’s existing DUB-LHR (or indeed BHD-LHR, GLA-LHR etc) slots tomorrow, without having to pay a billion pounds for EI, or tussle with politicians.

  The DUB-LHR routes are profitable for both BA and EI, and aren’t under threat whether the merger goes ahead or not. I imagine the reason he’s reluctant to give a cast iron guarantee is that he doesn’t want to set a precedent for other deals. Something will be worked out though.

  The real issue here is the transatlantic expansion. Walsh has promised to further increase the number of passengers from non-London UK (via BA, and Eddie Stobbart) and continental cities (via BA, EI) using Dublin to get to the US and Canada.

  Extra aircraft are promised for Dublin, with knock on increases in engineering, cabin crew, catering etc jobs. There will however be losses in admin, with work transferring from EI HQ at DUB to Waterside.

  Unions representing the latter categories tend to support the deal, the former generally oppose it. On Friday the politicians are going to try and pin Walsh down on the medium term numbers etc (probably low hundred admin job losses, outweighed by mid-hundred new posts, plus additional job increases at DUB airport handling, security, retail etc).

  This (pretty sensible, I think) deal should therefore eventually go through, and I wonder if privately IAG’s management haven’t given up on planning permission for Heathrow expansion altogether, and instead will now orientate T5 towards eastern destinations, whilst using Madrid and Dublin to expand west.

  As previously suggested, there’s now quite a gap between EI’s excellent, reasonably priced new business product (singe seats, wifi, new aircraft) and BA’s often tired club world.

  Wouldn’t worry about Gold Circle, they’ll make sure arbitrage will be marginal. But anyone planning transatlantic trips with avios via Dublin should lock in the existing redemption rates whilst they can (eg EI’s fab business deal to BOS etc rises with BAEC changes next month).

  If/when the deal does go through and IAG starts pushing more and more people from UK/continent through DUB to the US, they’ll have to make sure the Americans can cope with the increased numbers going through immig/customs pre-clear.

  This is a huge positive flying from DUB/Shannon, and it would be a shame to see expansion erode such a useful and user-friendly service.

  • John says:

    4 Mar4 March 09:57

    And of course the above should read

    “Unions representing the former categories tend to support the deal, the latter generally oppose it”

  • The_Real_A says:

    4 Mar4 March 10:00

    Nice Summary.

• John says:

  4 Mar4 March 09:55

  Actually, I’m not sure why we’re worrying about the atlantic, when the greatest travel competition in history is now running:

  http://www.visitscotland.com/win/brilliantislandmoments15/

  Go CalMac!

• rotundo says:

  4 Mar4 March 10:28

  I have a flight booked with United but unfortunately I put in my Miles & More number at the time of booking, and united.com doesn’t let me change it. Anyone knows how to change it to a Gold Circle number? For oneworld this kind of manipulation can be done via the Finnair website, hopefully there’s something similar for Aer Lingus.

  • Kai says:

    4 Mar4 March 11:21

    You can always ask at the check-in counter.

  • JQ says:

    4 Mar4 March 12:49

    M&M numbers tend to “stick” to bookings so you may not have much luck

• Flight Risk says:

  4 Mar4 March 10:58

  I’m flying on a Business Class redemption Manchester – Hong Kong next week do I get access to any business lounges as I am flying business class even thought it’s a redemption? or that just wishful thinking?

  • JQ says:

    4 Mar4 March 12:51

    You paid for the ticket with miles, lounges are part of the product, why would you not get access?

    • Flight Risk says:

      4 Mar4 March 16:42

      I don’t know, this is my first ever redemption, and its a business class redemption, I wasn’t sure if I would get lounge access as well

      • Alan says:

        4 Mar4 March 21:07

        Enjoy your first redemption! Yes in general you get all the benefits of the class that you have bought, whether that be by cash or miles. The only main exception to this is free limo transfers, for those airlines that offer them as part of the package they often restrict them to cash fares.

• danksy says:

  4 Mar4 March 14:24

  I’ve booked a couple of (short haul) flights with Aer Lingus and have paid cash for fully flexible tickets… it’ll be interesting to see if my BAEC account gets credited with Avios or TP’s !

  They were flexible fairs eligible for golden circle, but didn’t think it was worth joining up as I’m unlikely to fly AL again for a while!

  • John says:

    5 Mar5 March 00:31

    If you give your BAEC number you’ll get avios but not tier points, click on aer lingus earning on the ba site for details.

• Jack says:

  4 Mar4 March 14:40

  For anyone who’s considering crediting flights to air Lingus gold circle id strongly advise against. It’s hands down the worst loyalty scheme I’m a member of.

  Your technically only an applicant until you earn 2,400 points in a 12 month period. Unless your flying on a high fare, which most people don’t since there’s no real benefit to doing so, you won’t earn any points. Even if you do you’ll probably end up having to hound them to add the points to your account.

  If you do manage to make it to gold level, your benefits will be an extra item of hand luggage, fast track at Dublin airport (which isn’t that much faster) and access to a below average lounge.

  And if you want to use your points to upgrade a flight or redeem for a free one you can forget it. Do your self a favor and credit to BA for the tier points

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