Aer Lingus to launch US flights from the UK regional airport that pays it the most money

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• Yorkieflyer says:

  1 Sep1 September 07:57

  I never understood how Shannon attracted sufficient traffic, US incoming tourists?

  • John says:

    1 Sep1 September 13:49

    US forces transit point. Often used by American politicians as well, many press conferences over the years.

  • Tom G says:

    1 Sep1 September 15:45

    I’m from the area, use Shannon all the time and have never been on a flight to the US that had predominantly American passengers. Most people in the midlands and west coast of Ireland have family who emigrated to the US. In my family we’ve used SNN to visit family members for 4 generations. One of my earliest memories is going to SNN to collect my great grand mother who had been to NYC to visit her sons. My mother still uses it to visit my sister. For that matter I go LGW-SNN every second weekend and it’s a plane full of Irish people going home for the weekend, I can’t recall the last time I heard a British accent on board.

    • Polly says:

      2 Sep2 September 20:39

      Agree, all my lot in Galway use it like a transit bus from here and the USA.

• ThinkSquare says:

  1 Sep1 September 08:03

  Having read the Irish Times article, to me this just sounds like EI putting pressure on Shannon for a better deal.

  • Lady London says:

    1 Sep1 September 08:37

    +1. Nuts not to allow Shannon to re-bid and could well be a price-lowering tactic on Shannon.

    Is wanting a multi-million bribe from the receiving locality an Irish thing? over thr years have said Ryanair wants a multi-million subsidy to open anywhere then may or may not (mostly may not) keep the route longerterm

    • Rhys says:

      1 Sep1 September 08:57

      Isn’t it just a capitalism thing? Look how successful Amazon was in the US recently…

      • ChrisC says:

        1 Sep1 September 23:49

        Just in the Amazon thing New York told them ‘no’ when they asked for loads of tax incentives.

        Since then Amazon have leased a lot of office space at Hudson Yards and a 1m sq foot warehouse space in Either Queens or Brooklyn which they are going to redevelop to meet their needs.

        They aren’t getting any tax reliefs for those projects.

    • ChrisC says:

      1 Sep1 September 13:46

      BA is more than willing to do deals with new airports to fly there.

      Either reduction in landing fees or for ‘marketting support’

      Pittsburgh comes to mind where they got $3m over two years

      Maybe EI are just more brazen about asking for them?

      • C says:

        1 Sep1 September 13:57

        Pittsburgh has a history of offering support to airlines to start international routes. E.g., DL was incentivised to start a PIT-CDG route, though sustained it even after the subsidy ended. QR Cargo was similarly incentivized to start a cargo route.

        • ChrisC says:

          1 Sep1 September 14:05

          Oh I have no problems with airports offering subsidies / incentives

          Point I was making in reply to Lady London is that EI may be just more active in asking for them. Others may do their asking in private.

          I also take issue with her describing it as a ‘bribe’ and being an ‘Irish thing’

    • Tom G says:

      1 Sep1 September 15:48

      Cheap shot Lady London. This is the third time in as many weeks that I have heard a cheap dig at the Irish on miles blogs/forums. Not nice.

      • Lady London says:

        1 Sep1 September 18:39

        You really have no sense of humour, do you? and it was a question… not a statement

        • Lady London says:

          1 Sep1 September 18:40

          PS I’m 2/4 Irish heritage myself

        • Polly says:

          2 Sep2 September 20:41

          Well, Cat and I know for sure you love the Irish. It’s the sense of humour slightly lacking there.

  • Rob says:

    1 Sep1 September 08:43

    Not sure. Shannon is a small market compared to Manchester, Birmingham etc.

    • yorkieflyer says:

      1 Sep1 September 22:32

      Which was what drove my question, connections surely are as well served from DUB?

• ADW says:

  1 Sep1 September 08:51

  Bristo; or Birmingham would be good. We’ve used the Stobbart Air Saab 340 connecting flight to DUB then onward to MCO before, still prefer this to LON to be honest even though it’s a bit of a faff with luggage!

• Nick says:

  1 Sep1 September 09:08

  For those questioning Shannon, it’s a history thing… from the days when it was a huge refuelling point, then when that stopped there was a rule saying carriers could only access Dublin if they had SNN too. Obviously that’s now gone too, but there’s a bit of residual affection that includes US visitors and a few business that support(ed) the routes. Clearly those have been dwindling too, such that it appears to be unviable now. As they’ve reduced European routes too they can’t even grab the connecting market now.

  I second the arguments above though that this could be a ploy to see how much SNN is willing to cough up. And find out if any UK airport is serious enough about it. (FWIW, my money is on LPL.)

  If they do leave SNN though it’ll be the end of CBP pre-clearance.

  • Andrew says:

    1 Sep1 September 09:21

    Isn’t Shannon one of those airports that aren’t really needed for day to day flights, but are technically essential national/international infrastructure for airline safety?

    Bit like Prestwick, limited exposure to Fog, and about as far West as you get between here and the States?

  • Stu N says:

    1 Sep1 September 10:21

    The Irish motorway network is a major factor as well. You can now do Limerick and Galway to Dublin in not much over 2 hours – not so long ago, it would be four hours plus on N roads.

• Jimbob says:

  1 Sep1 September 09:22

  I wonder if Welsh Government will put in a bid for their premium international airport, otherwise known as the shed near Barry?

  • Lady London says:

    1 Sep1 September 10:20

    Bristol more likely to fill the planes. I’d switch there except worried about the massive traffic jams Bristol has these days.

• pauldb says:

  1 Sep1 September 09:40

  Wouldn’t they need a post-Brexit waiver from the US, as a non-UK airline wanting to start a new US-UK route?https://news.sky.com/story/amp/us-and-uk-agree-post-brexit-open-skies-deal-11566550
  And I can’t see why the US airlines wouldn’t succesfully lobby against that.

  • Aisak says:

    1 Sep1 September 11:33

    Maybe, the legal framework regarding aviation on EU-wide bilaterals is still unclear. But I doubt any part would cry foul until a new law is passed.
    Several “out-of-the-box” but traditional ideas can be implemented if trouble. You can have DUB-UK-US as a 5th freedom route with a change of gauge in the UK. BA could launch the service with Aer Lingus supplying the wetlease part of it (BA Unions allowing of course)

• Tony says:

  1 Sep1 September 12:51

  Could well see Stansted Airport going for this as large Irish connected population with not much over the hour.

• Chris says:

  1 Sep1 September 18:45

  The seat, when its on ba a321’s is almost flat but manages to be flat on the Lingus?

  • Rob says:

    1 Sep1 September 19:19

    The Aer Lingus planes are brand new with modern seating. Those ex-BMI planes owned by BA are at least 10 years old, when standards were a bit different.

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