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Which is better – the Lloyds Avios Rewards upgrade voucher or BA American Express 2-4-1?

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The received wisdom, prior to the 2015 Avios devaluation, was that the British Airways Premium Plus American Express 2-4-1 voucher was the best thing since sliced bread whilst the Lloyds Avios Rewards credit card upgrade voucher left something to be desired.

The 2015 changes to Avios reward pricing meant that the relative value of the two vouchers changed.  It often takes time for long-held opinions to change, even when the underlying facts are now different.  Is the Lloyds Avios Rewards card still second fiddle to the BAPP Amex 241?

In support of the British Airways Premium Plus American Express 2-4-1 voucher ….

Let’s summarise the deal with the BA Amex card. When you spend £10,000 on the Premium Plus BA American Express card, you get a 2-4-1 voucher valid for TWO years on an Avios redemption in ANY class.

The ‘catches’ are that:

you can only use it on a BA flight starting in the UK

you cannot use it on a one-way TO the UK (one-way FROM the UK is fine) and

you pay full taxes on both tickets

The voucher on the free BA card is less attractive.  This article (click) explains why you should NOT try to earn a 2-4-1 voucher on the free British Airways Amex card.

Here is a good point we forget – if you cancel your redemption, you get your voucher back; the voucher is valid for 2 years from the date of issue (you must fly the outbound leg by this date)

Here are some bad points we forget – you need be travelling with someone else to use it; the £10,000 of spend can only be accumulated via American Express which excludes many small retailers and online payment providers for council tax etc

What happened with the 2015 Avios devaluation?

In some ways, the 241 voucher became MORE valuable. As Club World to New York jumped from 80,000 Avios to 120,000 (peak) or 100,000 Avios (off-peak), the voucher is saving you more Avios!

In other ways, the voucher is LESS valuable.  If you can no longer earn enough Avios each year to use it in Club World or First, you may use it for a less attractive redemption (say, World Traveller Plus or Club Europe) where the value you are getting per Avios point is lower.

In general, the BA Amex has NOT got less valuable.  It is simply that the Lloyds card has got more valuable.

In support of the Lloyds Avios Rewards upgrade vouchers ….

Following the scrapping of the Premier card earlier this year, there is now only one version of the Lloyds Avios Rewards card.

It comes with a £24 annual fee and offers you a voucher to upgrade a return reward flight – or two one-way flights – by one class when you spend £7,000.

Let’s be clear about one thing.  It is NOT an ‘upgrade’ voucher, despite the name.  It is a voucher which lets you book a redemption flight for the miles of a cheaper class.  You do NOT need Avios availability in the cheaper class, just in the class you want to fly.

For example, if you want to fly Club World, you do NOT need to find reward space in World Traveller Plus to ‘upgrade’.  You only need reward space in Club World, for which you are charged the World Traveller Plus price.

Here are some good points we forget – spending on BOTH the Amex and the MasterCard cards count towards the vouchers; the Lloyds card have no foreign exchange fees so you can boost your spend on holiday with no worries about being overcharged; the upgrade voucher is great for solo travellers; you only need to spend £7,000 to trigger it

Here are some bad points we forget – the upgrade voucher is LOST if you cancel your reward flight (although you can make date changes); the MasterCard has a very poor earning rate on spend (0.25 Avios per £1); you CANNOT use the upgrade voucher to fly in First Class; the voucher is only valid for ONE year from the date of issue (you must book by this date but can fly later)

What happened with the 2015 Avios devaluation?

With the 2015 changes, the multiplier between flight classes changed:

World Traveller Plus was 1.5x economy, it became 2x economy 

Club World was 2x, it is now 3x

First Class was 3x, it now 4x 

The Lloyds upgrade voucher would previously have saved you 20,000 Avios if travelling to New York in Club World, whilst the BA Amex 241 would have saved you 80,000 Avios.  Remember that Club World was 80,000 Avios and World Traveller Plus was 60,000 Avios. Put crudely, before April 2015 the BA Amex 241 was 4 x better than a Lloyds upgrade voucher.

Today, if travelling to New York in Club World, the Lloyds voucher saves you 40,000 Avios on a peak day and 48,000 Avios on an off-peak day .  The BA Amex 241 voucher will save you 120,000 Avios on a peak day and 100,000 Avios on an off peak day.  This has substantially increased what you can save.  Put crudely, after April 2015 the BA Amex 241 is now only 2-3 x better than a Lloyds upgrade voucher.

Let’s compare a typical redemption

Sticking with our New York Club World redemption, let’s see how five redemption options compare using different credit card reward vouchers:

Two Club World seats, off-peak dates, flights to New York on British Airways:

No credit card – 200,000 Avios required

BA Amex (free version) – no fee, spend £20,000 on the Amex and your cost falls to 100,000 Avios, saving you 100,000 Avios

BA Premium Plus Amex – pay a £195 card fee and spend £10,000 on the Amex and your cost falls to 100,000 Avios – saving you 100,000 Avios

Lloyds Avios Rewards – pay a £24 card fee and spend £7,000 across either the Amex or MasterCard and one person travels for 52,000 Avios (the WTP cost).  The other pays the standard price of 100,000 Avios.  You save 48,000 Avios.

The British Airways Premium Plus option is STILL the best deal for a couple, I think.  It has never made sense for a solo traveller – the best options if you travel alone are in this article.

However, you are restricted to one BA Amex voucher per person per year.  A couple can have a Premium Plus card each, of course, but you are then looking at £20,000 of Amex spend per year to trigger both vouchers – this is not easy.

A more interesting scenario would be to get the Lloyds Avios Rewards card and use it ALONGSIDE your British Airways Premium Plus card.

Here are some good reasons why:

The fee on the Lloyds card is only £24 per year so your sunk cost is low

With no foreign exchange fee, it is a better card to use for your holiday spending than a British Airways Amex with its 3% fee

You can use it for bills such as council tax where you can often use a Visa or MasterCard but not an American Express

Between the second and third points above, triggering the upgrade voucher at £7,000 should not be too difficult.  It should not make a big difference to how long it takes to trigger the voucher on your BAPP Amex if you have close to £7,000 of annual overseas spend or spend at ‘non Amex’ retailers.

In conclusion

Don’t cancel your British Airways Premium Plus American Express.  The 2-4-1 voucher, for a couple, remains the best deal available on ANY loyalty credit or charge card.

The Lloyds Avios Rewards card has a decent claim for being added alongside it.  Whether you should do it depends on how many Avios holidays you book per year, how much money you spend on credit cards per year and whether you would prefer to push MasterCard or Visa spend towards a non-Avios card instead (eg Hilton, IHG – the best MasterCard and Visa cards are in my article here).


Want to earn more points from credit cards? – April 2024 update

If you are looking to apply for a new credit card, here are our top recommendations based on the current sign-up bonuses.

In February 2022, Barclaycard launched two exciting new Barclaycard Avios Mastercard cards with a bonus of up to 25,000 Avios. You can apply here.

You qualify for the bonus on these cards even if you have a British Airways American Express card:

Barclaycard Avios Plus card

Barclaycard Avios Plus Mastercard

Get 25,000 Avios for signing up and an upgrade voucher at £10,000 Read our full review

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Barclaycard Avios Mastercard

5,000 Avios for signing up and an upgrade voucher at £20,000 Read our full review

You can see our full directory of all UK cards which earn airline or hotel points here. Here are the best of the other deals currently available.

British Airways American Express Premium Plus

25,000 Avios and the famous annual 2-4-1 voucher Read our full review

American Express Preferred Rewards Gold

Your best beginner’s card – 20,000 points, FREE for a year & four airport lounge passes Read our full review

The Platinum Card from American Express

40,000 bonus points and a huge range of valuable benefits – for a fee Read our full review

Virgin Atlantic Reward+ Mastercard

15,000 bonus points and 1.5 points for every £1 you spend Read our full review

Earning miles and points from small business cards

If you are a sole trader or run a small company, you may also want to check out these offers:

British Airways Accelerating Business American Express

30,000 Avios sign-up bonus – plus annual bonuses of up to 30,000 Avios Read our full review

American Express Business Platinum

40,000 points sign-up bonus and an annual £200 Amex Travel credit Read our full review

American Express Business Gold

20,000 points sign-up bonus and FREE for a year Read our full review

Capital on Tap Business Rewards Visa

Huge 30,000 points bonus until 12th May 2024 Read our full review

For a non-American Express option, we also recommend the Barclaycard Select Cashback card for sole traders and small businesses. It is FREE and you receive 1% cashback on your spending.

Barclaycard Select Cashback Business Credit Card

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Comments (196)

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  • Mike says:

    You can also use the Lloyds voucher on BA1/2 as well, though it says LCY departures are not valid

    • Rob says:

      Apparently this is not the case (although you hear different stories). It seems the rule is in reality ‘BA CityFlyer flights are not valid’ which means BA1/2 DO count as they are operated by BA mainline.

      I know someone who has booked this, whether it was a fluke or not is a different question.

      • Genghis says:

        I’ve used a Lloyds voucher on BA CityFlyer, though was booked over the phone as one way…

  • Jack says:

    Does anyone know the most efficient way to ‘churn’ these cards? I imagine the most efficient way is to take out the card, hit the spend target in three months, book a flight with the voucher and then cancel the card? I think I read that one can re-apply six months after cancelling?
    On the same note, are these vouchers available to cardholders every year? i.e If one was to redeem a voucher and hit the spend targets next year, would another voucher be issued?

    • Lev441 says:

      For the BAPP, cancel down the card after hitting the £10k spend. The voucher will stay in your account event after you cancel. You will have got your voucher, bonus points and points for spending. Waiting 6 months enables you to get the bonus (and another voucher!)

  • bill says:

    I downgraded the BAPP to the free card when I switched to Lloyds. The 6 months double avios for using the Amex card meant that the BAPP would have got no use during that period making the 10k spend for the following year even more difficult. Would have gambled it if the £195 admin fee wasn’t so steep

  • Lev441 says:

    Also a benefit of the Lloyds cards is they don’t necessarily need to be used in your name unlike the BAPP cards.

    I used my dads expiring voucher last month!

    • pointsarb says:

      Great tip, didn’t know that. That’s real flexibility right there!

    • bill says:

      Yeah my mate used his to send his parents to Turkey. At the time I insisted it couldn’t be done without him travelling as one of the passengers but he proved me wrong

      • YL says:

        Interesting, were those booking done online?
        I tried to use my Lloyds upgrade voucher (2 x one way) for my parents over the phone and was told it cannot be done. I was actually travelling on the same flight, but Avios team insisted that one of the upgraded seat has to be in my name.

    • Grimz says:

      So how do you manage to book someone else on the voucher?

  • Fiona B says:

    If you cancel a redemption booking and get the 241 voucher reissued – is it reissued with the original expiry date or does it have a ne expiry date?

  • New to this says:

    Hey,

    Stupid question! Does the BA 2-4-1 upgrade both legs, for both passengers, on a return flight ?

    Thanks!

    • New Card says:

      yes

    • Genghis says:

      Yes but the booking must start from the UK (or more precisely the British Islands excluding ROI). Can also be used as one way and for an open jaw (into and out of separate airports, so as long as the distance between the two airports is less than both of the two BA legs).

    • Rob says:

      The BA voucher does not upgrade – you simply get 2 redemptions for the Avios of one. But, yes, it covers a return flight.

  • fbrj says:

    I get the point about redeeming (for a couple) a Lloyds voucher to upgrade 2 x seats on a return to the UK BA flight but does that you assume the outbound flight is always paid in avios anyway (ie a redemption flight) – as one-way cash flights are usually extortionate?

  • RU says:

    OT – Redeeming Avios to Russia

    Hi all,

    I am eyeing up a redemption for the WC next year in June, from London to Russia (city dependent on availability). All my Avios is in my BAEC account.

    My understanding is that I have two options; BA and S7. Is there anything to choose between the two, bar availability? Has anyone redeemed flights on S7 recently? From reading FT it appears that they are only able to be booked over the phone – wondering if this is still the case. If so, how can one find availability for S7 online, as well as the pricing options? Much appreciate any guidance, I’ve only ever redeemed through BA on BA.com so partner redemptions are a bit alien.

    Thanks.

    • Genghis says:

      S7 don’t fly UK to Russia. BA to DME using RFS then onwards with S7 might be an option.

      • RU says:

        They do fly Europe – Russia though which is the expensive part. My issue is that there may be no availability on BA to DME; so perhaps I could to LON-DUS & DUS-DME to get around that.

        Do you have any idea on finding availability/prices on S7 bar phoning up?

        Thanks

        • pauldb says:

          I think I’ve seen S7 flights come up on ba.com before but unsure. Finnair also appear to fly to a few Russian cities, and Finland aren’t going to qualify.

        • Whiskerxx says:

          S7 flights are available to book on the BA website. Unfortunately they haven’t yet released any flights (neither cash or Avios) for dates after March 24th. They intend to release April, May and maybe June sometime in September, on a date not yet determined.
          If you are wanting to use Avios to get to Russia you should check BA availability quickly and book now if you find dates that suit you. The cancellation fee is negligibleif you subsequently change your mind.
          WC inevitably brings inflated prices. There is already evidence of that. E.g Aeroflot on released tickets in their most expensive bucket for seats Moscow to Sochi. The effect of this pushed a normal £84 return flight up to £555. They now appear to have issued an apology about this, mentioned something about refunds and removed flights from sale for that time.

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