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Curve – the radical new payment card that lets you use Amex ANYWHERE

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(EDIT:  Curve has changed a lot since this article was published.  Please do not rely on the information here.  Instead, please click here to read our detailed 2020 Curve review, which includes a link for a free £10 credit when you sign up.)

The Curve card, launched yesterday into public beta, is a radical new sort of payment card.  It takes some of the best features of Supercard (which has still not launched publicly) and adds a few new twists which are bound to appeal to the Head for Points loyalty credit card readership.

Most relevant for our market, it allows you to pay for anything where a Mastercard is accepted and have it recharged – as a purchase – to an American Express card.

Even cash withdrawals are recharged, as a purchase, to your Amex.  I have been testing the card for a few days and I can confirm that this works perfectly.

Let me repeat this bit – you can buy something using the Curve card at a retailer which only accepts Mastercard, or even make a cash withdrawal at an ATM, and it will be re-charged to your American Express card (or a Visa or Mastercard) as a purchase.  It will earn miles, points or cashback and count towards any sign-up bonus.  It also works abroad, even on overseas cash withdrawals.

You must have an iOS smartphone to join up.  Android will follow later in the year but, for now, you will be missing out – sorry.  An iPad would also work – the only purpose of the app is to load up details of your other credit and charge cards and to check your transactions.

Curve is required to target the small business market rather than the personal market, although their description of “bliss for entrepreneurs, freelancers and small business owners” is a very broad one.

This is how it works:

You pay a £35 one-off fee and receive a rather snazzy Mastercard in the post

This is offset by a £10 sign-up credit if you use my refer a friend link

You download the Curve card app to your iOS device

You link as many other Visa, Mastercard and American Express cards as you wish to the app

You select which card you want to use for your next transaction

You can then use your Curve card in shops or in cash machines.  The transaction shows in the app and is recharged to your underlying card as a purchase.

Last Friday, for example, I withdrew some Euros from an ATM at Frankfurt Airport using my Curve card.  The transaction is already showing, as a purchase with Avios earned, on my BA Amex statement.

Can I use the card everywhere?

Not quite.

Curve cannot be used for “gambling transactions, dating / escort services, massage parlours, automated fuel pumps and direct marketing – inbound telesales”.

You are limited to transactions which can be processed using a prepaid Mastercard.  I tried to pay my Amex bill with it, as a test, and it failed.

It is not clear what happens if you use the card as security at a hotel or for car hire rental, as a prepaid Mastercard is normally blocked in those circumstances.

I am assuming that it does work OK as a debit card (and thus, for example, avoiding the £5 British Airways credit card fee) but I haven’t tested it yet.

What about Section 75 refund protection?

To quote from their website:

Similarly to PayPal [….] 3rd party purchases, using Curve is not a direct purchase from the user’s original card, so the purchases are not covered by Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act.

However Curve users are protected by Mastercard chargeback rights where refunds can be provided if goods are damaged, not as described, or the merchant has ceased trading.

What are the fees?

The Curve card is not entirely free, but you may find that you can avoid their fees depending on how you use your card.

Purchases made in the UK – FREE.  Remember that Curve means that you can effectively use American Express EVERYWHERE that a prepaid Mastercard would be accepted.

Purchases made outside the UK – 1% fee.  This compares with the standard 3% fee on 99% of UK credit and debit cards.

Cash machine withdrawals in the UK – FREE.  Yes, you can withdraw cash from a UK ATM and will appear on your Amex or Mastercard as a purchase, earning you miles and points and counting towards any sign-up spend target

Cash machine withdrawals outside the UK – £2 fee plus 1% FX fee.  If the ATM itself charges a fee, as often happens in the USA and some other countries, this will obviously be added on.

How does this compare to using a card with no FX fees?

In terms of making purchases abroad, you will – purely in terms of £ charged to your card – still get a better deal with the Post Office Platinum Money (free, review) or Lloyds Avios Rewards (£24, review) cards.  This is because Curve adds a 1% FX fee which those two cards have no FX fee at all.

However, if you want to put your spending onto a card other than the Post Office or Lloyds Avios then it is a no-brainer to use Curve abroad.  For working towards your BA Amex 2-4-1, for example, you will save 2% on every overseas transaction when you use Curve instead of paying directly with the BA Amex.

You also need to remember that Amex acceptance is rare in many European holiday areas and Curve is the only route to generate Amex spend from these transactions.

Overseas cash withdrawals will be a better deal on Curve because the withdrawal will be treated as a purchase and thus earn miles.  You will also avoid the cash advance fee and daily interest levied by Lloyds or the Post Office.  Halifax Clarity has no cash advance fees abroad but still charges daily interest.

Should I use the Curve card for all of my UK ATM withdrawals?

Absolutely.  Withdraw £100 in cash using Curve and it will go through your American Express or other linked card as a £100 purchase.  This will earn you, on a BA Amex, Avios points plus count towards your BA 2-4-1.

Note that ‘fair usage restrictions apply’.  I suspect that anyone withdrawing more than a couple of hundred pounds a week may find their card blocked.

How does Curve make money?

As the card is aimed at business users, the Curve card is not impacted by the EU cap on interchange fees.  There are also plans to offer additional services to users in the future.

What is the difference between the £35 and £75 Curve cards?

They seem to have screwed this up, to be honest.  There are two versions of the Curve card, a blue one and a black one.  The only difference is that the black one, which costs £40 more (a one-off fee, not annual) will apparently earn double rewards in the Curve loyalty programme.  As that programme has not yet been launched, however, it is impossible to know if you’d get £40 of value from it!

In terms of what the card does and the fees you pay to use it, both are identical.  The £35 version should do the job.

As a temporary offer, you will receive a free Tumi leather card case, worth £60, when applying for the £75 version.

Remember that you get £10 back as a credit when you sign up via my link, or any other refer a friend link.

Who is behind Curve?

The company is an independent start-up, but primarily funded by the backers of TransferWise.

What have I learned from the beta?

As I mentioned, I have had the card for the past few days and have been trying it out.

My biggest issue is that the app does not show the original foreign currency value of overseas transactions.  All you see is the £ equivalent.  I am told that this will be added to the next release but it seems to be a major oversight.

There is also an issue with how American Express transactions appear on your card statement.  Mastercard and Visa purchases made using Curve, as with Supercard, show on your statements using part of the original descriptor so you can still identify what a particular payment was for.

Amex transactions simply show on your statement as ‘Curve London’.  To work out what each transaction represents, you need to open the Curve card app – which shows the original description, eg WH Smith Heathrow – and manually match up transaction values.

I should make clear that every transaction (purchase and ATM withdrawal) I have used it for over the last 5 days in the UK, Germany and Austria has gone through without a problem.

How do I join Curve?

You can sign up here.  This link includes my referral code so you receive £10 credit.

(If you decide to sign up via the app, please add my referral code when prompted of oqb4J)

Remember that the card is aimed at “entrepreneurs, freelancers and small business owners” and you will be asked to say that you fall into one of these boxes.

Only 10,000 applications are being accepted at this stage – I suspect the HfP community will account for a fair % of these.  You will not receive your card until April.

Remember that you must have an iOS smartphone or an iPad to take part and that there is a £35 one-off fee.

Curve is still in beta mode for the next few weeks and, as I mentioned above, the app is still missing some of the functionality which it advertises.  This is a very interesting product however and I’m sure those HfP readers who qualify to get one can see the value in getting one when it comes to maximising their miles and points.

The application page is here.  If you use the app to apply instead of a desktop, please add my referral code of oqb4J.

Thanks to my resident credit card expert Andrew Seftel (@andrewseftel) for his help with this article.  The Curve card links in this article include my refer-a-friend code, which means that you will receive a £10 sign-up credit.

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Comments (397)

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  • flibbly says:

    Hmmm. I think I’ll stick to my supercard.

    Its very rare for me to want to use an Amex but be unable to, so that benefit over the supercard is worth very little to me. Paying £35 up front and 1% FX charge just to be able to use it in UK ATMs doesn’t seem like a good deal to me.

  • Metatone says:

    This rather confirms my suspicion that the “interchange fee” regulation is a mess. If commercial cards (e.g. my business VISA issued by my bank) have different interchange fees, then retailers are even more unlikely to cut prices after consumer card interchange fees are cut. The main function would appear to be to lock out competitors like Amex. Amex may well see Curve as a handy way to fight back…

    • nick says:

      The EU regs are not designed to drive down prices for consumers. They are there to prevent the schemes charging artificially high interchange. Implementation has been a bit of a mess as last year, large merchants effectively had the option of opting in to the lower rates for some transactions by picking a foreign acquiring bank, but by hook or by crook it will achieve it’s aim. Amex controls the fees it charges in a way that other credit card issuers cannot- it is not being frozen out. I imagine that the number of consumers switching to curve will be insignificant, and if it isn’t I guess merchants will start putting the squeeze on them to ensure that these cards really do get issued to actual business owners.

  • Tilly71 says:

    Still think the atm withdrawl is limited in usage, fair usage policy and amex will stop this quickly. Still a good card to have for general purchases linked to your amex.

    • Rob says:

      Amex won’t stop it. Curve will as they are paying an interchange fee to Amex.

      • David says:

        It is more a question of them paying the ATM fee surely? As they will be paying the interchange fee to Amex on all transactions, it is just that for purchases they will be in receipt of a fee on their own card side, but paying it out for withdrawals.

  • Andrew says:

    “There is also no requirement to use the card only for business expenses.”

    From their T&Cs:
    “By opening a Business Account and accepting the terms as outlined in this Agreement, you attest that you are not establishing the Account for personal, family, or household purposes, and its use by you must be limited to business expenses.”

  • Chris says:

    How long for verification code to arrive via SMS. Mines not arrived after about 15 minutes?

    • Chris says:

      Btw. Tried with a leading 0 on my mobile number and code arrived immediately

    • Mr Cinnamon says:

      Verification code? I signed up online. I have downloaded the app and connected to my Amex. I received an email verification request. I was not expecting nor have I received a SMS.

      • Wicks says:

        Exactly the same here

        • sd83 says:

          Signed up yesterday more in at 8am. Other than the email verification email from Curve, I have recieved no code or further confirmation email or correspondence of any sort…
          Has anyone else?

          • pR says:

            Same for me. I signed up before 8am yesterday, got the email verification but nothing else. Have downloaded the app and can sign in. It does say “card on the way” and I’ve successfully linked a card.

  • Simon E says:

    I have a BAAmexPP with my wife as a supplemental card. My wife has similar with me as supplemental. By managing our card use we get 2 x companion tickets each year. Do we need 2 Curve apps (I.e £75 fee) or just one app & load one fone with all 4 cards?

    • Rob says:

      Amex does not do name verification so you could add your wife’s card, but say that your name is on the card, and it would be OK I think.

    • James says:

      You can only load your own card onto Curve, from what I can make out. You can’t put anyone else’s on for obvious reasons. I’d say it’s only worth getting your O/H a Curve card if she encounters non acceptance of Amex on a frequent basis. For one offs, you can use your card and she can transfer you some money, or whatever.

  • George says:

    Has anyone tried using this card with council tax payments?

    • James says:

      The card won’t be delivered until March. No one has the card.

    • harry says:

      Most people can already pay CT fee-free via PayPoint + Amex. Since nearly all councils accept Visa/ MC, they should accept Curve MC – but many councils add on a % fee for using credit cards (mine charges 1.75%).

      • Alan says:

        RBS (or in England NatWest) rewards worth looking at, Harry – 3% back on lots of bills for £3/month fee. Santander 123 good from an interest perspective but only pays 1% on Council Tax, so I’ve got both 😀

        • harry says:

          £3/ month = £36/ month

          Not sure that makes sense for me since I already get nearly 100% purchases @ 2 MR points on Amex, 1 MR point on Visa (per £1)

          • harry says:

            £36/ year

          • Alan says:

            But on £2,000 Council Tax bill that’s £60 back, £24 after the £3/mo fee – you’ll also get 3% back on mobile phone bills, utility bills, TV service, etc. in addition, which should be worth more than 1 point per £?

          • harry says:

            Any 3% card is going to be excellent value – but how long will the card last?

          • Alan says:

            Agree, but this isn’t a 3% card, it’s a 3% off direct debits – given the competition from Santander I suspect they’ll be around for a while at least (and given it’s a monthly fee if they stop offering 3% you can just close it).

            Just an idea anyway, it certainly changes my thoughts about paying bills by credit card when this is a possibility…

          • BlueHorizonUK says:

            Harry you have said this a few times but when did MBNA ever release a card that gave Amex MR?

  • Federico says:

    I’ve emailed my wife the referral link after signing up. She signed up with the link however neither of us has evidence of successfully sharing the referral fee.
    Does anybody know how this is managed?

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